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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 28, 2015 22:00:46 GMT -5
So what exactly is the point, since they made a mistake with Lester they should not do what it takes going forward? The mistake would be saddling the team with a contract for a pitcher through age 37. Assuming the contract is a little back loaded and using the 7 year / $235 million number people are tossing around as an estimate, you'd be paying Price approximately $120 million for the seasons during which he'll turn 35, 36 and 37. Seriously, where have our standards gone? A heap of last place finishes is not a standard lol. They know they're punting on 3 of Price's 7 years. Luckily the really good 3-4 years will line up with some of our youngster's primes. This where you most often see the disconnect between actual businessman and mindless internet peons who play armchair GM with another man's team and money. The complete inability to read the market and also the inability to realize that many baseball decisions are actually business decisions. They need an immediate uptick in performance and relevance, and a David Price contract is something that accomplishes that. With tickets going on sale right after the Winter Meetings, look for the Sox to be HUGELY active at the meetings.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 28, 2015 21:36:48 GMT -5
Ray Searage is totally going to put Allen Webster together, isn't he. Webster needs a confidence coach or orthopedic spine transplant surgeon, not a pitching coach.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 28, 2015 21:34:24 GMT -5
More trouble for Puig, who's digging himself enough holes that it's hard to keep track of them. He pushed his sister around according to witnesses - then got into it with the club bouncer. This is interesting as the LA Times story changed within minutes. That probably reflects the fact that the report, from TMZ, is itself changing minute by minute. This was current as of 8:12 Pacific time: Ah, Miami: which begs the question of how far it has to go before mutual combat turns into something else. I know the Sox are looking for a right-handed power-hitting outfielder, and this guy is getting cheaper by the minute, but I'm not so sure... I think you're going to see the Sox avoid junky character guys like the plague, regardless of any value represented in signing them. The Hanley/Pablo deals have left a lot to be desired effort wise, so I can't see them even entertaining the thought of Puig.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 26, 2015 23:56:53 GMT -5
Can Castillo stay healthy for an entire season? If he goes down, does Hanley go back into left field? They'd have to be pretty thin for Hanley to make the move back. We'll see Shaw there before Hanley.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 25, 2015 19:12:39 GMT -5
With the Brewers in need of a rebuild - I wonder if this would once again be an option. But I'm not really sure what the value would be at this point. Maybe Rusney Castillo and Marco Hernandez for Braun? Brewers lose $37 million of payroll over the next 5 years, get younger in the OF and get competition for Segura Red Sox improve the offense/team and can hide much of Brauns shortcomings in LF. I'm assuming the Red Sox blow past the luxury tax anyway. Hasn't been discussed in a while - so just throwing it out there. (Braun would have to pass a physical after offseason back surgery of course) I'd probably try to make it a larger deal and get one of Smith, Jeffress, Blazek to round out the pen. Think they'd need more than Castillo and Hernandez though (even for Braun). They'd be losing some big time star power.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 25, 2015 16:49:01 GMT -5
If David Price could win a Cy Young Award while sharing a dugout with walking human pile of excrement Luke Scott, I don't think Sully Fitzpatrick on a carphone from the Lower Mills is going to bother him much. We'll see. He's mentioned it before. Could it be a ploy to get more money? Sure. Could he legit not like Red Sox fans? Sure.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 25, 2015 14:21:27 GMT -5
Really really really hope you're right. Only thing that worries me is we haven't ever heard him say he would actually *want* to pitch in Boston He'd be welcomed with open arms holding big bags of cash, just like every other free agent. This isn't like Tom Brady going to the Jets. He gets lambasted with racist vitriol constantly from Sox fans on twitter. I'm simply saying, it's not a slam dunk. Read Rosenthal's latest article, it doesn't exactly bid a rosy picture for Sox fans unless they feel like going to 240 million.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 25, 2015 14:05:42 GMT -5
Also the White Sox signed Alex Avila to a year deal. Probably doesn't hurt their interest in Swihart if a trade for Sale or Quintana comes back up later in the offseason tho
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 25, 2015 13:40:11 GMT -5
