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Post by cologneredsox on Apr 19, 2016 2:58:59 GMT -5
Suddenly, this PawSox team has a lot of talent on it ... Also, Espinoza beats out Owens, 3 hits to 5. My man Hank let me down. I told him to only give up 3 hits. At least Espinoza listened to me. I take all the Ks, though.
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Post by cologneredsox on Apr 18, 2016 12:15:39 GMT -5
Follow up question: who gives up more walks, Owens tonight or Espinoza+Raudes over the next two weeks? Owens.
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Post by cologneredsox on Apr 18, 2016 6:47:40 GMT -5
Who gives up fewer hits today, Espinoza or Owens? It'll be a tie. 3 hits each!
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Post by cologneredsox on Apr 13, 2016 7:24:50 GMT -5
Happy Owens/Espinoza day everybody!
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Post by cologneredsox on Apr 7, 2016 7:01:18 GMT -5
Not sure "stupid" is the word I'd choose there, but I agree with the sentiment. I would. Panic after two games is stupid. This is beginning exactly like last year. I don't get how someone can freak out after two games. I've got no clue if somebody of our players looked bad or helpless so far, since I've never played myself and haven't far enough knowledge. But given the circumstances (beginning of the season, cold weather, some real good pitchers on the Indians), this complaining not only feels absurd, it feels downright laughable.
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Post by cologneredsox on Apr 1, 2016 4:44:43 GMT -5
Nice read once more! Thanks Matt!
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Post by cologneredsox on Mar 31, 2016 18:51:55 GMT -5
We're now one step closer to achieving the All-Travis corner infield. That makes me think we should trade for Devon Travis, too...
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Post by cologneredsox on Mar 30, 2016 2:55:00 GMT -5
If he got slimmer, would a switch back to SS be an option? He's not a very good defender at 3B right now, so no chance. Had nothing to do with the body. Ah, ok, thanks. In the article it seems like his problems defensively result from his switch to 3rd base. But I thought it was a long shot.
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Post by cologneredsox on Mar 29, 2016 15:56:12 GMT -5
If he got slimmer, would a switch back to SS be an option?
I totally forgot how young he is. Compared to Benintendi for instance he still has time to find himself. Awesome read, Matt really nails them these days
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Post by cologneredsox on Mar 28, 2016 8:00:27 GMT -5
That really freaks me out. I'm from Germany, 31 years old and never played baseball in my life. But I've known the advanced metrics for about at least 5 years now. Just because I'm interested in the sport and in the red sox and read as much as I can about it. And there are two guys who love baseball, make enormous amounts of money off of it and are the same age or even younger. How is it possible they're not into this stuff??? I guess they don't read anything about baseball or go on message boards for in depth discussions about stats? I don't know. Teams should probably start teaching classes as part of their development because I'd have to imagine that it's more helpful to focus on execution instead of results on a personal level. They're also professional baseball players because of their athletic ability, not their intelligence or scope of academic work. Sure, that might be it. I guess I just think they love what they're doing. And don't you want to know anything about it then? The ironic thing is: they might even be better by not caring to much about it, if I think about it.
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Post by cologneredsox on Mar 28, 2016 7:39:36 GMT -5
That really freaks me out. I'm from Germany, 31 years old and never played baseball in my life. But I've known the advanced metrics for about at least 5 years now. Just because I'm interested in the sport and in the red sox and read as much as I can about it. And there are two guys who love baseball, make enormous amounts of money off of it and are the same age or even younger. How is it possible they're not into this stuff???
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Post by cologneredsox on Mar 24, 2016 11:55:27 GMT -5
Guerra in front of Margot and Benintendi... They sure seem to love shortstops...
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Post by cologneredsox on Mar 8, 2016 18:21:27 GMT -5
It sucks. Hopefully he'll learn from it and won't be out to long. The Speier article about him only made me more optimistic about his potential and now this...
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Post by cologneredsox on Mar 8, 2016 18:20:13 GMT -5
Apparently Boras is in town. Rob Bradford @bradfo 1h1 hour ago Hanley Ramirez has walked down path Xander Bogaerts may find himself traversing very soon. bit.ly/1ROusaE Anyone else notice this about Hanley: Some things never change. Yup, I did. But really, I wouldn't think to much into it. What we all from time to time forget is that Hanley never really was criticized by one of his teammates since he joined us. I still think we see him way to critical, only because he's a little bit goofy. Manny was like that (even more) but he was one of the best hitters ever and a hard worker. So we should not only judge him for loosing two gloves but acknowledge that he still made it very far from less then ideal circumstances. Hoping for a big season from him, being healthy and decent defensively.
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Post by cologneredsox on Mar 8, 2016 8:59:17 GMT -5
Has anyone any information how fast Owens was throwing? thanks in advance!
