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2013 Non-Waiver Trade Deadline Discussion
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jul 10, 2013 12:47:35 GMT -5
It's really hard to look at Colon's numbers and not suspect he is cheating. He was coming off back to back playing seasons (with injury in between) he had a 4.19 and 4.00 ERA and then he goes to the A's and somehow collects a 3.43 before getting busted for synthetic testosterone and now a 2.69 ERA at 39 and 40! By the same logic i guess you could apply the same for Ortiz but his PED season was almost a decade ago and he can't loose gas on his fastball like a pitcher can I'll give everyone here more reason to look hard at Colon and PED's if they haven't watched many/any of his starts this year. His last gem vs the Pirates? He was STILL hitting 95-96 AFTER the 100 pitch mark.. Yeah.. That broken down Colon, the same guy who was at Boston and barely cracked 93, an occasion 95 was SITTING 95 that entire game vs the Buccos.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 10, 2013 13:04:15 GMT -5
I just feel the need to state Ryan Braun is a major loser in the mold of Arod and I hope he gets slammed with a 100 game ban and serves it like the loser he is.
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Post by beasleyrockah on Jul 10, 2013 14:40:53 GMT -5
It's really hard to look at Colon's numbers and not suspect he is cheating. He was coming off back to back playing seasons (with injury in between) he had a 4.19 and 4.00 ERA and then he goes to the A's and somehow collects a 3.43 before getting busted for synthetic testosterone and now a 2.69 ERA at 39 and 40! By the same logic i guess you could apply the same for Ortiz but his PED season was almost a decade ago and he can't loose gas on his fastball like a pitcher can I'll give everyone here more reason to look hard at Colon and PED's if they haven't watched many/any of his starts this year. His last gem vs the Pirates? He was STILL hitting 95-96 AFTER the 100 pitch mark.. Yeah.. That broken down Colon, the same guy who was at Boston and barely cracked 93, an occasion 95 was SITTING 95 that entire game vs the Buccos. Yeah if it's that easy get every broken down pitcher on the same stuff. Where is Jose Lima?
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 10, 2013 14:54:59 GMT -5
It's really hard to look at Colon's numbers and not suspect he is cheating. He was coming off back to back playing seasons (with injury in between) he had a 4.19 and 4.00 ERA and then he goes to the A's and somehow collects a 3.43 before getting busted for synthetic testosterone and now a 2.69 ERA at 39 and 40! By the same logic i guess you could apply the same for Ortiz but his PED season was almost a decade ago and he can't loose gas on his fastball like a pitcher can I'll give everyone here more reason to look hard at Colon and PED's if they haven't watched many/any of his starts this year. His last gem vs the Pirates? He was STILL hitting 95-96 AFTER the 100 pitch mark.. Yeah.. That broken down Colon, the same guy who was at Boston and barely cracked 93, an occasion 95 was SITTING 95 that entire game vs the Buccos. How does he only have 4.9 K/9 this year?
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jul 10, 2013 15:04:02 GMT -5
jimed14He pitches to contact and for you guys that are stat watchers, maybe go check out the # of FB he throws, but its around 60%. A LOT. Watch several A's games and he does vary speeds of the pitch, but he also reaches back quite often each batter also. When I posted above "Sitting" 95, that was on his 4 seamer and not the sinking and 2 seamer that he also throws. Yes, he has been unworldy and was the same last year, just got little press from it and don't recall the velocity as high either as a fairly often viewer of the A's on late games.
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Post by taftreign on Jul 10, 2013 22:35:21 GMT -5
At this time it appears the Red Sox are likely to make a move with the initial targets of Matt Thorton, Addison Reed, and Steve Cishek as bullpen arms.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 11, 2013 10:48:40 GMT -5
At this time it appears the Red Sox are likely to make a move with the initial targets of Matt Thorton, Addison Reed, and Steve Cishek as bullpen arms. Source? Also, anyone mind if I start a daily Scott Linebrink rumor, just for old-times sake?
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 11, 2013 10:48:43 GMT -5
EDIT: Double Post.
