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Patriots 2024-25 season thread
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 20, 2024 10:31:45 GMT -5
Well Mayo after game when asked who starts next week, didn't rule out Maye starting. That's the worry, they got his feet wet, so in ten days he can start. Against the 49ers.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 20, 2024 10:36:37 GMT -5
Well Mayo after game when asked who starts next week, didn't rule out Maye starting. That's the worry, they got his feet wet, so in ten days he can start. Against the 49ers. The irony of not wanting Daniels was because run first QBs aren't the proven formula to win. Plus the risk that comes with his thin frame. With this OL Maye is going to be asked to play like a lesser Jayden Daniels while taking more shots. I don't want to see Maye running around. I want to see him have time to drop back, get set and throw. It won't be drawn up for him to run. I just fear how often the pocket will collapse on him. |
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Post by cdj on Sept 20, 2024 10:40:13 GMT -5
Well Mayo after game when asked who starts next week, didn't rule out Maye starting. That's the worry, they got his feet wet, so in ten days he can start. Against the 49ers. He also specifically said Jacoby is still the starting QB this morning, I highly doubt they’d make the switch already- especially when there are pressures on more than half the drop backs. I don’t think it’s off the table for week 5 or 6 though |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 20, 2024 10:44:49 GMT -5
Well Mayo after game when asked who starts next week, didn't rule out Maye starting. That's the worry, they got his feet wet, so in ten days he can start. Against the 49ers. He also specifically said Jacoby is still the starting QB this morning, I highly doubt they’d make the switch already, especially when there are pressures on more than half the drop backs. I don’t think it’s off the table for week 5 or 6 though I know it was SSS coming in for the first time at the end of a game with a turnstile OL, but I didn't really love what I saw from Maye. I really hope they let him work in practice. Once they make the switch it's his job and I fear what happens if he's ineffective. Not to mention the potential for injury. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 20, 2024 10:49:21 GMT -5
Well Mayo after game when asked who starts next week, didn't rule out Maye starting. That's the worry, they got his feet wet, so in ten days he can start. Against the 49ers. The irony of not wanting Daniels was because run first QBs aren't the proven formula to win. Plus the risk that comes with his thin frame. With this OL Maye is going to be asked to play like a lesser Jayden Daniels while taking more shots. I don't want to see Maye running around. I want to see him have time to drop back, get set and throw. It won't be drawn up for him to run. I just fear how often the pocket will collapse on him. The big difference is Maye can pass at a crazy high level outside the pocket, Daniels didn't do that in College. Look at Rodgers last night, we chased him out of the pocket multiple times, nice mix of passes and runs. He helped make his OL look better. |
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Post by cdj on Sept 20, 2024 10:50:53 GMT -5
He also specifically said Jacoby is still the starting QB this morning, I highly doubt they’d make the switch already, especially when there are pressures on more than half the drop backs. I don’t think it’s off the table for week 5 or 6 though I know it was SSS coming in for the first time at the end of a game with a turnstile OL, but I didn't really love what I saw from Maye. I really hope they let him work in practice. Once they make the switch it's his job and I fear what happens if he's ineffective. Not to mention the potential for injury. Agreed- I thought he was very up and down. That big throw he made was incredibly impressive as I don’t think he was even ready for the snap but there’s plenty for him to work on and I’d rather he not work on those things being hunted by a first team defense in an actual game. The jets got pressure pretty much every time they sent 5+ last night and that’s all teams would do to him |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 20, 2024 10:56:21 GMT -5
He also specifically said Jacoby is still the starting QB this morning, I highly doubt they’d make the switch already, especially when there are pressures on more than half the drop backs. I don’t think it’s off the table for week 5 or 6 though I know it was SSS coming in for the first time at the end of a game with a turnstile OL, but I didn't really love what I saw from Maye. I really hope they let him work in practice. Once they make the switch it's his job and I fear what happens if he's ineffective. Not to mention the potential for injury. Worst thing you can do is play a young QB after he didn't get all the starter reps for the week and it was a short week. Compared to some young QBs first games, his one drive wasn't bad. Had that one play were he shows how quickly he goes from one target to another, but also a few he shouldn't be playing yet passes. Miami game or after next Jets game, heck I'd really would like to wait till Strange gets back or at minimum Sow. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 20, 2024 10:58:42 GMT -5
