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Post by hammerhead on Jul 24, 2013 13:03:34 GMT -5
If I'm the sox I trade Hassan or Hazelbaker for Luke Hochevar, then check in on a third baseman.... or find a good hitter who could be converted there. I wouldn't go overboard on a position of organizational strength
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Post by jimoh on Jul 24, 2013 17:58:43 GMT -5
If I'm the sox I trade Hassan or Hazelbaker for Luke Hochevar, then check in on a third baseman.... or find a good hitter who could be converted there. I wouldn't go overboard on a position of organizational strength That's a tiny price for Hochevar.
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Post by bluechip on Jul 24, 2013 18:29:44 GMT -5
Alexei Ramirez has been the last couple of seasons basically a defense only shortstop, and will be making ten million a year for the next couple of seasons. I don't think the Cards would accept Drew for Martinez, but I have no idea why they would want Alexei Ramirez. Isn't Ramirez, even in apparent decline this year and last, an average or above average shortstop for offense, and plays good defense? He also was well above average the four previous years. He's also better on O and D than what they have, isn't he? I would say his total package is probably average, but not worth Martinez who is one of the top pitching prospects in the game.
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Post by jimoh on Jul 24, 2013 20:11:56 GMT -5
Isn't Ramirez, even in apparent decline this year and last, an average or above average shortstop for offense, and plays good defense? He also was well above average the four previous years. He's also better on O and D than what they have, isn't he? I would say his total package is probably average, but not worth Martinez who is one of the top pitching prospects in the game. Right, he's not worth Martinez, but he's not worth nothing, so the claim "I have no idea why they would want Alexei Ramirez" seemed odd to me.
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Post by jmei on Jul 24, 2013 20:15:53 GMT -5
The fact that the White Sox did not accept that deal immediately must mean there's more to the story, no?
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Post by bluechip on Jul 24, 2013 21:00:07 GMT -5
I would say his total package is probably average, but not worth Martinez who is one of the top pitching prospects in the game. Right, he's not worth Martinez, but he's not worth nothing, so the claim "I have no idea why they would want Alexei Ramirez" seemed odd to me. I meant that they they would want Ramirez for Martinez. I should have clarified. Heyman said today that the white sox did not reject a Martinez for Ramirez trade so it might just be one of those rumors....
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Post by bluechip on Jul 24, 2013 21:05:03 GMT -5
Now it is Rumored that Middlebrooks has been brought up in Peavy talks. That would make sense as the centerpiece of a trade, right? More would be needed, but it seems fair based upon the rangers garza package.
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Post by taftreign on Jul 24, 2013 21:37:38 GMT -5
How much do you think it would cost for Big Erving Santana? Dayton will want a good bit to save face in selling IMO.
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Post by hammerhead on Jul 25, 2013 7:13:31 GMT -5
Trading WMB for Peavy would be the epitome' of stupid. It would be borderline retarded and there is no way in hell that Ben C. is even considering it. You don't trade a guy who was your overall number 1 prospect just last year, who tore it up in the bigs for a couple months last year. Who is in a sophomore slump for an oft injured aging pitcher who is coming off the DL. I'm sure they learned plenty from Eric Bedard. It's a salary dump for the Chisox.
I'd offer them Kolbrin Vitek and tell them to take it or leave it.
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Post by sibbysisti on Jul 25, 2013 8:11:45 GMT -5
Aging at 32? Wow! You must be......like 18.
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Post by jdb on Jul 25, 2013 8:17:19 GMT -5
We need to look for some RH bats at C and fill our need at 3B. Too many holes in that lineup going against LHP. Drew probably should sit vs LHP as well.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 25, 2013 8:44:16 GMT -5
Heres my crazy insane fantasy league trade proposal of the day.
Brandon Workman/Frank Montas/Allen Webster/Jeremy Hazelbaker/Daniel Nava for Luke Hochevar/Erwin Santana/Alex Gordon. Gordon is an upgrade in left and we strengthen up our rotation and bullpen at the same time. It may take a stronger outfield prospect than Hazelbaker and they may prefer another pitcher over Allen Webster....but Maybe?!?!? is some kinda universe that is a plausible scenario.