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Post by charliezink16 on Jul 11, 2013 11:00:44 GMT -5
I'm sure every single player suspended is going to appeal their suspensions, and that could take months. I doubt any of these players will miss time this year. While this is very true, one exception might be Nelson Cruz. Cruz is a free agent after the season, and it may behoove him to begin serving his suspension after the all-star break so that his price tag isn't completely driven into the ground. The kicker here is obviously that the Rangers are going to be in the middle of a heated playoff race, and it would be an extremely selfish move on his part. Regardless, it'lll be interesting to see how it plays out. And in regards to Colon, I still laugh at the though of him going on the DL with Boston after flailing at an awful outside pitch for strike 3. Too funny.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2013 15:21:46 GMT -5
At this time it appears the Red Sox are likely to make a move with the initial targets of Matt Thorton, Addison Reed, and Steve Cishek as bullpen arms. Source? Also, anyone mind if I start a daily Scott Linebrink rumor, just for old-times sake? I think Cafardo tweeted that. Matt Thorton would certainly be desirable but according to MLBTR, they want a top end prospect for him which would mean Ranaudo, Bogarts, or Checchini and the Sox aren't doing that for a reliever. Some of these prices for bullpen parts are going to have to come down.
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Post by charliezink16 on Jul 11, 2013 21:33:10 GMT -5
Source? Also, anyone mind if I start a daily Scott Linebrink rumor, just for old-times sake? I think Cafardo tweeted that. Matt Thorton would certainly be desirable but according to MLBTR, they want a top end prospect for him which would mean Ranaudo, Bogarts, or Checchini and the Sox aren't doing that for a reliever. Some of these prices for bullpen parts are going to have to come down. As Buster Olney calls it, "Zach Wheeler Syndrome"
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 11, 2013 22:27:44 GMT -5
I think the Sox will wind up dealing Drake Britton and Michael Almanzar for a reliever when all is said and done
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Post by taftreign on Jul 11, 2013 22:58:57 GMT -5
At this time it appears the Red Sox are likely to make a move with the initial targets of Matt Thorton, Addison Reed, and Steve Cishek as bullpen arms. Source? Also, anyone mind if I start a daily Scott Linebrink rumor, just for old-times sake? This is from MLB Trade Rumors but the original source is Cafardo of the Boston Globe. Cannot get the original article without paying a fee. www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/07/al-notes-rangers-red-sox-mariners.html•The Red Sox appear likely to be active on the trade market, with relief help a top concern, says Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe. The Red Sox's bullpen is in a tough spot with the loss of Andrew Miller to injury. He names the White Sox's Matt Thornton or the Marlins' Steve Cishek as potential trade acquisitions. More recent on MLBTradeRumors siting Cafardo again and additional potential targets from the SF pen according to Morosi. www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/07/reliever-trade-talk-.html•Boston's top pitching scout, Eddie Bane, is watching White Sox relievers Thornton, Lindstrom, and Addison Reed, tweets Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe. The Red Sox would love a healthy Crain, adds Cafardo. •Another of many teams the Red Sox may turn to is the Giants; Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports says Boston and Detroit have checked in with San Francisco on bullpen arms in case they decide to sell. Morosi seesJavier Lopez as one potential trade candidate, with the Giants having lost four in a row to drop to 6.5 games out. Other veterans in the Giants' pen include Sergio Romo (signed through 2014), Jeremy Affeldt (signed through '15), Jose Mijares (under control through '14), and Santiago Casilla (signed through at least 2015). Casilla could be activated today following a stint on the DL for a knee injury.