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Post by cologneredsox on Mar 3, 2016 9:32:07 GMT -5
What are you arguing about? It's not his decision, so what? And I don't agree, he just said that in his opinion Kelly deserves a shot. As if it'd matter who we think should make the team?! Ohh I have no problems with it. I was just pointing out that there was people saying it. I was by no means taking any shots at anyone, especially Eric. Which is also my first name. What Phil said. And don't get me wrong, I enjoy many of your posts, but this debate here - at this point at least - is really a dead one with nothing new to it. I'd be thankful though if someone has information how Owens and Johnson were doing yesterday. So far I coudn't get any video, while I was very happy about the 5 Ks from Hank, there where some baserunners. I know, it's just spring training, but I just can't get enough infomation and can't wait for the season to start...
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Post by cologneredsox on Mar 3, 2016 9:23:43 GMT -5
I think people have generally said that scouting is more important than stats in spring training. I also interpret the general point of view that the 8-1 stretch pretty much made him the front runner. I don't see anybody that said he's guaranteed the slot no matter how bad he looks. I think you need to read most of Eric's posts then. I think he's a good poster but he made it a point to say that Kelly is pretty much guaranteed the job out of spring training. What are you arguing about? It's not his decision, so what? And I don't agree, he just said that in his opinion Kelly deserves a shot. As if it'd matter who we think should make the team?!
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Post by cologneredsox on Mar 2, 2016 8:13:53 GMT -5
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Post by cologneredsox on Feb 29, 2016 14:13:50 GMT -5
I'm really one of the biggest Owens-supporters here and Eric - like many others - have been on his bandwagon as well. And it bothers me as well that it looks like Owens will start in Pawtuckett and not in Boston. But it holds true: Kelly has earned another chance. And judging from what he's shown in his last ten starts he might be as underrated as I think Owens is. If we're right about both and they have the ability to perform to standards which right now look like a better than best scenario, let's not make one or two month to big of a deal. Realisiticaly bith will be pitching (and starting) in the majors this year, hopefully for us. To make a fuzz about whom of them deserves it more just doesn't feel right, espeacially when the argument includes that one of both is a weakness. Both have obviously huge potential but huge question marks, too. I'd write neither off, which is whar you're doing with Kelly, while the others aren't denying that Owens has huge potential and upside, too. I guess that's what makes this discussion a bit uncomfortable. I'm not writing off Kelly as a pitcher. I just don't want to see him starting. I don't see the upside everyone else sees when Kelly pitches. Given the fact there has been a reasonable effort on explaining why and where there is reason for upside for Kelly as a starter, this then seems to be a dead discussion.
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Post by cologneredsox on Feb 29, 2016 9:34:38 GMT -5
Kelly's ERA for the season was 4.82. His career ERA is under 4. Besides, Eric did talk about the first half of the year...he quoted SIERA, which is an extrapolated value stripped of park and fielding effects. Basically, it says Kelly had a lot of rotten luck last year. He certainly wasn't helped by a BABIP of .320, either. And you're basing your assessment of him as "terrible" on a few weeks at the end of 2014 (when he actually wasn't that bad, but was coming off of injury), and a terrible first two months of 2015, when he had a ton of rotten luck and a terrible defense behind him. And, you discount his 8-1 run completely, despite a much improved ERA, SIERA, and other peripherals, *despite* a BABIP of over .330 (career value: about .290 before last season). So your entire argument against Kelly is basically predicated on a crummy half-season and some injury troubles. It's just very unconvincing, and comes across as irrational. In Boston in 35 games he has a seasons full of starts in a year and half. I can go through how hard he's been hit and how many walks he's given up in that span if you want. I don't really care what Kelly has done in the weak NL central back then pitching for a pitcher's park while getting 2-3 free outs a game pitching to pitchers either. While he's been in Boston he has a seasons full of starts while being here in a year and a half, he has given up a lot of contact and walks, he has been a below average starting pitcher. Not "terrible" okay not a good use of adjectives but really not good either, or mediocre, or bad. I like Kelly but only out of the bullpen because he can actually increase his value that way if you want to stop thinking along the ways of WAR and BWAR for a minute. Putting him in the bullpen would increase his future performance possibly while uping his trade value through the market. The market is paying top dollar in terms of trade throughout the trade market for relievers. Having 2-3 years of a good Kelly in the bullpen would be really valuable and more valuable than as a back end starter with all the recent trend and trades for bullpen pieces lately- The MgGee trade. The Kimbrel trade. Chapman could of gotten a good package if traded last trade deadline. The Andrew Miller deal. The Giles trade. Now let's look at back end rotation trades recently- The Wade Miley to Boston deal. Nathan Karns for one year of Logan Morrison and Brad Miller. Nathan Euvaldi for Martin Prado. The only two good deals was when Dave D. actually traded away some back rotation arms in Wade Miley for Smith and trading Porcello for one year of Cespedes with no pick attached. Those deals were either all had questionable returns or only decent returns (with the Smith trade looking good for the Sox and being the one exception). There's also increased value in having Owens start the year with the big league club for future performance. If he's growing and developing in the big leagues, then that also is a added bonus. I can take growing pains on a 24 year old learning to pitch in the big leagues. We already know Owens can get minor leaguers out. I think personally it's a waste to have him not developing in majors. I'm really one of the biggest Owens-supporters here and Eric - like many others - have been on his bandwagon as well. And it bothers me as well that it looks like Owens will start in Pawtuckett and not in Boston. But it holds true: Kelly has earned another chance. And judging from what he's shown in his last ten starts he might be as underrated as I think Owens is. If we're right about both and they have the ability to perform to standards which right now look like a better than best scenario, let's not make one or two month to big of a deal. Realisiticaly bith will be pitching (and starting) in the majors this year, hopefully for us. To make a fuzz about whom of them deserves it more just doesn't feel right, espeacially when the argument includes that one of both is a weakness. Both have obviously huge potential but huge question marks, too. I'd write neither off, which is whar you're doing with Kelly, while the others aren't denying that Owens has huge potential and upside, too. I guess that's what makes this discussion a bit uncomfortable.
