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Post by texs31 on Sept 16, 2024 12:49:22 GMT -5
Potentially another addition to the "Do PFF Grades even make sense" file.
Was looking at Josh Uche's snaps/grades for so far and I'm struggling to understand
Snaps counts for the season:
36 Total (2 Run Defense, 28 Pass rush, 6 in Coverage) - So clearly his snaps are weighted significantly towards Pass Rush (makes sense)
Overall Grade 42.0 (60.0 Run D, 72.4 Tackling, 71.8 Pass rush, 28.0 in Cov) Given the above, wouldn't one assume that his overall grade would lean towards his non-Cov grades (Tackling factors in all, I'd think) since he spends most of his snaps in that role? So why does his overall grade pulled down so much by his Cov grade? Does the PFF formula weight Coverage much more significantly?
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Post by texs31 on Sept 16, 2024 12:50:07 GMT -5
Meanwhile, Carolina is already benching Bryce Young in favor of Andy Dalton.
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Post by cdj on Sept 16, 2024 14:04:36 GMT -5
I think it was designed for him to roll like that initially. Lowe just got smoked I watched it again, that's not Lowe, that's Hunter Henry. If that roll is by design it's a crazy stupid play. Your expect a TE to block the DE as you move into that area and then go catch the pass? More like Henry job was to slow him down, then go catch pass. He did a great job at that, if Brissett doesn't go right. Actually looks like what I believe is the RG is supposed to cut across and is slow getting over there (which makes sense if it’s Robinson). I think Brissett was supposed to roll right on that play, I think that’s just possibly a bad play design. Although it did end up working for a pretty big play so I guess it can’t be all bad? |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 16, 2024 14:32:58 GMT -5
It's the stupidest play ever, Lowe and Jordan are double teaming one guy and you want an OG to be quick enough to outrun a pass rusher from opposite side of the line?
Call that exhibit #1 why it's not just on OL, but the coaches. Just have Lowe guard him and Henry chip block him.
How many times have people seen that before? You get tons of pulling on run plays, not pass plays.
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Post by rasimon on Sept 16, 2024 17:25:10 GMT -5
Promoted to 53 man Michael Jordan (ol)
Signed to PS DJ James (cb)
Signed to PS Mark Perry (s)
Released from IR Tyrone Wheatley (ot)
Cut from PS Yvandy Rigby (lb)
Cut from PS AJ Thomas (s)
James is interesting
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Post by cdj on Sept 16, 2024 17:47:40 GMT -5
6th rd pick out of Auburn this past year. Decent size, good athleticism
Play Alex Austin 🗣️🗣️🗣️
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 16, 2024 18:04:16 GMT -5
Promoted to 53 man Michael Jordan (ol) Signed to PS DJ James (cb) Signed to PS Mark Perry (s) Released from IR Tyrone Wheatley (ot) Cut from PS Yvandy Rigby (lb) Cut from PS AJ Thomas (s) James is interesting I like ball production in my CB, interceptions and PD, he has 21 over last two years. NFL.com rated him a 3rd round pick. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 16, 2024 18:25:42 GMT -5
Bentley out for the season with a torn pec.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 16, 2024 21:39:07 GMT -5
Well that sucks, but we have a ton of LBers.
Watching Judon on another team sucks, imagine Judon, Barmore and White. Brissett might win a ton of games not throwing over ten yards lol.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Sept 16, 2024 22:19:40 GMT -5
Promoted to 53 man Michael Jordan (ol) Signed to PS DJ James (cb) Signed to PS Mark Perry (s) Released from IR Tyrone Wheatley (ot) Cut from PS Yvandy Rigby (lb) Cut from PS AJ Thomas (s) James is interestingOne of the SEA beat guys implied he was cut for being a non-physical player. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 16, 2024 23:16:21 GMT -5
Bentley out for the season with a torn pec. Really sucks for him, those injuries are hell to come back from. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 17, 2024 10:16:11 GMT -5
That's in his scouting report, at 175 pounds might have to move inside to slot CB as he could struggle with bigger more physical WRs in NFL. Why would Seahawks draft him? That team has always wanted the most physical CBs.
Not going to lie, James reminds me of Jonathan Jones. I'll always go after guys great in coverage than work on them getting stronger against the run. Jones went from slot only guy to outside guy and this years look at the hits stopping players dead in their tracks.
Type of players I want to see on the practice squad
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Post by rasimon on Sept 17, 2024 18:40:53 GMT -5
Jalen Reagor released from PS
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Post by cdj on Sept 17, 2024 18:58:26 GMT -5
Jalen Reagor released from PS He had an outsized opinion of himself (recently tweeted a photo of a Bugatti in a mobile home park) |
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Post by rasimon on Sept 17, 2024 19:59:09 GMT -5
Jalen Reagor released from PS He had an outsized opinion of himself (recently tweeted a photo of a Bugatti in a mobile home park) Maybe thats his car and his house |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 17, 2024 20:13:22 GMT -5
It's not his house and car.
