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Post by bluechip on May 28, 2013 14:27:00 GMT -5
Jackie Bradley Jr., while struggling in the minors to start the year, has come on hot since returning from the DL. Since the old thread was locked, it is time to start a new thread.
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Post by bluechip on May 28, 2013 14:29:31 GMT -5
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Post by elguapo on May 28, 2013 14:47:35 GMT -5
Filling in for Victorino makes more sense than the stint in left field did.
So far this year JBJ has already proven he's clearly not ready for the majors and clearly doesn't need more time at AAA. I guess we'll have to loan him to a Japanese team for a year for his own good.
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Post by okin15 on May 28, 2013 15:06:08 GMT -5
Tough to see Bradley taking AB's away from Nava or Carp right now, though neither is as hot as they were. With the smaller RF in Yankee stadium coming up, they can wait and see on the Hawaiian, and call up JBJ in a week if the former is still out and the latter is still hitting. I'd imagine they've penciled him in to start in RF or CF next year though.
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Post by bluechip on May 28, 2013 22:23:09 GMT -5
And Bradley is coming up and Wilson is heading back to the minors.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 29, 2013 8:25:53 GMT -5
It's too bad him and Carp are both LHH.
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Post by jrffam05 on May 29, 2013 8:29:07 GMT -5
Good to know that it takes 19 games to learn everything you can in AAA
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2013 9:46:22 GMT -5
And Bradley is coming up and Wilson is heading back to the minors. Victorino is going on rehab this weekend so apparently he won't be here long. I still think this move demonstrates how the mandate to have Bradley start the season in the majors now limits the team's flexibility with regards to the 40 man roster. There are probably other players in the organization, or freely available who would be better options for the Red Sox bench but they can't play in the majors unless a player is DFA'd. With Victorino possibly having a chronic problem, this maybe an issue for the Sox all season. Maybe Farrell will start Bradley on Friday for Jacoby with Sabathia on the hill.
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Post by joshv02 on May 29, 2013 10:02:23 GMT -5
There are probably other players in the organization, or freely available who would be better options for the Red Sox bench but they can't play in the majors unless a player is DFA'd. Who in the org? If Bradley isn't in the majors, then Brentz is -- and he gives the team less flexibility than Bradley as he can't be DFA'ed either and can't cover CF and would be stretched in Fenway's RF. Hazelbaker? The DL'ed Mitch Maier? Perhaps there is someone who is freely available (but unless they have been DFA'ed or are a FA, you don't really know that), and chances are that Bradley starts in RF while Carp is on the bench.
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Post by widewordofsport on May 29, 2013 10:12:47 GMT -5
It may be unfortunate, but I think JBJ is up for good if he hits.
Only 18 ABs vs. LHP at AAA this year though, and I wonder if some more time would be good, no matter how well he hits. Just ask Anthony Rizzo (I know, PCL) how long it takes for AAA to prepare you for MLB.
But I do feel better about a short (or longer) MLB stint not completely screwing him up... he seems to have adjusted to AAA again. At this point my biggest worry might be if he's another injury-prone player, especially given the tricky OF in Fenway (if he is still playing when they get back home) and his range/ability to get to balls at the wall.
EDIT: how do you all feel about a player having a few injury fill-in stints to get a feel for the majors, and then going back to AAA to work on it, or do you all prefer a player to wait and then come up for good? Anyone have any data suggesting one way is better, or feel strongly about JBJ in regards to that?
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Post by widewordofsport on May 29, 2013 10:15:28 GMT -5
Do any OFs around the minors have an out clause? Anyone who could provide depth. Even with JBJ up, a Nava/JBJ/Ellsbury/Victorino OF is four players that you really can't count on to stay healthy (though who can you count on for that, I guess).
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2013 10:35:14 GMT -5
If they could bring up anyone who is currently in the organization without DFAing anyone, my choice would be Hazelbaker. Failing that there are other guys out there stuck in CF in the minors that the team could go and get. A guy like Joe Benson is a guy I assume the Red Sox might have had interest in had they had an open spot.
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Post by widewordofsport on May 29, 2013 10:38:33 GMT -5
Moonstone - you say that because you think a short stint will mess up JBJ, or that you think Haze is a better option, right now. I like him and think he's got a ton of talent, but I can't see him being equal to JBJ at the plate, and obviously way behind in the field.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2013 10:45:07 GMT -5
And Bradley is coming up and Wilson is heading back to the minors. Wilson has been pitching very well. This is a surprise. Through 18 frames, his ERA is only 2.50. His walk rate is a little high, but he still has been a good option in the bullpen these past few weeks. I hope he returns soon. Honestly, I don't think Bradley is ready yet and I would rather go with Hazelbaker. Although he is not on the 40-man, I would DFA Butler or Hassan in a heartbeat.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2013 10:52:20 GMT -5
Moonstone - you say that because you think a short stint will mess up JBJ, or that you think Haze is a better option, right now. I like him and think he's got a ton of talent, but I can't see him being equal to JBJ at the plate, and obviously way behind in the field. I don't it's that black and white. I think it's unlikely that a week in the majors will cause JBJ to go the way of Bobby Sprowel. However I would prefer that Bradley not have an interruption to playing every day especially that he's finally back healthy and doing well. I believe that is the best thing for his development. Cherrington himself said on NESN last night that the best thing for a prospect's development was to play every day. Hazelbaker I don't mind putting on the bench and getting a few pinch hitting appearances here and there and maybe a start as that's likely his final destination anyways. Plus he brings a couple of things in that role that Bradley doesn't, such as more power and possibly slightly more speed.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2013 10:56:36 GMT -5
When you DFA a player, any player you have to consider what you are getting in return. All you are getting is the opportunity to have JBJ build on his recent momentum in AAA as opposed to sitting on the bench for a week. That's worth something, but I don't think it's worth giving up a player that the Red Sox value for.
