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8/12-8/14 Red Sox vs. Rangers Series Thread
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Post by vermontsox1 on Aug 12, 2024 7:43:34 GMT -5
8/12 Red Sox (RHP Brayan Bello, 10-5, 5.16, 111.2 IP, 109K:41BB) vs. Rangers (RHP Tyler Mahle, 0-1, 1.80, 5.0 IP, 2K:1BB) 7:10 pm ET, ESPN/WEEI 8/13 Red Sox (RHP Kutter Crawford, 7-9, 4.11, 131.1 IP, 125K:34BB) vs. Rangers (RHP Jose Urena, 3-7, 3.74, 84.1 IP, 55K:30BB) 7:10 pm ET, NESN/WEEI 8/14 Red Sox (RHP Tanner Houck, 8-8, 3.02, 140.0 IP, 124K:38BB) vs. Rangers (TBD) 6:10 pm ET, NESN/WEEI MLB StandingsRed Sox Hitting StatsRed Sox Pitching StatsMLB ScoreboardMLB TransactionsA note regarding moderating of the gameday threads in 2024: As the disclaimer has always said, in the past, we have been very liberal in moderating the Gameday threads. They're meant to be a lot less formal than other threads on the forum, so to moderate them the same way would be silly. However, we do ask posters to maintain a certain level of decorum in these threads, and we plan on moderating the Gameday threads a little more actively this season. In particular, we ask that posters refrain from being overly repetitive with their posts (if you've made your point, let it go), refrain from monopolizing the discussion (if you are making more than a couple posts in a row, you probably need to slow down a little bit), and of course, follow the Ground Rules ( link). The point is to make these threads worth participating in and fun for all posters, from our long-time fixtures to people just signing up today. -The Management
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Post by asm18 on Aug 12, 2024 7:56:11 GMT -5
This will be Tyler Mahle’s second start since coming back from Tommy John. Last time out was 5 innings, 1 run, 2 k, 1 bb, 5 hits vs Houston. Sounds like two bullpen-ish games the last two for Texas otherwise - Sox faced Urena like 10 days ago to the tune of 7 runs in 4 innings
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Aug 12, 2024 10:15:28 GMT -5
Bury the Astros thread. Rough weekend. LFG!
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Post by seamus on Aug 12, 2024 10:24:26 GMT -5
I couldn't really follow this weekend because of family stuff, so I'm just going to assume the vibes are good and hope for a nice continuation of Bello's overall upward trend.
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Post by asm18 on Aug 12, 2024 11:01:14 GMT -5
Was looking at pitching modeling data by month for the Sox. These are the rankings by month, via Fangraphs.* March/April - 4th Stuff+, 2nd Pitching+ May - 2nd Stuff+, 1st Pitching+ June - 1st Stuff+, 1st Pitching+ July - 6th Stuff+, 2nd Pitching+ August - 6th Stuff+, 5th Pitching+ It’s not a surprise the quality of “stuff” is down of late given fatigue from a number of guys as well as injuries to huge contributors like Slaten. But the Pitch Modeling Super Electric Computer Machine still grades the staff as having effective overall pitch quality. What is the discrepancy here between this supposed quality and giving up 150 runs over the last 21 games? Are they throwing high quality pitches most of the time and then the bad quality ones are getting destroyed? Is the model grading the pitches incorrectly? Or are they really throwing quality “stuff” and teams are just crushing it anyway? Just anecdotally, the Altuve vs Sims at-bat saw Altuve let a fastball go right by him before jumping on Sims’ sweeper for a homer - is the team too predictable with pitch selection? I totally get not being the same pitching staff as from April and May - but how is it currently horrifically bad instead of just kinda bad if the stuff quality is as portrayed *Stuff+ is designed to measure how well a pitch quality compared to the average, while Pitching+ tries to incorporate location and count. (These have been popularized by such folks as the dudes at Driveline - founded by Breslow advisor Kyle Boddy. A primer here: library.fangraphs.com/pitching/stuff-location-and-pitching-primer/)Data here - www.fangraphs.com/leaders/major-league?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=all&season=2024&season1=2024&ind=0&qual=0&team=0%2Cts&sortcol=13&sortdir=default&type=36&month=0
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Post by incandenza on Aug 12, 2024 11:09:33 GMT -5
^That is really interesting and strange. I would love an explanation.
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Post by dirtdog on Aug 12, 2024 13:42:52 GMT -5
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Post by cdj on Aug 12, 2024 14:09:06 GMT -5
2 gamer for Duran
Learn from the mistake. Grow. Onward and upward.
