mobaz
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Post by mobaz on Sept 24, 2024 10:29:53 GMT -5
Trevor Lawrence is living off clout from being a 5+ star recruit and one Natty game his freshman year. Plus his hair. He was always "it" since then whether he looked like "it" or not. I would rather be in our position (we KNEW we didn't have the guy) than pay "not the guy" like he's "the guy."
Also huge LOL if Belichick takes over Jacksonville mid-season and is coaching Mac again!
I hope Drake spends a million hrs watching Josh Allen; he's not perfect but he uses his size, movement, arm strength, and body strength in a pretty great balance most of the time. He also has worked HARD on growing accuracy.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 24, 2024 12:04:06 GMT -5
Sam Darnold is nice to see him playing well, he was the one QB I studied and rated high that busted. Kinda amazing the Jets and Panthers didn't ruin him long-term. I like him too, but I always viewed him as a project QB. The Jets shouldn’t have started him as early as they did. In a sense, we’re seeing the same thing with Bryce Young, but at least Darnold isn’t really small. Didn't view him as a project, but only two years starting in College. You feel for the guy playing on the Jets then Panthers. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 24, 2024 12:11:22 GMT -5
Trevor Lawrence is a good QB, yeah he's not great but his OL is horrible. 11 sacks in 3 games, a sack % about equal to Brissett.
One thing is clear, there are a lot of bad OL in the NFL right now. I do wonder if it's that new rule making the OT line up straight, not giving OT some extra run versus pass rushers. Not sure why NFL wanted to make things harder for OT, there hasn't been enough good ones for years.
The rookie QB showed up in game 3 of the season, all 3 having their best games.
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Post by cdj on Sept 24, 2024 12:26:52 GMT -5
Trevor Lawrence is a good QB, yeah he's not great but his OL is horrible. 11 sacks in 3 games, a sack % about equal to Brissett. One thing is clear, there are a lot of bad OL in the NFL right now. I do wonder if it's that new rule making the OT line up straight, not giving OT some extra run versus pass rushers. Not sure why NFL wanted to make things harder for OT, there hasn't been enough good ones for years. The rookie QB showed up in game 3 of the season, all 3 having their best games. His receivers sneakily suck too, they drop everything. Jacksonville has the most drops in the league by a considerable margin since he took over. Last night there were a few examples of that I saw where he put it where it needed to be and it ended up on the turf |
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 24, 2024 12:59:28 GMT -5
People are going to start pretending like everyone didn’t have Lawrence as a can’t miss prospect at Andrew Lucks level. Was he really at that level? Andrew Luck is probably the best QB prospect EVER. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 24, 2024 12:59:44 GMT -5
The Jags big stupid move was paying Lawrence top of the market money a year early. While not paying to keep his #1 WR and replacing him with Gabriel all or nothing Davis. His TE has been hurt.
I have to add it really hurts when my two binkies from Thornton draft are so good. Shakir is now #1 WR on Bills and Doubs is a very good solid starting WR, Thornton is a huge nothing burger. I rated both 2nd round picks, we could have got them much later for great value and instead over drafted Thornton who if I remember correctly I had a 4th/5th round grade on.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 24, 2024 13:05:23 GMT -5
People are going to start pretending like everyone didn’t have Lawrence as a can’t miss prospect at Andrew Lucks level. Was he really at that level? Andrew Luck is probably the best QB prospect EVER. I do think best QB prospect since Luck is fair. Then again the last two years he's been a top 10/15 type QB. He was 7th in MVP voting two years ago. Not like he's been horrible. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 24, 2024 22:16:21 GMT -5
I do think best QB prospect since Luck is fair. Then again the last two years he's been a top 10/15 type QB. He was 7th in MVP voting two years ago. Not like he's been horrible. I think he's fine, I don't like his Fabio persona. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 25, 2024 11:46:59 GMT -5
I do think best QB prospect since Luck is fair. Then again the last two years he's been a top 10/15 type QB. He was 7th in MVP voting two years ago. Not like he's been horrible. I think he's fine, I don't like his Fabio persona. Well I judge the football player, not the fact he has long hair. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 25, 2024 11:54:27 GMT -5
Well I judge the football player, not the fact he has long hair. The football player is, like I said, fine. Not great, but not bad. And he has a lot of potential since he’s still really young. Turnover machine though, I’m sure if he cut his hair he’d fumble less often. |
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Post by texs31 on Sept 25, 2024 12:02:34 GMT -5
Bentley to IR. Dugger named captain.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Sept 25, 2024 15:39:43 GMT -5
Has anyone watched Caleb Williams enough to know if his mistakes are very concerning or not? I thought his biggest defect was alleged character concerns.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Sept 25, 2024 17:02:03 GMT -5
Has anyone watched Caleb Williams enough to know if his mistakes are very concerning or not? I thought his biggest defect was alleged character concerns. I posted a clip in this thread before Week 1 where a QB coach broke down preseason tape on the rookies. His assessment of Williams, facing rudimentary defenses, was he didn't understand what he was seeing. And this is when everything he "was seeing" was basic. No surprise he's now struggling. |
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Sept 25, 2024 17:25:06 GMT -5
Wow. Why was he seen as the unanimous number one pick then? Was this just not caught beforehand?