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Post by widewordofsport on May 29, 2013 11:02:03 GMT -5
I guess I don't see them playing Bradley any more sparingly than he has been in light of the injury issues he had. Starting three games and finishing 2 or 3 in a week is 'enough' for him. If it was for a month, then consistency of playing time is more of an issue.
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Post by terriblehondo on May 29, 2013 11:31:14 GMT -5
It makes sense to bring him up at this time. I was against it at the start of the season. But with Shane on the DL the next 2 games in a NL park and then the big left field in Yankee stadium it makes sense to me. It would be a better fit if he hit right handed though. When Shane gets back next week you send JBJ back down.
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Post by Oregon Norm on May 29, 2013 12:29:43 GMT -5
It makes sense to bring him up at this time. I was against it at the start of the season. But with Shane on the DL the next 2 games in a NL park and then the big left field in Yankee stadium it makes sense to me. It would be a better fit if he hit right handed though. When Shane gets back next week you send JBJ back down. Agree. This is the way I envisioned they'd use him, instead of the silly $h!t at the beginning of the year driven largely by the media. He can get his feet wet spelling players who are down in short stints, get that under his belt, and learn the pitchers also. Having all the klieg lights focused on him, so that the sports writers and talking heads can get one or two no-brainer columns and a few sessions of mindless chatter in, is a disservice to the team, the fans, and to him. Not that that's a huge concern for the chattering class.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2013 12:39:34 GMT -5
I guess I don't see them playing Bradley any more sparingly than he has been in light of the injury issues he had. Starting three games and finishing 2 or 3 in a week is 'enough' for him. If it was for a month, then consistency of playing time is more of an issue. I wouldn't be so sure about that. Ellsbury obviously plays every day unless you are giving him a day off. Against righties, how do you sit Carp or Nava right now? With the Red Sox due to face one lefty maybe two over the next eight days or so, at best Bradley gets two starts IF that. The problem is that for the first time this season Bradley is finally back, and playing consistently and playing well. You'd prefer not to break up that momentum wouldn't you? As I said previously, it's unlikely that not playing consistently for a week is going to ruin Jackie Bradley Junior. It's more likely that once he's sent down it takes him a week or two to get going again. By that time half the season is almost gone and you still haven't gotten the guy you hope will be your CF next April going. This scenario isn't the end of the world, but it's certainly not optimal and it wouldn't be necessary if Bradley not been mandated to be on the team opening day.
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Post by okin15 on May 29, 2013 13:24:59 GMT -5
agree. Made sense to me to have him up at the beginning of the season, cause who else would you have grabbed. But the way that Olerud, Nava and Carp started, it would have been better to have them playing. I think this is hindsight though, as there didn't seem to be any other options.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2013 14:05:59 GMT -5
You could have kept Mike Sweeney on the team as a backup. Even if he were DFA'd once Ortiz was activated you would still have the roster spot to play with. There have been outfielders that can play CF and have options left that have been through waivers (Benson) and some that can play CF and don't (Cousins).
That's the kind of player I'd want as my 40th man on a roster that only has two players who can realistically play CF.
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Post by steveofbradenton on May 29, 2013 14:10:25 GMT -5
I would have loved to see Jackie Bradley stay put until September at Pawtucket. I just want him to be a more finished product and get consistent playing time. I'm elated over how he has done in AAA after spending just a half season in AA. The kid is for real. I just want him to get another 300 at bats are more at the AAA level and be really ready to take over the center field job in Boston next season.
I understand why they are bringing him up at this point, but I like seeing his progress every day at Pawtucket.
It is amazing that this kid who has average power at best and slightly above average speed is such a potential corner stone for us. But a lead-off hitter who gets on base at a .400 clip or better and plays center that well makes us all giddy.
Luckily JBJ has a level head and such a quiet confidence, that even if he comes up for a couple of games and doesn't hit (again), he just knows in the long run he WILL! I doubt anything will screw up his confidence.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on May 29, 2013 14:16:06 GMT -5
He's going back down when Victorino gets activated next week. June 5th the 2nd game against Texas. Let's not make a big deal out of something so minor. A 7 day call-up that covers 6 games to cover an injured vet.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2013 14:17:36 GMT -5
I am with you on this Steve. I want them to be good at bats too.
For the Red Sox to be comfortable handing him the keys next year he has to have a strong base of performance in the upper minors. Between the call up, and the injury he lost about six weeks of his opportunity to do that. Calling him up again to have him sit on the bench could mean another two to three weeks lost. There would still be enough time for him to get in a groove and put up a strong performance base in the minors, but you are starting to cut it close.
The season can fade away pretty quickly.
Can I make a small deal out of it?
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