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Post by texs31 on Apr 27, 2024 13:15:41 GMT -5
Speaking of "talking", upon being drafted by the Bears, punter Tory Taylor got a text from new teammate Caleb Williams saying "Hey, you're not gonna punt too much here".
The old guy in me says these guys talk too much. But there is another part of me that says "Good on ya!"
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Post by texs31 on Apr 27, 2024 13:13:50 GMT -5
Baker certainly talks like a number 1.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 27, 2024 11:26:42 GMT -5
Layden Robinson, G, Texas A&M.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 27, 2024 8:14:34 GMT -5
Wouldn't surprise me if they take another WR. Seems to be potential starters at RB and IOL which are both positions of need (at least long term).
Many feel this is a shallower draft so, in other positions of need, there may be little difference between late round and UDFA.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 27, 2024 7:02:29 GMT -5
Wonder if they trade back one of these 4ths to bridge the gap (no 5th) or keep the 2 higher picks.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 27, 2024 6:59:07 GMT -5
On the surface, it feels like these guys were "reaches" in part bc they had teammates who were better (but also Top of the 1st rd talents).
Would Polk have been higher if Odunze wasn't there. Would Wallace have been higher if he hadn't had Fashanu on the left side.
They matched a riskier pick (Maye instead of one of the WRs or Alt) with safer picks. Were there honeruns on the board, sure? But, as UMass said, the hit doubles.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 26, 2024 20:44:23 GMT -5
Like Fisher/Alt, wonder if that had to do with Fashanu being there. Ht/Wt seems fine for LT. Though I'm also seeing some say he could contribute immediately at RT or G so maybe this has nothing to do with LT. UPDATE - Wolf just said they believe he can play LT so, there you go.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 26, 2024 20:40:16 GMT -5
Caedan Wallace, T, Penn State
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Post by texs31 on Apr 26, 2024 17:54:35 GMT -5
Reading a lot of Keon Coleman love despite poor run times.
Also, reports were that NE tried to trade up into 1st to get WR (Legette?). Or maybe one of the guys they like is still on the board.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 26, 2024 17:22:46 GMT -5
FWIW, none of the ESPN Guys, Brugler, PFF, ranked in that range. Only CBS had him at 67.
That being said, Jeremiah said team grades at this point are all over the map. Guys with 6th rd grades for some teams could be in play tonight for others. Thought teams generall agree on top 50 or so but then it varies drastically.
So who knows how long Baker will last.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 26, 2024 10:45:40 GMT -5
Probably true but I'm still wary.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 26, 2024 10:14:49 GMT -5
Josina Anderson tweeted that NE has had preliminary discussions on Deebo.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 26, 2024 8:53:03 GMT -5
Best WR left is McConkey. Others are Coleman, Mitchell, Wilson, and Franklin. OT's are Jones, Paul, and Amegadjie. If somehow they could trade for 2 picks in the 2nd round, they might get 2 of them. As I recall, the Pats traded their 2nd round pick to get Welker. Then their 4th to get Moss. So, anything's possible. Yeah, I was thinking of the 22 Trade where GB gave up 34 to Minny for 53 and 59. While Buffalo, Green Bay, Houston and Washington also have 2 2nds, the first of each of their picks is probably too high to get the 2nd. Philly does have 50 and 53 so that's close but there would have to be other exchanges of picks probably.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 25, 2024 21:36:37 GMT -5
Wolf saying they now might be looking to move around the board and collect more picks. Wouldn't shock me if they trade back from 34 to do so.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 25, 2024 20:28:16 GMT -5
Daaaamn. Broncos taking Nix at 12.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 25, 2024 20:12:55 GMT -5
Minnesota trading up a spot. Probably means JJ with NYJ's pick (make sure Den and LVR didn't jump, I suppose).
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Post by texs31 on Apr 25, 2024 20:05:56 GMT -5
WHOA!
Falcons taking Penix.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 25, 2024 19:30:31 GMT -5
Happy Maye Day!!!
