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8/30-9/1 Red Sox @ Tigers Series Thread
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Post by vermontsox1 on Aug 29, 2024 15:51:27 GMT -5
8/30 Red Sox (RHP Tanner Houck, 8-9, 3.23, 158.2 IP, 137K:44BB) @ Tigers (TBD) 6:40 pm ET, NESN/WEEI 8/31 Red Sox (RHP Nick Pivetta, 5-9, 4.61, 111.1 IP, 135K:27BB) @ Tigers (LHP Tarik Skubal, 15-4, 2.58, 160.1 IP, 193K:33BB) 6:10 pm ET, NESN/WEEI 9/1 Red Sox (TBD) @ Tigers (RHP Ty Madden, 0-0, 1.80, 5.0 IP, 2K:3BB) 1:40 pm ET, NESN/WEEI MLB StandingsRed Sox Hitting StatsRed Sox Pitching StatsMLB ScoreboardMLB TransactionsA note regarding moderating of the gameday threads in 2024: As the disclaimer has always said, in the past, we have been very liberal in moderating the Gameday threads. They're meant to be a lot less formal than other threads on the forum, so to moderate them the same way would be silly. However, we do ask posters to maintain a certain level of decorum in these threads, and we plan on moderating the Gameday threads a little more actively this season. In particular, we ask that posters refrain from being overly repetitive with their posts (if you've made your point, let it go), refrain from monopolizing the discussion (if you are making more than a couple posts in a row, you probably need to slow down a little bit), and of course, follow the Ground Rules ( link). The point is to make these threads worth participating in and fun for all posters, from our long-time fixtures to people just signing up today. -The Management
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Post by Darwin's Curve on Aug 30, 2024 7:55:01 GMT -5
The Sox are 4-6 in their last 10, but remain in the hunt as MIN has gone 2-8 over the same span. They're currently 3.5 games back from MIN for the 3rd WC spot.
Tonight MIN begins a series against the Jays. Gausman for the Jays, Lopez for MIN - both good starters.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 30, 2024 9:19:58 GMT -5
Playoff odds - Fangraphs 18.6, ESPN 21.1. Insignificant differences. Red Sox have to put their heads down and win..win...keep winning.
I feel as good about our pitching staff as I have all season. We have 5 starters that are mostly giving the team a good to excellent chance to win most nights. The pen is as strong as possible as well (though I'd like to see Booser up - maybe Weissert or Winck down). Less Sims and Garcia and with Slaton and Hill really improves things.
My wish is that the offense would stop wasting really good starts. Houck and Crawford and Pivetta have been screwed quite a few times each this year when they pitch and the offense taking surprise nights off.
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Post by gerry on Aug 30, 2024 9:24:28 GMT -5
The Sox are 4-6 in their last 10, but remain in the hunt as MIN has gone 2-8 over the same span. They're currently 3.5 games back from MIN for the 3rd WC spot. Tonight MIN begins a series against the Jays. Gausman for the Jays, Lopez for MIN - both good starters. It doesn’t feel like the Sox are still in it but as we enter September they actually are; which is a lot better than so many anticipated. With all the injuries, and still playing without their starting 2B, SS and a bunch of pitchers, it’s been a season of getting good looks at a promising future core. A lot is riding on this weekend. |
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Post by Smittyw on Aug 30, 2024 9:48:01 GMT -5
I was caught off guard last night by just how close the Tigers have snuck up in the wild card race. Playing .588 ball since the beginning of July.
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Post by asm18 on Aug 30, 2024 10:21:23 GMT -5
I was caught off guard last night by just how close the Tigers have snuck up in the wild card race. Playing .588 ball since the beginning of July. Sort of ironic given that they traded Jack Flaherty away |
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 30, 2024 11:11:50 GMT -5
Tigers have a nice young core getting going with Greene, Keith and Jung. Maybe Torkelson gets good too
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Post by scottysmalls on Aug 30, 2024 11:37:03 GMT -5
Tigers are interesting, but it's helped that their last 7 games were against the White Sox and Angels. Sox should be a tougher challenge for them.