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 25, 2024 17:42:52 GMT -5
Wow. Why was he seen as the unanimous number one pick then? Was this just not caught beforehand? Probably they think he can learn to read defenses in time and that his overall talent is too much to pass up. Jayden Daniels to me has an incredible floor and might even break top 10 in QBs, but I think he's going to be like Lamar Jackson and struggle with having to throw in volume and his body is bound to break down. RG3 looked good until he broke. If I could pick a QB today it would still be Caleb 1st, Maye 2nd, Daniels 3rd. Even though the bust rate is much higher with Maye and Caleb, I just don't see Daniels as a future Superbowl threat. Run first QBs just don't win in the playoffs. |
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Sept 25, 2024 17:59:09 GMT -5
I am pretty happy with Maye. Granted, I’m biased but he sounded very impressive when talking Xs and Os to me. The Giants seemed to think he was given what they offered to try and get him.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 25, 2024 19:00:48 GMT -5
Caleb Williams just threw for 363 yards and two TDs. He was the #1 pick because he's that good and just like most rookies on bad teams he'll make mistakes. It's hard judging QBs after 4/5 years, lol at after 3 games.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 25, 2024 19:21:03 GMT -5
Caleb Williams just threw for 363 yards and two TDs. He was the #1 pick because he's that good and just like most rookies on bad teams he'll make mistakes. It's hard judging QBs after 4/5 years, lol at after 3 games. That Bears team is loaded with talent |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 25, 2024 20:16:12 GMT -5
Caleb Williams just threw for 363 yards and two TDs. He was the #1 pick because he's that good and just like most rookies on bad teams he'll make mistakes. It's hard judging QBs after 4/5 years, lol at after 3 games. He also lost them that game with his early performance, but he ended up showing something and had the most yards of any QB. Also not against a good team, but it was an encouraging sign from him. |
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Post by ematz1423 on Sept 25, 2024 20:24:11 GMT -5
Caleb Williams just threw for 363 yards and two TDs. He was the #1 pick because he's that good and just like most rookies on bad teams he'll make mistakes. It's hard judging QBs after 4/5 years, lol at after 3 games. That Bears team is loaded with talent Yep they have one of if not the best trio of WRs in the league and Kmet is a solid TE. Their OLine on the other hand is rough and they have no run game which is probably due to the line. I like odunze a lot but gotta wonder if they'd have been smarter getting OLine help instead of odunze with that pick. Ill be honest he seems like a prima dona douche bag to me and I'm not rooting for him but Can't really judge Williams after 3 games. Jury is still out. He's had some good, some bad. About what you'd expect from a rookie QB. Problem is that he was hyped up so much that when he didn't hit the ground running immediately people start wondering. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 25, 2024 20:31:59 GMT -5
Caleb Williams just threw for 363 yards and two TDs. He was the #1 pick because he's that good and just like most rookies on bad teams he'll make mistakes. It's hard judging QBs after 4/5 years, lol at after 3 games. That Bears team is loaded with talent There OL is absolutely trash, 13 sacks allowed and they can’t run block, forcing a rookie QB to be #2 in passing attempts after 3 games. Swift made pro bowl last year on Eagles, averaging 1.8 yards per rush through 3 games. Allen also got injured week one and has only played 17% of the offensive snaps. I'd agree if he had a good OL, but it's trash and that's a huge part of the offense. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 25, 2024 20:34:07 GMT -5
Caleb Williams just threw for 363 yards and two TDs. He was the #1 pick because he's that good and just like most rookies on bad teams he'll make mistakes. It's hard judging QBs after 4/5 years, lol at after 3 games. He also lost them that game with his early performance, but he ended up showing something and had the most yards of any QB. Also not against a good team, but it was an encouraging sign from him. Asking a rookie QB to be #2 in passing attempts because his OL can't run block, then giving up 13 sacks in 3 games isn't all on Caleb Williams. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 25, 2024 23:30:57 GMT -5
I think the pocket presence is the main issue I have currently with Williams. I get his line is bad, but he moves awkwardly and panics EARLY. He's a rookie. He's a great prospect.
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Post by rasimon on Sept 26, 2024 1:26:10 GMT -5
www.pff.com/news/nfl-offensive-line-rankings-week-4-2024Ranked #32 again "The New England offensive line allowed six sacks in a loss to the Jets, which is the most by any offensive line in a game this season. The unit ranks last in PFF pass-blocking efficiency and has surrendered 41 pressures on 96 dropbacks."
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 26, 2024 6:34:03 GMT -5
www.pff.com/news/nfl-offensive-line-rankings-week-4-2024Ranked #32 again "The New England offensive line allowed six sacks in a loss to the Jets, which is the most by any offensive line in a game this season. The unit ranks last in PFF pass-blocking efficiency and has surrendered 41 pressures on 96 dropbacks." I get annoyed with the narrative that the Patriots can start Maye because the Commanders and Bears also have bad offensive lines. The Patriots literally have the worst OL unit. It's kind of amazing how bad of a job Wolf did (albeit Bill didn't give him much to start with) I agree that Caleb can't fully be blamed for his poor performance because the Bears OL hasn't given him time to work. Patriots need to draft a LT, RT and a developmental center in this next draft. Unless they really believe in Caedan Wallace at RT. If money or draft capital is an issue I'd deconstruct the defense (trading Judon for a 3rd was a great move) and pour all my resources into upgrading the OL and getting Maye a couple of offensive weapons. There's nothing more important than getting this right with Maye. |
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