Well Mayo after game when asked who starts next week, didn't rule out Maye starting. That's the worry, they got his feet wet, so in ten days he can start. Against the 49ers. He also specifically said Jacoby is still the starting QB this morning, I highly doubt they’d make the switch already- especially when there are pressures on more than half the drop backs. I don’t think it’s off the table for week 5 or 6 though I haven't looked yet, I guess that's good, hopefully GM got involved and is like don't be stupid! What he said after the game is why I said fire Mayo a 2nd time. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 20, 2024 11:25:52 GMT -5
He also specifically said Jacoby is still the starting QB this morning, I highly doubt they’d make the switch already- especially when there are pressures on more than half the drop backs. I don’t think it’s off the table for week 5 or 6 though I haven't looked yet, I guess that's good, hopefully GM got involved and is like don't be stupid! What he said after the game is why I said fire Mayo a 2nd time. Van Pelt also said the plan for Drake hasn’t changed. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 20, 2024 11:25:52 GMT -5
He also specifically said Jacoby is still the starting QB this morning, I highly doubt they’d make the switch already- especially when there are pressures on more than half the drop backs. I don’t think it’s off the table for week 5 or 6 though I haven't looked yet, I guess that's good, hopefully GM got involved and is like don't be stupid! What he said after the game is why I said fire Mayo a 2nd time. Van Pelt also said the plan for Drake hasn’t changed. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 20, 2024 13:29:31 GMT -5
The big difference is Maye can pass at a crazy high level outside the pocket, Daniels didn't do that in College. Look at Rodgers last night, we chased him out of the pocket multiple times, nice mix of passes and runs. He helped make his OL look better. The amazing part is that this line is so sh*t, Maye didn't make any difference. He was still sacked twice on ten dropbacks. Mahomes couldn't make this line work. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 20, 2024 14:34:13 GMT -5
I fully believe a week of practice with starters, game plan around Maye and things get a lot better. Just like with Zappe last year, wasn't very good coming in mid-game, give him a week with starters and it was much better.
Yeah Mahomes makes things look a lot better. Guy won a SB last year with Donavan Smith, who even with a huge shortage of good LT, remains a free agent.
While it wasn't pretty, Maye got us first and goal at 7 yards line, game ends after sack, 2nd and goal from 12 yard line. In about 4 minutes in 4th quarter, Maye offense had 33.1% of our yards for the game.
I truly believe Maye gives you best chance to win games right now, not worth the risk of injury or destroying him long-term though.
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Post by jmei on Sept 20, 2024 15:06:16 GMT -5
If Maye’s big growth opportunity is improving his footwork, playing behind this line in real games isn’t going to help (see: Mac Jones last year). The first two games were a pleasant surprise, but the team is what we thought it would be.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Sept 20, 2024 15:57:34 GMT -5
If Maye’s big growth opportunity is improving his footwork, playing behind this line in real games isn’t going to help (see: Mac Jones last year). The first two games were a pleasant surprise, but the team is what we thought it would be. Imagine, making grand pronouncements after a Thursday Night Week 3 game? I don't share your opinion, either then or now. |
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Post by philarhody on Sept 20, 2024 16:33:16 GMT -5
Mayo has lacked a clear plan for Maye from the start. Welcome to the Matrix. The insecure overlord will stop at nothing to destroy the chosen one. Just because you keep saying it doesn’t make it any more true. They got him reps in garbage time and I’m sure they’re going to continue to do that. If they didn’t have a plan for him he’d be starting week 1. As an aside can I call the line trash yet without getting any pushback? You know what’s awesome? You get to disagree. The line was hot garbage last night. Good call! |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 21, 2024 11:35:52 GMT -5
Haven't seen it mentioned, both Wallace and Jordan got injured late last game, Drake Maye was playing with Demontry Jacobs at LT and Zachary Thomas at LG.
