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Post by Underwater Johnson on Aug 30, 2024 23:36:50 GMT -5
Calling Valdez the next dalbec is wild to me. Dalbec has shown 0 ability to hit ML pitching Valdez has shown some ability to do so. Maybe you forgot about Dalbec's first year ? Also Dalbec had some defensive value, Valdez is a defensive disaster. Valdez will never K at close to the rate that Bobby does. He's got professional hitter written all over him and is often clutch. Bobby had flaws from Day 1, rode a few hot months and then was toast. He's only hung around this long because they didn't have any other backup 3B (and because no one wanted to trade for him). He's been passed on the depth chart like a granny in the slow lane.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 31, 2024 1:13:34 GMT -5
Maybe you forgot about Dalbec's first year ? Also Dalbec had some defensive value, Valdez is a defensive disaster. Valdez will never K at close to the rate that Bobby does. He's got professional hitter written all over him and is often clutch. Bobby had flaws from Day 1, rode a few hot months and then was toast. He's only hung around this long because they didn't have any other backup 3B (and because no one wanted to trade for him). He's been passed on the depth chart like a granny in the slow lane. Bobby sucking doesn't make Valdez any better. 84 wRC+ -.2 fWAR. Maybe there's a reason the Sox are pretty much at the bottom in almost every category at second base. I'm hoping they don't waste a 40 man spot on either of them this offseason. There's close to zero chance either of them would stick on a major league roster for a whole season.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Aug 31, 2024 8:18:19 GMT -5
Yes, 2B has been a mess. And to listen to those who disparage Rafaela's defense, so has SS when he's been there.
So what's keeping Meidroth off the major league roster? (1) roster management issues; and (2) the general feeling that he CAN'T POSSIBLY be as good as he's shown in a full season at AAA.
If Mayer comes back healthy next season and puts up offensive value anything close to what Meidroth has this year, you think it's going to take 500 PA to bring him up?
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Post by ematz1423 on Aug 31, 2024 8:22:50 GMT -5
Yes, 2B has been a mess. And to listen to those who disparage Rafaela's defense, so has SS when he's been there. So what's keeping Meidroth off the major league roster? (1) roster management issues; and (2) the general feeling that he CAN'T POSSIBLY be as good as he's shown in a full season at AAA. If Mayer comes back healthy next season and puts up offensive value anything close to what Meidroth has this year, you think it's going to take 500 PA to bring him up? If Mayer only slugs .425 in Worcester then he may not be who we all hope he is.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 31, 2024 9:09:51 GMT -5
Bobby sucking doesn't make Valdez any better. 84 wRC+ -.2 fWAR. Maybe there's a reason the Sox are pretty much at the bottom in almost every category at second base.I'm hoping they don't waste a 40 man spot on either of them this offseason. There's close to zero chance either of them would stick on a major league roster for a whole season. But that breaks down as a 15 wRC+ in April, in part due to a .197 BABIP in 98 PAs. Then after a stint in Worcester, from May 29th to August 12th he had a 157 wRC+ in 91 PA.
But his defense stunk and they sent him back to Worcester to work on it and while there he has only an 82 wRC+. So what's going on? Is he struggling because of the emotional reaction to getting sent down? Or because he's putting all his effort into his defense? Or a health issue? Whatever the case, I don't understand how you'd land on the conclusion that he's washed up when he's clearly shown the potential to be good at the major league level.
Anyway, the numbers are pretty clear about why the Red Sox have been bad at second base: Grissom was horrendous: -0.9 WAR in 23 games. And then the scrapyard guys like Reyes, Westbrook, Gaspar, and Short made negative contributions as well.
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Post by cdj on Aug 31, 2024 9:25:03 GMT -5
Bobby sucking doesn't make Valdez any better. 84 wRC+ -.2 fWAR. Maybe there's a reason the Sox are pretty much at the bottom in almost every category at second base.I'm hoping they don't waste a 40 man spot on either of them this offseason. There's close to zero chance either of them would stick on a major league roster for a whole season. But that breaks down as a 15 wRC+ in April, in part due to a .197 BABIP in 98 PAs. Then after a stint in Worcester, from May 29th to August 12th he had a 157 wRC+ in 91 PA.
But his defense stunk and they sent him back to Worcester to work on it and while there he has only an 82 wRC+. So what's going on? Is he struggling because of the emotional reaction to getting sent down? Or because he's putting all his effort into his defense? Or a health issue? Whatever the case, I don't understand how you'd land on the conclusion that he's washed up when he's clearly shown the potential to be good at the major league level.