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 12, 2024 14:21:55 GMT -5
Well that's one way for a Quest for 162 Games Played to end
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Post by dirtdog on Aug 12, 2024 14:24:19 GMT -5
This is the last thing this team needed.
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Post by cdj on Aug 12, 2024 14:52:40 GMT -5
Mickey Gasper gets his chance!
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Aug 12, 2024 14:58:23 GMT -5
This is the last thing this team needed. That’s what you get for being a big idiot unfortunately
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Post by cba82 on Aug 12, 2024 14:59:08 GMT -5
Mickey Gasper gets his chance! I don’t get this one.
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 12, 2024 15:00:43 GMT -5
Mickey Gasper gets his chance! I don’t get this one. I mean, he's hitting .401/.515/.664 with 9% strikeouts in 40 AAA games this year. That's worth a cup of coffee.
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Post by ephus on Aug 12, 2024 15:01:41 GMT -5
This is the last thing this team needed. That’s what you get for being a big idiot unfortunately This is really why they should teach young players the art of Ted Williams style profanity. Few still talk about it, but he really took it to legendary status. You call someone a slur and you get suspended, but call them a combiation of a sexually transmitted infection and a symptom and you not only get your point across, you win points for creativity and you keep on playing. The greatest hitter who ever lived.
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Post by entrylevelhitman on Aug 12, 2024 15:06:36 GMT -5
Mickey Gasper gets his chance! I don’t get this one. He's been recalled. Westbrook DFAd, Bernardino to Worcester, Duran suspended, Keller to Worcester, Paxton to IL. Bello activated, Horn up, Shugart up, Gasper up.
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Post by greenmonster on Aug 12, 2024 15:08:54 GMT -5
I'm kinda surprised at the number of people on here that have never said or done something they wished they hadn't. I certainly have and I think most people who are being honest would admit it as well. Duran is owning it and doing whatever he can to move forward in the best possible way.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Aug 12, 2024 15:20:17 GMT -5
I'm kinda surprised at the number of people on here that have never said or done something they wished they hadn't. I certainly have and I think most people who are being honest would admit it as well. Duran is owning it and doing whatever he can to move forward in the best possible way. Oh, people make mistakes. Hoping this a teaching moment for Jarren. If he deals with it with grace, it should further vault him into a leadership status.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Aug 12, 2024 15:20:57 GMT -5
He's been recalled. Westbrook DFAd, Bernardino to Worcester, Duran suspended, Keller to Worcester, Paxton to IL. Bello activated, Horn up, Shugart up, Gasper up. This makes my head hurt
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Post by finaliz3d on Aug 12, 2024 15:21:31 GMT -5
Very intriguing choices, Shugart makes sense, kind of disposable arm that you aren't afraid to DFA if it doesn't work. Gasper is a bit surprising, but he's also raking and there's so many catchers in AAA. I'm just surprised that they brought up a catcher. Very odd choice, but I'm happy to see him get a shot. Also plays first, so , more versatility there.
My assumption is they are doing this so they can throw Wong at other positions beside catcher, while still having another catcher on the bench.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Aug 12, 2024 15:23:23 GMT -5
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Post by asm18 on Aug 12, 2024 15:29:27 GMT -5
Who was Trevor Story’s physical therapist, like a witch doctor?
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Post by notstarboard on Aug 12, 2024 15:30:32 GMT -5
I'm kinda surprised at the number of people on here that have never said or done something they wished they hadn't. I certainly have and I think most people who are being honest would admit it as well. Duran is owning it and doing whatever he can to move forward in the best possible way. Everyone makes mistakes, but to say something like this, especially in that situation, doesn't come across as someone making a single mistake. That word has to be a serious part of his vocabulary for him to instinctively call someone that. In other words, he probably makes this "mistake" all the time. This is just the first time he did so in such a public way.
With that said, I do believe him when he says he's sorry and is using this as an opportunity to educate himself. Hopefully he can grow and be better from this.
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 12, 2024 15:32:47 GMT -5
Man, the league really hates Amed Rosario.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 12, 2024 15:35:09 GMT -5
Why think his solid offensive season would continue though? He's got a .288 xwOBA which is his worst since 2020. And I don't think I can handle more than one guy in the lineup with a sub-4% walk rate (Rosario is actually sub-3%). Not to mention that his SS defense has been every bit as bad as Rafaela's but without the tantalizing upside.
The other thing I was gonna say is that they can just wait until Grissom comes back, but that led me to check how the ol' rehab is going and boy has he been bad in Worcester. .208/.311/.283 in 14 games. Given how things went earlier this season, I would really like to see him actually hit well before they bring him back. Which seems to be the team's attitude too.
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