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Post by texs31 on Apr 25, 2024 19:25:54 GMT -5
Come on Washington. COME ON. Daniels it is
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Post by texs31 on Apr 25, 2024 15:07:51 GMT -5
Not going to do my own mock but, after aggregating a bunch of other mocks (from the various ESPN, CBS, NFL reporters as well as Brugler - 17 mocks in total) and reading up on some intel from those (and other "reputable" outlets) here's what seems to be going on (with all the caveats and grains of salt that are required):
1. Bears - Caleb Williams 2. Commanders - Jayden Daniels 3. Patriots - Drake Maye (both the consensus in the referenced mocks as well as comments by Perry, Breer, etc) suggest that this is their guy and they are unlikely to move (sans a Godfather offer). The question is what happens if Washington takes Maye. Would they take Daniels? Take McCarthy? Trade down? 4. Cardinals - Marvin Harrison Jr. 5. Chargers - This seems to be the prime spot for our first trade with a team looking to move up for the last of the top 4 QBs. What's interesting is that some of the mocks have LAC taking JC Latham as the 1st tackle off the board. Would make more sense at, say 11. So let's say Minny moves up for McCarthy (giving up 11 and 25). 6. Giants - Assuming they can't move up (and it sounds like they would target Maye), mocks suggest they like Nabers 7. Titans - If Alt gets past Chargers, he likely goes here. 8. Atlanta - Another interesting turning point for the draft? They are poised to get the best defensive player on the board but some are split on whether (for them) that's Turner or Byron Murphy II (who has come up a bunch here). Could they trade down (maybe with someone who wants to get ahead of Chicago or NYJ for one of the last upper echelon skill players in Odunze or Bowers)? Let's stick with the board and say they take Turner here but keep an eye out. 9. Bears - If the draft goes as above, Odunze (who some believe is only a hair behind Nabers and 1 1/2 behind MHJ) falls into their lap. Otherwise, they could go D. 10. Jets - The "consensus" suggest Bowers but have heard/read about WR. 11. Chargers - Could still get 2nd best OT. As stated above, they have interest in Latham (keeping Slater at LT). 12. Broncos- Some Denver and Nix connections but would they really take him at 12 (some say yes) or trade back and get him later in 1st. Seems like another trade spot (maybe someone coming up to get their choice of CB). Otherwise, they could go D themselves. 13. Raiders- Strong LVR and Penix connection with rumors that they would take him at 13. 14. Saints - At this point in the draft, it's not often you get such a "consensus" on a Team/Player/Spot connection but a lot of Fashanu here based on the referenced mocks. 15 - Colts with the last team for this exercise (don't want to through them all) I'll just say there is talk they want to move up for a WR. These mocks also suggest it's a worst case scenario for Bowers.
That's probably enough on pick by pick stuff. 2 other Team/Player connections coming from this exercise are Green Bay and Cooper DeJean and AD Mitchell and Buffalo (who definitely seem to target a WR).
Some other commentary about OT and WR (since NE would likely want one of those at their next pick:
Thomas seems a lock as 1st with Mitchell likely as well. Worthy (is he an X?) about 50% likely gone. The other WRs that NE could target using their 2nd pick (or a trade up) include McConkey, Coleman and Legette. Otherwise, are we looking at later in the draft?
As to OT, there will likely be a run. Alt, Fashanu and Latham have already been discussed. Fautanu (maybe a T) and Fuaga seem likely to be Top 20. Mims and Guyton seem to bottom out as late 1st rounders. So if NE wants of these guys, it's likely gonna need a trade up. Suamataia, Paul (late riser), Morgan and Rosengarten are next best?
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Post by texs31 on Apr 25, 2024 14:15:52 GMT -5
For those who care about such things, Onwenu will be announcing NE's 2nd Rd pick tomorrow night.
With Troy Vincent set to announce their 2nd (he's running the draft so will announce for any team not having a Legend or Active player announcing) I would imagine they just have Onwenu announce their 3rd if NE should happen to move back up into the 1st tonight.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 25, 2024 8:31:55 GMT -5
Reiss indicating that NE is looking into the price of moving up from 34. Also saying they are in continued negotiations with Barmore on an extension.
If NE walks away from this weekend with Maye, a 1st round caliber WR/OT (either by moving up or by one dropping to them) another starting candidate at whichever they didn't take with their 2nd pick AND an extended Christian Barmore? Holy cow!
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Post by texs31 on Apr 25, 2024 5:46:09 GMT -5
Happy Draft Day!!
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Post by texs31 on Apr 24, 2024 14:08:15 GMT -5
When were those lists updated?
Understand the late rise concern but if there wasn't legit reason for guys to climb, than evaluations of players would've stopped a long time ago.
Has to be some middle ground between a late rise and sticking with an evaluation based on observations from months ago.
Again, you watch these guys more than I do so are MUCH better equipped to do your own evals (even if I watched them, I wouldn't know what I was seeing 1/2 the time). But people I trust do and they have the guy in that range so it's a reasonable scenario for me. Not for you? That's fine.
EDIT - And sure, there are probably a number of guys you could put in at that pick and I would also post that "I don't hate it" (as I did with this mock).
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Post by texs31 on Apr 24, 2024 11:17:26 GMT -5
Tipman at 137? Can you say Dalton Keene? His production over 3 years equal total what he should have in one year to get picked that high. Yes he's a great athlete, better than Keene given his size, but has almost no catching production. His teammate Isaiah Williams slot WR is the guy you want from that program, kinda reminds me of Edelman. I've done enough mocks to know the value of the talent available at 137, it's very good. Falls off a cliff by pick 180. Still you'd have a hard time saying Tipman is great value at pick 180. That's just such a Bill pick, guys excited to play special teams. I just don't see how Tipman at 137 is a dream scenario. Heck a lot of those picks are picking guys early, not getting great value picking them latter. I can get on board with a bunch of them because I love the combination of Baker and Means to rebuild the X position. General rule of thumb, you don't overdraft a guy at a position in this draft that's rated the worst in the whole draft. Sorry still having flashbacks of trading up for Keene. Yeah but not having to trade up to get him = Win? (that's a joke). All seriousness, as you know, I'm not a talent evaluator (nor do I play one on TV) so I'm happy to rely on the "experts" out there. Of the ESPN guys, Kiper (not in Top 150) and Reid (172) would seemingly agree with you. Otherwise: Miller - 138 Muench - 125 Yates - 108 Add in: Jeremiah - 125 Brugler - 142. I don't know. That smells right to me. Will you be right? Will they? I don't know. But for this exercise, I'm good with it.
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