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Post by hammerhead on Jul 25, 2013 9:23:08 GMT -5
Peavy is aging as in the wrong side of 30, but more importantly he has the arm of a 40 year old. That arm has been Botchy'd , when was the last time the guy pitched a full season, or even made a handfull of consecutive starts without ending up on the DL. His best days are long behind him . It's asking for trouble to bring this guy into a higher stress environment and expect him to stay healthy. This team doesn't need another 5 inning pitcher.... So yes AGING
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Post by jdb on Jul 25, 2013 10:12:25 GMT -5
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Post by bluechip on Jul 25, 2013 10:15:27 GMT -5
Heres my crazy insane fantasy league trade proposal of the day. Brandon Workman/Frank Montas/Allen Webster/Jeremy Hazelbaker/Daniel Nava for Luke Hochevar/Erwin Santana/Alex Gordon. Gordon is an upgrade in left and we strengthen up our rotation and bullpen at the same time. It may take a stronger outfield prospect than Hazelbaker and they may prefer another pitcher over Allen Webster....but Maybe?!?!? is some kinda universe that is a plausible scenario. To be honest, I am not seeing KC accepting that trade. If you break it down a little, it looks a little one sided: 1)Webster and Nava for Gordon. Maybe that is fair. 2) Workman and Montas for Santana. Not seeing this as fair. Santana has been real good for a three out of four years. Workman still has not done enough at the MLB level to prove that he is more than a 4/5 starter. Montas is a lottery ticket. 3) Hazelbaker for Hochevar. Not close to fair.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 25, 2013 10:47:14 GMT -5
Heres my crazy insane fantasy league trade proposal of the day. Brandon Workman/Frank Montas/Allen Webster/Jeremy Hazelbaker/Daniel Nava for Luke Hochevar/Erwin Santana/Alex Gordon. Gordon is an upgrade in left and we strengthen up our rotation and bullpen at the same time. It may take a stronger outfield prospect than Hazelbaker and they may prefer another pitcher over Allen Webster....but Maybe?!?!? is some kinda universe that is a plausible scenario. To be honest, I am not seeing KC accepting that trade. If you break it down a little, it looks a little one sided: 1)Webster and Nava for Gordon. Maybe that is fair. 2) Workman and Montas for Santana. Not seeing this as fair. Santana has been real good for a three out of four years. Workman still has not done enough at the MLB level to prove that he is more than a 4/5 starter. Montas is a lottery ticket. 3) Hazelbaker for Hochevar. Not close to fair. I was thinking more of Workman/Webster for Erwin Santana Nava/HazelBaker for Gordon Montas for Hochevar Still even breaking it down like that I think you are right, the Sox would have to add more. Workman/Webster may be enough if they are high on one or both of those guys. I think you can Replace HazelBaker with a better prospect, perhaps Brentz and throw in another pitcher with Montas. Webster/Workman/Brentz/Nava/Montas/Hernandez??? If that's not enough then maybe they can upgrade Workman to Ranaudo...which would strengthen our pen this year as Workman is showing he can contribute right now.
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Post by GyIantosca on Jul 25, 2013 17:52:11 GMT -5
I just think we have enough from with-in. But I want to fix the log jam at SS and solve 3B. There's no punch in the outfield also. Again I would deal Drew and Nava just for bullpen arms or low level prospects. Bring up X-man for SS or 3b. Bring up Brentz and Jbj for outfield help. Maybe Drew and Nava gets us bullpen help from the Brewers or Royals or even the Padres that FO is familiar with us.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 25, 2013 18:40:11 GMT -5
I just think we have enough from with-in. But I want to fix the log jam at SS and solve 3B. There's no punch in the outfield also. Again I would deal Drew and Nava just for bullpen arms or low level prospects. Bring up X-man for SS or 3b. Bring up Brentz and Jbj for outfield help. Maybe Drew and Nava gets us bullpen help from the Brewers or Royals or even the Padres that FO is familiar with us. Dude, chill out. You realize Brentz is on the DL with a knee injury, right (of course not). Trading Nava doesn't solve any issue; he's been our second or third best OF all year and is not arb-eligible until after 2014. JBJ will be here in September (or earlier if there's an injury).
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Post by jdb on Jul 25, 2013 19:17:48 GMT -5
One things for certain if we did acquire Peavy and signed MAG Cherrington would be the most popular GM at the winter meetings. You'd have Buch, Lester, Doubrount, Peavy, Lackey, MAG, Dempster and Workan (swing guy/spot starter) at the MLB level. Assuming a deal is built around Ranuado/Britton low level prospect you still have Rubby, Webster, Barnes and Owens in the minors. BC could fill some MLB holes going into 2014 trading a MLB starter. If we are breaking in a rookie/younger guy in CF and potentially SS and 3B as well we need a better option in LF and 1B if possible.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jul 25, 2013 20:55:50 GMT -5
I'm not crazy about bringing Peavy in unless we also acquire Don Cooper and the White Sox training staff. Say what you will about that organization but they do as good a job keeping their starters healthy and effective as any team in baseball. I mean, they turned Jose Quintana (that creep can roll) into a good starter. How is that even possible?
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