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Post by iakovos11 on Aug 30, 2024 11:46:12 GMT -5
I like away games
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Aug 30, 2024 12:14:43 GMT -5
The Sox are 4-6 in their last 10, but remain in the hunt as MIN has gone 2-8 over the same span. They're currently 3.5 games back from MIN for the 3rd WC spot. Tonight MIN begins a series against the Jays. Gausman for the Jays, Lopez for MIN - both good starters. I'd sure like to have one of those pitchers on the Sox staff next season. Sox/ Tigers Twins/ Jays Mariners/ Angels Lots to follow this weekend ! |
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Post by incandenza on Aug 30, 2024 12:27:07 GMT -5
Tigers are interesting, but it's helped that their last 7 games were against the White Sox and Angels. Sox should be a tougher challenge for them. The AL Central if games against the White Sox didn't count:
Guardians 71-53
Royals 63-59
Twins 60-60
Tigers 59-66
And the Red Sox would be 67-63.
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Post by dcsoxfan15 on Aug 30, 2024 12:46:46 GMT -5
Would like to see Chase Meidroth called up at some, rather than having to watch any more of Mickey Gasper at second base and batting second.
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Post by ematz1423 on Aug 30, 2024 12:50:49 GMT -5
Would like to see Chase Meidroth called up at some, rather than having to watch any more of Mickey Gasper at second base and batting second. Ain't gonna happen, Meidroth doesn't need to be added to the 40 man this offseason. I don't think he's a better option by enough over the likes of grissom or Valdez to make it worth adding him right now. Does make me wonder why they don't just call up Valdez or grissom and send gasper back down though. |
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Aug 30, 2024 12:55:38 GMT -5
Would like to see Chase Meidroth called up at some, rather than having to watch any more of Mickey Gasper at second base and batting second. Ain't gonna happen, Meidroth doesn't need to be added to the 40 man this offseason. I don't think he's a better option by enough over the likes of grissom or Valdez to make it worth adding him right now. Does make me wonder why they don't just call up Valdez or grissom and send gasper back down though. Cora must like the luxury of a 3rd catcher available. Grissom has been hitting better lately. I hope he is brought up this weekend. |
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Post by incandenza on Aug 30, 2024 13:03:21 GMT -5
Ain't gonna happen, Meidroth doesn't need to be added to the 40 man this offseason. I don't think he's a better option by enough over the likes of grissom or Valdez to make it worth adding him right now. Does make me wonder why they don't just call up Valdez or grissom and send gasper back down though. Cora must like the luxury of a 3rd catcher available. Grissom has been hitting better lately. I hope he is brought up this weekend. Has he been? His numbers seem to have improved only in the last four games and that seems to be driven by a .583 BABIP. Only one extra base hit.
I haven't seen him play, though; maybe he's looked better despite the stat line.
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 30, 2024 13:07:48 GMT -5
It is plausible to me that they just think Gasper is better than Valdez.
Gasper is currently rocking a .391 xwOBA to go with his .000 batting average
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Aug 30, 2024 13:10:53 GMT -5
Cora must like the luxury of a 3rd catcher available. Grissom has been hitting better lately. I hope he is brought up this weekend. Has he been? His numbers seem to have improved only in the last four games and that seems to be driven by a .583 BABIP. Only one extra base hit.
I haven't seen him play, though; maybe he's looked better despite the stat line.
Good point and I have not seen him live either. |
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Post by Darwin's Curve on Aug 30, 2024 13:35:08 GMT -5
It is plausible to me that they just think Gasper is better than Valdez. Gasper is currently rocking a .391 xwOBA to go with his .000 batting average It's puzzling to me really. He's always been a 1B/C in his career and had a grand total of 19 career games at 2B before he became our new 2B. I can't imagine he's going to be any good there, but weirder things have happened. I sorta like the bat. As a switch hitter, his last two MiL seasons really favor him hitting from the left side. Against lefties as a RHB, his OPS drops some 250 points. Useless in 2023, but quite good in 2024. Honestly, I don't get him over Valdez or possibly (gulp) Dalbec. His defense can't be better at 2B than those two, and he's not really the answer to handedness. Thusfar, it's been a Dalbecian transition in terms of results. (He looks far less lost than Dalbec did in the majors though.) I also can't figure out what they're doing with Valdez. He hit the ball very well in his second call-up. Is he injured or something? |
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Post by carmenfanzone on Aug 30, 2024 13:35:14 GMT -5