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Post by cologneredsox on Feb 21, 2016 8:06:43 GMT -5
I can see jmei's hope: that Benintendi basically pulls a Conforto/Schwarber. I don't think it's particularly likely, but if he hits the cover off the ball (Mookie with more power), they maybe move Castillo +/- pitcher(s) at the deadline and put Benintendi in. Dunne's with you on Johnson. Let's hope we're all right and Rodriguez-Owens-Johnson form a three-headed lefty monster to anchor the staff for the next 5-10 years.
UTR minor league fear: Chavis is contact-hopeless. UTR minor league hope: Austin is Glori(o)us. Let's hope for a four-headed lefty monster to anchor the staff for the next 5 - 10 years (or at least David Price is around for 3 years if not 7.) What about Espinoza and maybe Kopech?
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Post by cologneredsox on Feb 12, 2016 6:50:08 GMT -5
Every time I decide to stop reading eric's posts do to the tude, he posts stuff like he's done in this thread, and I read on. When I read Eric's posts I feel like I'm back in grad. school, soaking up the pearls of a wise prof who not only knows alot and presents it well, but does so because he has been there. Eric also takes the cake for getting serious conversation going among the rest of the cognicenti on this board. With all the skepticism he's confronted with most of the time it's sure refreshing an a big treasure that he never grows tired of supplying all his hard work and sharing it with us. I get that he's not allways right with his prognosis but it sure is not common to get prognosis with that much data as a fundament. The thing about Owens fastball movement is clompetly new to me and I'm sucking in all info I get about the guy for 3+ years now...
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Post by cologneredsox on Feb 9, 2016 8:34:45 GMT -5
I'd like to add two things we've been discussing about Owens last season while he was still at Pawtuckett:
First: He got better. The best way to see this is looking at the BBs. He clearly was having troublw with FB-command and if I recall right, he used his change much less on purpose compared to his seasons in the lower minors. That he was able to get better while continuing to throw with a limited repertoire gives me hope that he kept improving.
Second: If I remember right he was - at least at times - trying to pitch to contact to get deeper into games. That in part can decribe the loss in Ks, I think. Now we'll have to see if he'll be able to find a middle ground where he get's Ks while pitching deep into games. Judging from some of his starts, where he was elite in gaining swings-and-misses, it at least is not out of the picture. For me, his start against the Mariners is still fascinating: 10/1 K/bb while also giving up 10 hits. Recalling the report from Aöex Speier he was either making them look like children or getting crushed. The fascinating thing abpit him is the width between his floor and his ceiling. I won't stop dreaming about him getting at least a 2 for at least 2 more seasons.
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Post by cologneredsox on Feb 9, 2016 8:03:29 GMT -5
My under the radar fear is that JBJ and Castillo prove to be inadequate offensive players which forces the team to rely on Chris Young more than ideal. My under the radar hope is that Hanley stays healthy and engaged the whole season, hits 30 bombs and we can end all discussions as to who will replace David Ortiz. This, but let me add another utr hope: Henry Owens claims a starting spot early in the season and gives us at least a "3" season.
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Post by cologneredsox on Dec 4, 2015 7:39:01 GMT -5
Can David price help Owens become a better pitcher this spring? Can price help Owens find the consistentcy that Owens desperately needs to take the next step in his development? Actually my innitial hope was Henry upgrading Prices Changeup to help him hold value rather than blowing his arm off in the second half of his contract...
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