So Gammons saying DD loves Price and is expected to outbid other teams by 30-40 million. I can't imagine a situation where that wouldn't be enough but... Really really really hope you're right. Only thing that worries me is we haven't ever heard him say he would actually *want* to pitch in Boston
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 25, 2015 3:04:02 GMT -5
There's a difference between being the highest bidder, and having to blow another team out of the water, is all I'm saying. That's assuming other teams are even willing to go the distance for Price. If Boston are all in then I can't imagine them not being willing to blow other offers out of the water, they are the only club linked to Price that actually can. Remains to be seen, but I'd be surprised if Price didn't go to the highest bidder in the end. Cubs are aiming at creating their own network by 2020 or "maybe before". They've got Maddon in the driver's seat and a host of young under control players. Yankees are sleepers, but are always flush with cash. Dodgers are rumored to want to reduce payroll and get younger, but I would never be naive enough to count them out. Nationals, Giants, Angels, Tigers all are big payroll clubs too. Am merely saying that outbidding another team by 30 million might not exactly be easy, especially when everyone considers 7/200 the baseline. John Henry may have opened his wallet, but we'll see what happens when he actually gets a figure.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 25, 2015 2:50:24 GMT -5
There's a difference between being the highest bidder, and having to blow another team out of the water, is all I'm saying.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 25, 2015 2:47:47 GMT -5
No, he really didn't. So far we've heard he likes the NL, the Cubs, and he's said multiple times he likes Toronto. If the Cubs offer 7/210, are we really going to offer 7/240? Or 8/240? It sounds like if the Cubs bid 7/210 and we bid 7/215 he'd probably choose the Cubbies.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 25, 2015 2:40:31 GMT -5
Here's some comments Price's agent had re: him and DD's talks when DD was with the Tigers:
McKinnis also shot down the notion that the sides haven't had discussions since Opening Day.
"To say we've had no talks would be incorrect," McKinnis said. "We have had talks. It was just very evident that we were coming from different places in the very beginning.
"There's no doubt the Tigers would like to keep him. And I do believe they're going to make an effort to bring him back this winter. Now that may or may not happen. But it was evident they wanted to keep him and we expressed a desire to stay, as well. But we were coming from two different positions from the beginning and the talks just never really took off from there."
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 25, 2015 2:39:28 GMT -5
Price is going to whoever offers him the most money, it's that simple. Has he said that before?
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 25, 2015 0:50:09 GMT -5
Okay found some, hopefully he's just a twitter psychopath!
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 25, 2015 0:38:53 GMT -5
Anybody got any links to that incarcerated bob guy getting reports wrong? I know he probably deletes them if he does throw out tons of reports, but so far all I can find is him nailing stories consistently early. Cruz, Granderson, Beltran, Lester, Cespedes...
You would think there would be some record of the reports he failed at, if he is indeed throwing out a mass amount of rumors and seeing which stick.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 25, 2015 0:28:24 GMT -5
I mean Price did go on record to John Tomase telling him about the vitriol and racist crap Red Sox fans have thrown his way on twitter. And how he wants to go somewhere where he's beloved by the entire fanbase and not only a part of it. Toronto clearly loves him. I'd find it hard to believe that Toronto fans were all pro David Price on Twitter etc. with his 6+ ERA in the postseason last year. Players are going to get crap on something like Twitter wherever they go. I'd be fairly stunned if Price goes anywhere but who offers him the most money, unless it's a small difference and it's a top tier team offering slightly less than a bottom end team He's gushed constantly about Toronto, and it's been reported by Robert Murray at Baseball Essential that he informed his people Toronto is his first choice. Could it be posturing? Sure. But he has also been very pro Toronto for quite some time now. Toronto can spend the money if they want. I'm sure Shapiro wants to make his mark after the Anthopoulos fiasco. Fans would forget that pretty quick with a Price signing.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 25, 2015 0:12:31 GMT -5
I mean Price did go on record to John Tomase telling him about the vitriol and racist crap Red Sox fans have thrown his way on twitter. And how he wants to go somewhere where he's beloved by the entire fanbase and not only a part of it.