Wow, the one position we can't afford to keep losing players.
Zero updates on Cole Strange, so he's not even close and Sow has been down for 5 weeks now.
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Post by texs31 on Sept 21, 2024 21:20:50 GMT -5
Can't decide if no news is a thing or not. I mean, we've heard nothing on Bourne, Mapu or Takitaki either (Barmore os probably expected that there is minimal info).
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Post by texs31 on Sept 22, 2024 7:41:28 GMT -5
Can't decide if no news is a thing or not. I mean, we've heard nothing on Bourne, Mapu or Takitaki either (Barmore os probably expected that there is minimal info). Mayo now saying Bourne is close. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 22, 2024 9:45:19 GMT -5
Can't decide if no news is a thing or not. I mean, we've heard nothing on Bourne, Mapu or Takitaki either (Barmore os probably expected that there is minimal info). Mayo now saying Bourne is close. That’s cool, maybe they’ll cut Thornton or KJ. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 22, 2024 9:53:20 GMT -5
Well Bourne, Mapu and Takitaki we'll get an update after next game. They schedule them to return or they don't. Yeah it's still frustrating that we seem to have so little information. Cope Strange injury which is know, can be 6 months to over a year. The one estimate I saw was around a 1/4 to half the season, which now seems crazy. He'll need weeks and weeks of ramp up time. Now looking like 3/4 or all of the season.
Just the bad luck, 4 LT have now played in 3 games, one walks away and two injured. Now backup LG, is injured. With Sow not going to IR I certainly figured he wouldn't miss first four games. Absolute worst case crap for this team.
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Post by costpet on Sept 22, 2024 10:36:59 GMT -5
If this season is all but lost, it might be time to start thinking about who we could trade for draft picks next year. I don't have anyone particularly in mind, but some of you might. I'll take as many picks as possible. Load it up.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 22, 2024 11:07:05 GMT -5
If this season is all but lost, it might be time to start thinking about who we could trade for draft picks next year. I don't have anyone particularly in mind, but some of you might. I'll take as many picks as possible. Load it up. If you define lost as making the playoffs or not then sure it is lost but it was never about that for me personally. You still need to field a team and try to develop guys so trading away more when your depth is already shot is completely counter productive to this. The only group, I can see trading from is WR and who wants anyone there at this point? |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 22, 2024 11:57:20 GMT -5
You trade KJ Osborn to Falcons, I dont care if it's a 7th rounder or pick swap when Bourne is healthy. Cousins could use him.
I'd trade Johnathan Jones if the return is good, we have young players that could benefit from playing time. Figure out what you have for next year.
Maybe a guy like Wise, but like with Jones it depends on return and frankly how they look the next couple weeks. If you can get more competitive, like first two games you won't be making these moves. You could add Uche to this list also.
Unlikely but Brissett could be an option if Maye is starting before deadline. They'll likely value his ability to help over a low return though.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 22, 2024 12:12:16 GMT -5
You trade KJ Osborn to Falcons, I dont care if it's a 7th rounder or pick swap when Bourne is healthy. Cousins could use him. I'd trade Johnathan Jones if the return is good, we have young players that could benefit from playing time. Figure out what you have for next year. Maybe a guy like Wise, but like with Jones it depends on return and frankly how they look the next couple weeks. If you can get more competitive, like first two games you won't be making these moves. You could add Uche to this list also. Unlikely but Brissett could be an option if Maye is starting before deadline. They'll likely value his ability to help over a low return though. Locker room culture matters. I’d trade KJ all day long but Wise is a captain and Jones seems like the type of guy you want young players to model themselves after. I don’t know what you mean by “if the return is good”, but I’d probably need a second rounder before I think of trading those guys and that’s admittedly unrealistic. I just value not being a degenerate rudderless franchise too much. Those 2 are some of our final bridge veterans to the winning days. Too much value there to trade for day 3 picks. |
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Post by costpet on Sept 22, 2024 12:24:58 GMT -5
You can get good players in the 3rd-5th rounds. Need as many as you can get.
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