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Post by jbberlo22 on Jun 29, 2013 12:58:22 GMT -5
I know this is coming shortly after a heartbreaking loss but lots of rumors about trading seguin for a top pick or prospect to save some cash. This would hopefully let us sign horton and get a guy like seth jones or mckinnon. Thoughts?
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Post by wcp3 on Jun 29, 2013 14:05:00 GMT -5
I would rather have Seguin long term. It's remarkable how quickly people are giving up on a 21-year-old.
I'd like to see the Bruins play Seguin at center next season where he belongs.
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Post by jbberlo22 on Jun 29, 2013 16:05:56 GMT -5
If we are able to trade him then we will have enough cap space to hopefully sign horton.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 30, 2013 20:12:58 GMT -5
If we are able to trade him then we will have enough cap space to hopefully sign horton. Horton has apparently told the team he won't be re-signing. Would have had to take a paycut to come back once they sign Rask. |
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Post by tns on Jul 4, 2013 14:21:10 GMT -5
Rumor from TSN's Darren Dreger:
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Post by tns on Jul 4, 2013 14:33:55 GMT -5
Seguin, Peverly and Button to Stars. For Eriksson, J.Morrow R.Smith and Matt Fraser. via TSN's Daren Dreger |
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Post by homerdante on Jul 4, 2013 15:52:12 GMT -5
Was it too early to give up on Seguin's potential? At 21, one has to think there is so much more he's going to become as a player. His fit into the system, or lack of fitting into the system, his off-ice antics and arrogance as well as the cap hit are all factors, but how much of the blame here goes to the GM in this case? Does Seguin have the year he has this year if he wasn't signed to a contract that one could argue was a possible source of complacency? What does he have to play for at this point? The contract year is a huge motivator, we've seen it all too many times, and the first year or two of a large contract are frequently down years for a lot of players.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Jul 4, 2013 16:01:24 GMT -5
Was it too early to give up on Seguin's potential? At 21, one has to think there is so much more he's going to become as a player. His fit into the system, or lack of fitting into the system, his off-ice antics and arrogance as well as the cap hit are all factors, but how much of the blame here goes to the GM in this case? Does Seguin have the year he has this year if he wasn't signed to a contract that one could argue was a possible source of complacency? What does he have to play for at this point? The contract year is a huge motivator, we've seen it all too many times, and the first year or two of a large contract are frequently down years for a lot of players. This is lunacy. Can we really expect players to only derive the motivation to play well from money? |
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Post by wcp3 on Jul 4, 2013 17:58:15 GMT -5
I think most of the blame should go to Seguin, but I agree that they're probably giving up too early on him. Especially since they never really gave him a chance to play center.
Some of the beat writers seem to think his attitude/lack of professionalism had something to do with it. You always heard some off-the-ice things about him, but never really anything about him being a poor teammate. (A lot of times that stuff doesn't come out till after a guy leaves, though.)
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Post by homerdante on Jul 4, 2013 21:21:45 GMT -5
Was it too early to give up on Seguin's potential? At 21, one has to think there is so much more he's going to become as a player. His fit into the system, or lack of fitting into the system, his off-ice antics and arrogance as well as the cap hit are all factors, but how much of the blame here goes to the GM in this case? Does Seguin have the year he has this year if he wasn't signed to a contract that one could argue was a possible source of complacency? What does he have to play for at this point? The contract year is a huge motivator, we've seen it all too many times, and the first year or two of a large contract are frequently down years for a lot of players. This is lunacy. Can we really expect players to only derive the motivation to play well from money? I forget which radio personality this past week was trying to analyze a young kid with Seguin potential playing the way he played this year--I want to say Felger. First year in the league, won Stanley Cup. Second year in the league, gets contract that arguably overpays him (tries to lock him in before he seriously breaks out--but ends up having the opposite effect). What is left for motivation for this guy? He would have to personally want to be the best player on the ice was Felger's comment I think. He would have to have an inner fire to strive for legendary status within the history of the game. Did we ever see that from Seguin in his career? Did he ever seem to want to be the best player on the ice? Did we ever see stories about him staying after games for hours practicing on things like 41 year old Jagr did? Seemingly, that stuff didn't seem to be inside Seguin, coupled with him getting into the Marchand bar scene, I guess my question is, what other than money would motivate a 21 year old Seguin? I agree that it shouldn't be that way. But what other way is there to look at it? |
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Post by chavopepe2 on Jul 5, 2013 6:49:01 GMT -5
Why does any player continue to play well after they get their first contract? Look at any sport - players don't just stop trying when they get a new contract. There were eleven players on the Bruins last year that made over $3M. Did all of them stop trying since they were already "getting paid"? It makes zero sense to somehow insinuate that it is Chiarelli's fault Seguin didn't perform. By that logic he should never sign another player again, because when he does they will stop trying and perform poorly.
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Post by texs31 on Jul 5, 2013 8:14:50 GMT -5
Even IF that is the case, you still can't blame the GM. If that's the type of player/person he is, do we really want him?
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Post by xxdamgoodxx on Jul 11, 2013 11:03:45 GMT -5
Love the Trade so much. Seguin is a toolbox off the ice, he doesn't fit in the system, he can't play defense, he is soft, he always shoots from outside the circles, he has an enormous contract(mostly a bonus, Same for Peverley), he was not even close to existing in the playoffs, if he isn't scoring than he has no value to a team, Loui Eriksson will score 20-30 goals, he scores them all in front of the net, he is a good two-way player, he is tough, he is a good person and will not give the B's a headache off the ice, He is in his prime when Seguin is a few years away, Morrow is a pretty good prospect who could crack the roster sooner than later while Dougie Hamilton is growing into his body. All around I love it and it was a ballsy move from Chairelli and an Eriksson, Bergeron, Marchand line is going to be impossible to score on.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 11, 2013 19:31:42 GMT -5
Not much of a Bruins post but Kovulchuk at age 30 just seriously retired from the NHL with $77 million left on his contract. Wow!
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Post by texs31 on Jul 12, 2013 7:15:46 GMT -5
I'm guessing the KHL is in his future where he'll be making up that money and more.
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