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Post by texs31 on Sept 17, 2024 20:15:39 GMT -5
Looks like we're going to see if Wallace at LT.
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Post by cdj on Sept 17, 2024 21:49:12 GMT -5
Looks like we're going to see if Wallace at LT. Trial by fire yayyyyyy I was wondering why the line was +6.5 and then I saw our injury report for the OL |
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Sept 18, 2024 10:01:37 GMT -5
Conflicting Data or Conclusions: I came across a column on MSN.com that discussed OL play & passing game performance and I thought a couple of points were telling: Now I just read that this week's opponent, Aaron Rodgers, is averaging 2.29 seconds per pass attempt. So would he have no trouble whatsoever behind our OL? Or, a better question: is more being asked of our OL -- either by play design, or by the QB's execution (or, lack thereof) -- than they are capable of right now? Here's a clip made by a Reddit poster of all the Week 2 pressures. In real time, to my untrained eye, many of them look like the QB had sufficient time to operate. Others were clear losses by the OL, usually a tackle getting quickly defeated. Watch & decide for yourself: www.reddit.com/r/Patriots/comments/1fiy5ko/the_patriots_officially_allowed_14_qb_pressures/Maybe, like many things, it's a confluence of events (coaching, talent, execution) that lead to this high pressure rate and thus it might be improved if the team makes headway on two of those fronts (coaching, execution) while waiting for improvement on the talent level next year (draft, free agency, trade)? On a Happier Note: #Separation : guess who's The Man (rookies only)? www.reddit.com/r/Patriots/comments/1fj55tg/rookie_wr_winrates/ |
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Post by rasimon on Sept 18, 2024 11:02:32 GMT -5
www.pff.com/news/nfl-offensive-line-rankings-week-3-2024No shock. Pats rank 32nd. "The Patriots' offensive line accounted for 13 pressures — including two sacks — on 32 pass plays in Week 2. The unit recorded a 76.6 PFF pass-blocking efficiency score, which ranked second to last in the NFL in Week 2. Left tackle Vederian Lowe let up five pressures on his way to a 15.6% pressure rate, which was the second-worst clip among all NFL offensive linemen in Week 2."
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Sept 18, 2024 11:17:04 GMT -5
www.pff.com/news/nfl-offensive-line-rankings-week-3-2024No shock. Pats rank 32nd."The Patriots' offensive line accounted for 13 pressures — including two sacks — on 32 pass plays in Week 2. The unit recorded a 76.6 PFF pass-blocking efficiency score, which ranked second to last in the NFL in Week 2. Left tackle Vederian Lowe let up five pressures on his way to a 15.6% pressure rate, which was the second-worst clip among all NFL offensive linemen in Week 2." Right. But if you'll have a look at my previous post -- the one before yours -- I wonder how accurate this assessment is? A pressure is a pressure is a pressure, whether it comes at 2 seconds or 3 or 4. Using the Aaron Rodgers ball-out measurement of 2.29 seconds behind the NE OL (I know, very inexact, but it's for illustrative purposes only), NE's OL would have allowed FOUR total pressures over two games. Another example: I watched the Chiefs opening week and the rookie LT was getting beat continuously, but not getting hit with pressures because Mahomes was seeing it and getting the ball out pronto andule. If Player A gets 200 hits, he's better than Player B who only got 140 hits, right? |
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Sept 18, 2024 11:21:05 GMT -5
Btw, through 2 weeks Patriots offense has been better than Patriots defense (and ahead of the Expensive Weapons Aplenty Cowboys & Dolphins, as measured by Expected Points Added (EPA):
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Sept 18, 2024 11:34:38 GMT -5
Baldy talks Keion White (He's impressed):
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Sept 18, 2024 12:22:27 GMT -5
Baldy has a Man(kins) crush on Layden:
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 18, 2024 13:13:10 GMT -5
www.pff.com/news/nfl-offensive-line-rankings-week-3-2024No shock. Pats rank 32nd."The Patriots' offensive line accounted for 13 pressures — including two sacks — on 32 pass plays in Week 2. The unit recorded a 76.6 PFF pass-blocking efficiency score, which ranked second to last in the NFL in Week 2. Left tackle Vederian Lowe let up five pressures on his way to a 15.6% pressure rate, which was the second-worst clip among all NFL offensive linemen in Week 2." Right. But if you'll have a look at my previous post -- the one before yours -- I wonder how accurate this assessment is? A pressure is a pressure is a pressure, whether it comes at 2 seconds or 3 or 4. Using the Aaron Rodgers ball-out measurement of 2.29 seconds behind the NE OL (I know, very inexact, but it's for illustrative purposes only), NE's OL would have allowed FOUR total pressures over two games. Another example: I watched the Chiefs opening week and the rookie LT was getting beat continuously, but not getting hit with pressures because Mahomes was seeing it and getting the ball out pronto andule. If Player A gets 200 hits, he's better than Player B who only got 140 hits, right? I’m sure our receivers play a role as well. Hard to really know tho from where I sit. Line blows tho |
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