Anyway, the numbers are pretty clear about why the Red Sox have been bad at second base: Grissom was horrendous: -0.9 WAR in 23 games. And then the scrapyard guys like Reyes, Westbrook, Gaspar, and Short made negative contributions as well.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 31, 2024 9:50:04 GMT -5
We'll see but I doubt he sees 20 more MLB games for Boston.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 31, 2024 10:12:10 GMT -5
We'll see but I doubt he sees 20 more MLB games for Boston. He is very redundant on this roster so that wouldn't surprise me. I bet he sees more than 200 MLB games for somebody though.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 31, 2024 10:18:29 GMT -5
We'll see but I doubt he sees 20 more MLB games for Boston. He is very redundant on this roster so that wouldn't surprise me. I bet he sees more than 200 MLB games for somebody though. I'm not so sure he'd stick on a MLB roster for a full year if the Sox don't protect him. It's tough to carry a 2nd baseman only that has no defensive value. I could see him as an up and down guy on a second division team though.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 31, 2024 10:52:56 GMT -5
He is very redundant on this roster so that wouldn't surprise me. I bet he sees more than 200 MLB games for somebody though. I'm not so sure he'd stick on a MLB roster for a full year if the Sox don't protect him. It's tough to carry a 2nd baseman only that has no defensive value. I could see him as an up and down guy on a second division team though. He always makes me think of Dan Uggla: career 109 wRC+, -64 DRS, and yet that was enough for a 10-year and 20-WAR career including a few all-star appearances. Though Valdez would have to learn how to not be totally hopeless against lefties to manage that.
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 31, 2024 11:09:50 GMT -5
The spreadsheets on Fangraphs have a wild spread on Valdez's bat. 102, 97, 92, 91, 84 and 77 wRC+ projections
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Post by incandenza on Aug 31, 2024 11:29:23 GMT -5
Just looked through the numbers a little bit, and I think I'd make the case that Skubal is the best pitcher in baseball right now.
Plus he's a lefty so this ought to be fun.
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Post by asm18 on Aug 31, 2024 11:41:00 GMT -5
Do you think the Tigers will trade him for Yoan Moncada
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 31, 2024 12:50:03 GMT -5
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Post by GyIantosca on Aug 31, 2024 14:26:37 GMT -5
Don’t forget we get a hold of the Twins. The Royals are nothing . If we don’t make it . It’s our own fault .
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Post by dirtdog on Aug 31, 2024 14:40:29 GMT -5
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Post by asm18 on Aug 31, 2024 14:46:54 GMT -5
Duran CF, Refsnyder LF, O’Neill RF, Devers DH, Gonzalez 3B, Wong 2B, Casas 1B, Jansen, D. C, Rafaela SS
Wong at 2B is weird, but to be fair a Sogard or Jasper matchup vs Tarik Skubal does not seem poised to go super well - and Pivetta is heavy on K’s and has one of the lowest groundball rates in MLB
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Post by finaliz3d on Aug 31, 2024 15:02:02 GMT -5
The spreadsheets on Fangraphs have a wild spread on Valdez's bat. 102, 97, 92, 91, 84 and 77 wRC+ projections I just don't believe in him whatsoever. If the guy had some more defensive versatility/ability you could make the case as a lefty platoon bat, but the guy is attrocious at second base, and even if he was a quality left fielder, we have so many guys who can hit lefty in the outfield. I think there's a chance maybe he could stick somewhere, but on the Red Sox? Probably just gets traded or DFA'd when his options run out in 2026 unless that bat really takes off.
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Post by cdj on Aug 31, 2024 15:10:32 GMT -5
There will be punchies tonight
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Aug 31, 2024 15:19:14 GMT -5
Cora did say the last time Valdez was sent down the timing was intentional so he could come back as the Sept 1st position player addition. But then a few days later he said they may add a RH bat Sept 1st. Guess they want to replace Hamiltons LH bat.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 31, 2024 16:07:58 GMT -5
Anxiously awaiting tonights game.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Aug 31, 2024 16:16:52 GMT -5
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Aug 31, 2024 16:44:18 GMT -5
Come on, Be happy !! You got Sogard back again !!!
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 31, 2024 17:11:31 GMT -5
Not good with the dang partial sun / shade junk, or so they say.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 31, 2024 17:13:17 GMT -5
O'Neill has become underrated.
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