Toronto clearly loves him.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 24, 2015 23:24:05 GMT -5
@incarceratedbob on twitter is reporting that the Jays and Price are hammering out details on a contract to keep him in Toronto. He hit on Lester last year well before anyone else, and also hit on Cruz and Cespedes. Sounds like he's also gotten some reports wrong, but haven't had time to scroll through his timeline enough yet. Incarcerated Bob is as fake as it comes. Just google search his name. That report is completely fabricated and means nothing. When will people learn? He throws out shit, hopes it sticks, if it doesn't he'll hedge his tweet, and then claim he got it right either way. Well that's what I'm trying to find, does anyone have any records of reports he's failed on? Price to Jays would be in keeping with what Price has said is his first choice. So it's both obvious that it's the easy choice for this Bob fellow to throw out and hope to get more followers, and it also wouldn't be surprising if it did happen.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 24, 2015 23:16:54 GMT -5
@incarceratedbob on twitter is reporting that the Jays and Price are hammering out details on a contract to keep him in Toronto.
He hit on Lester last year well before anyone else, and also hit on Cruz and Cespedes.
Sounds like he's also gotten some reports wrong, but haven't had time to scroll through his timeline enough yet.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 24, 2015 19:50:10 GMT -5
I'm puzzled by the "unbelievable amount of money to spend". I thought calculations left them with around $30m, less than that now with Kimbrel. Unless they've decided to bust through the threshold, which would really be a change in philosophy for this ownership. We've become the Yankees! At least it's great during the hot stove, you get linked to everybody. Given some quotes from ownership and DD, I think the possibility of blowing the threshold right now is a definitely possibility. Last place finishes + ownership with $ can easily equal a change in financial philosophy I'm not even sure it's a change in financial philosophy. (outside of the pitchers over 30 thing). They've gone over in the past, and have stretched for FA in the past as well, for example: The 2006-2007 offseason. Coming off 2 ehh seasons, Sox went out and got Dice-K, Okajima, Pineiro, Romero, Lugo, JD Drew, a pretty active and expensive offseason.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 24, 2015 19:46:25 GMT -5
I'm puzzled by the "unbelievable amount of money to spend". I thought calculations left them with around $30m, less than that now with Kimbrel. Unless they've decided to bust through the threshold, which would really be a change in philosophy for this ownership. We've become the Yankees! At least it's great during the hot stove, you get linked to everybody. The revenue they lose from a bad team far outweighs luxury tax implications. I don't know if I'd really call it "busting through". They'll be over, and they've done it in the past. The limit jumps up another 10 mill for 2017 so the amount they're over in 2016 might be more reasonable come 2017.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 24, 2015 16:51:36 GMT -5
Where are you hearing that? He just made it up. -1 to credibility. Just checked my experian report and my credibility score remains unchanged. Phew. Close call.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 24, 2015 14:07:12 GMT -5
It sounds like Margot and Guerra are being flipped for Carrasco with another few guys thrown in. Uh oh Where are you hearing that? The collective inner thought processes of the paranoid sox prospects members
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 24, 2015 13:58:35 GMT -5
Joel Sherman @joelsherman1 7m7 minutes ago Dombrowski said “no plan in place for (Hanley) to play Winter Ball.” Said been discussed in past, but “presently this is only a rumor” Wait, wut? This is from the ESPNDeportes article so the translation isn't perfect but there are direct quotes from Hanley in it: Sounds like it just hasn't been finalized yet
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