Tigers have a nice young core getting going with Greene, Keith and Jung. Maybe Torkelson gets good too This could be a very tough series. The Tigers are starting Casey Mike tonight, a former #1 draft pick who is coming off the DL. And the guy starting Saturday is not only left-handed but the best pitcher in the AL this year. If you just look at stats their offense is bad, but Torkelson and Meadows, who were so bad they got sent to the minors for a long period, have both been hitting since they got called back up. Keith started the year poorly but has been hitting well now for awhile. Plus, Baez, who was a black hole on offense is on the DL. Greene and Carpenter have been good all year. They are left handed heavy. Wish Boozer were available for this series. I agree playing the White Sox and the Angels in their last 2 series was not much of a test, but the Red Sox have not been playing well and the Tigers are currently dangerous. |
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Post by dcsoxfan15 on Aug 30, 2024 13:39:12 GMT -5
Would like to see Chase Meidroth called up at some, rather than having to watch any more of Mickey Gasper at second base and batting second. Ain't gonna happen, Meidroth doesn't need to be added to the 40 man this offseason. I don't think he's a better option by enough over the likes of grissom or Valdez to make it worth adding him right now. Does make me wonder why they don't just call up Valdez or grissom and send gasper back down though. Grissom has been awful, and Valdez is another lefty, which we absolutely do not need. Meidroth can actually work a count and get on base, something this team has been largely incapable of doing. It probably won’t happen because of 40 man considerations, but that’s not a good enough reason imo |
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Post by Darwin's Curve on Aug 30, 2024 13:45:50 GMT -5
. . .and the Tigers are currently dangerous. |
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Post by ematz1423 on Aug 30, 2024 13:47:42 GMT -5
Ain't gonna happen, Meidroth doesn't need to be added to the 40 man this offseason. I don't think he's a better option by enough over the likes of grissom or Valdez to make it worth adding him right now. Does make me wonder why they don't just call up Valdez or grissom and send gasper back down though. Grissom has been awful, and Valdez is another lefty, which we absolutely do not need. Meidroth can actually work a count and get on base, something this team has been largely incapable of doing. It probably won’t happen because of 40 man considerations, but that’s not a good enough reason imo SSS and all but last week grissom slashed .421/.455/.579. Not enough to say he deserves coming up right now but it shouldn't be outright dismissed. From some of the game day highlight videos his swing is starting to look like it used to. In regards to Valdez being a LHH true but they need a MI fill in for Hamilton who is a LHH so I'm not sure that's any issue. |
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 30, 2024 14:13:15 GMT -5
The Sox have played exactly .500 ball within the division. The same is true of the Twins, if you remove their performance against the very likely worst team in modern MLB history.* But the AL East has played .548 ball against everyone else, while the Central (again eliminating the Wrong Sox) has played .507.
The Twins have also played exactly .500 ball outside the division. They have been a .500 team who had the gift of playing 13 games against the worst team in MLB history. They are 5 - 16 against the AL East.
The simple way of doing this ... the Sox are 67 - 63 and the Twins 60 - 60 against actual MLB caliber teams. That's a 2 game lead instead of a 3.5 game deficit.
The MLB powers that be cannot be unaware of this. In general, they have a system that gives undeserving teams an artificial boost while the the better teams have a phony handicap.
And in this specific case ... the Red Sox have a somewhat better post-season reputation than the Twins. Who do you think the Mandred would rather see in a potential series against the Yankees?
* Beginning with the game that broke the epic losing streak, the ChiSox are now 4 -16. That's .200 ball. They need to go 9 - 18, .333 ball, to avoid word-ever status. They last did that, 10-17, ending on July 4. Since July 6 they are 5 - 40. Really.
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Post by dcsoxfan15 on Aug 30, 2024 14:16:28 GMT -5
Grissom has been awful, and Valdez is another lefty, which we absolutely do not need. Meidroth can actually work a count and get on base, something this team has been largely incapable of doing. It probably won’t happen because of 40 man considerations, but that’s not a good enough reason imo SSS and all but last week grissom slashed .421/.455/.579. Not enough to say he deserves coming up right now but it shouldn't be outright dismissed. From some of the game day highlight videos his swing is starting to look like it used to. In regards to Valdez being a LHH true but they need a MI fill in for Hamilton who is a LHH so I'm not sure that's any issue. Overall, it’s a .681 OPS in Worcester, and atrocious results in Boston. I’m also not sure that another LHH MI is necessity. Lot of lefty hitters on this team. Why do we need one specifically that plays infield? Any given night we can play Devers, Casas, Duran, Yoshida, Abreu from the left side. Also have Sogard as a switch hitter. |
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Post by iakovos11 on Aug 30, 2024 14:35:54 GMT -5
Grissom is a righty
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