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Post by jmei on Jul 12, 2013 9:13:14 GMT -5
Potential Andrew Miller replacement: Oliver Perez. Not only was I very impressed by his performances in the most recent Mariners series, but he even shares much of Miller's backstory (former top prospect resurrected as elite lefty reliever). www.fangraphs.com/blogs/oliver-perez-pitcher-you-want/
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Post by gatortough on Jul 12, 2013 11:25:23 GMT -5
Peter Gammons ?@pgammo 16m every GM I've talked to say the Mariners want premier prospects for LHP rel. O. Perez, Furbush, B. Moran
I would love Perez, hopefully they come down on the asking price. What do you think the price needs to come down to to get him? Britton? Britton and a wild card or maybe Almanzar? More? He's just a rental, but given the need and the legitimate shot for this team to do special things hopefully they can work out something. He seems like the best relief option I've seen on the market. Along with Jmei, I was super impressed with him last series.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jul 13, 2013 7:18:15 GMT -5
Peter Gammons ?@pgammo 16m every GM I've talked to say the Mariners want premier prospects for LHP rel. O. Perez, Furbush, B. Moran I would love Perez, hopefully they come down on the asking price. What do you think the price needs to come down to to get him? Britton? Britton and a wild card or maybe Almanzar? More? He's just a rental, but given the need and the legitimate shot for this team to do special things hopefully they can work out something. He seems like the best relief option I've seen on the market. Along with Jmei, I was super impressed with him last series. If they can get anything sevicable out of De La Cruz, or Almazar? Here's to it getting done. Move Brentz also, Chisox already have a team filled up with guys who don't know anything about patience at the plate (other than Dunn) and maybe they would be interested in another.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jul 16, 2013 9:36:40 GMT -5
Texas, Washington, Boston, Arizona and Colorado are all in on Garza and to a lesser extent Cleveland Jim Bowden I'm guessing any package we offer starts with Henry Owens. Theo has a 1st round pick if he keeps Garza. Don't want to deal Barnes. Don't think they would want a package around Ranaudo.
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Post by jrffam05 on Jul 16, 2013 10:15:29 GMT -5
I think there are very few players who may be available that would warrant a top 8 prospect in return. Lee, Price, Stanton, Mauer. They all have questions tied to them (mostly money). Only trades that make sense to me right now are bullpen and bench players. I really like the idea or Lopez, or Crain if healthy. I wouldn't mind seeing Brentz, Almanzar, De la Cruz, or Britton traded. Think best bet is to keep farm system intact.
(BTW I said multiple times it was a mistake trading Melancon. Probably just a lucky guess. Didn't expect him to be one of the best relievers in baseball, but expected him to be good)
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Post by danr on Jul 17, 2013 10:49:10 GMT -5
I would like to see the Sox add a top-flight SP, but I'm not convinced that Garza is the right one.
I think the Sox can take the division without adding an SP because of the arms at AAA. They, however, probably are not enough to win in the post season.
If Buchholz is really OK, and if Lester recovered some of his old skills, I might be tempted to stand pat, but I don't expect either of those to be the case.
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Post by jdb on Jul 18, 2013 11:18:00 GMT -5
Less than two weeks away. Hopefully we get more details on Buch soon. Maybe someone like Carlos Villanueva would provide insurance. 10 starts this year in Chicago with an ERA of 3.59 and FIP of 3.77.
I really am uneasy about sending a top 5-10 prospect to the Cubs for Garza and doubt a package with Brentz, Workman orbit ton gets it done.
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Post by jdb on Jul 18, 2013 17:57:27 GMT -5
Buster tweeted the Cubs are asking for last and best offers on Garza.
Olney tweet
Other teams say CHC are asking for last and best offers on Matt Garza, and they think he'll be traded before he throws another pitch for CHC
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jul 18, 2013 20:25:49 GMT -5
I hope that if we don't get Garza, the Rangers do. I mean a Rangers-Cubs deal at the deadline worked sooo well last year, right?
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Post by jdb on Jul 18, 2013 20:53:42 GMT -5
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Post by curll on Jul 18, 2013 21:31:23 GMT -5
I'm just going to beat this drum again.
Trade Buchholz ASAP. He is a crumby pitcher who's injury prone. The ERA is a mirage. That is all. Thank you.
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Post by mgoetze on Jul 18, 2013 21:50:57 GMT -5
I'm just going to beat this drum again. Trade Buchholz ASAP. He is a crumby pitcher who's injury prone. The ERA is a mirage. That is all. Thank you. And why on earth would anyone be willing to pay a reasonable price for Buchholz at the moment? Also, while a 3.2% HR/FB rate is certainly unsustainable, Buchholz's xFIP this season (3.22) is still better than that of Lackey (3.27). Admittedly, that is well below his xFIP in any previous season and assuming a bit of regression seems a priori reasonable, but the deviation is significant enough that we must assume he was pitching far better than previously in his career.
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