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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 5, 2019 21:14:00 GMT -5
Well that should wrap up this season, between the A's winning, this game, and the Price injury.
You're now watching for your own torture, pleasure, or whatever. This season is officially over.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 5, 2019 18:17:48 GMT -5
Sale, who had averaged 5.6 WAR per year, gave us 2.2 WAR this year, and the Sox have still been a 100 talent-win team after the slow start.
Rick Porcello has alternated good and bad years for six years now. In 2014-2015 he averaged 2.2 WAR per year. In 2016-2017 he average 2.2 WAR per year. In 2018 and 2019 he's fallen off dramatically and projects to only average 2.1 WAR.
So the "no great loss" was exactly the contribution from Sale whose absence you think is both likely, and which would warrant punting the season.
You talk as if every MLB pitcher isn't a question mark. It's absolutely true that for all their extraordinary talent, not one of Sale, Price, Eovaldi, or E-Rod have been consistently healthy and/or have pitched up to their potential. Note that we got 100 wins worth of talent with essentially nothing from Eovaldi, and with Porcello having one of his down years; they've combined for 0.8 WAR. This roster is insanely talented now. Your attitude is, well, we can't be certain that everyone will be as good as we reasonably expect, so let's blow it up!
My attitude is that the question of the health of the rotation is the issue, and the most important issue that no one can't derive from. Not performance. I'm not playing Russian roulette on this rotation and risking everything for one year. Chris Sale's medium projection shouldn't be 0 wins next year, but it *could* be with the questions of the elbow. Eovaldi is always hurt. Price is coming off a injury right now and is currently topping out at 90 mph again. Porcello is gone. You don't have a 5th starter. Mata is your only pitching depth at the moment. Hello, hello!! Thanks for blocking me, I'll agree to disagree from here because you don't see it from my side. Now Price is back on the IL. That's two starting pitchers who are going to end the year on the IL most likely and people want to keep Mookie for one year and go for it in 2020 knowing this?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 5, 2019 16:47:50 GMT -5
Gorkys is in lineup again. Absurdity LOL, ya the Sox have totally given up on JBJ with LHP.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 5, 2019 8:54:46 GMT -5
This is the reason (latest game. He is among the very best in all of baseball.) you keep Betts regardless if you lose him the following year though I doubt he and JDM can be afforded while remaining under the cap. If Sox can then all they need are three players to come through which isn't an unreasonable expectation. Sale, Eovaldi and Benintendi. Can anyone say Sale is "done?" Same with Eovaldi. They can't. As for Beni -- we've heard potentially he could lead the league in hitting when he was in minors or his 1st year etc. This year while he is pretty good / good -- I think he can be much more. His power this year very disappointing. He doesn't even look stronger. You get these 3 guys to perform well- they don't need to be great but they can be-- then the Sox are a threat to anyone. I do think however Pedro has a point though. There may be a team or two who is willing to pay a bit for a superstar for 1 year. For example -put yoursefl in the Dodgers shoes historically. If they don;t win yet again it would be 21 years. It's not like the Dodgers would give up "a lot" but in order to be favored "to win it all" they could give up "enough." If they don't win it all this year will they be favored next year? They have had super farm systems for last several years but haven't won it all. Betts gives them the best offense in all of baseball. -- And this year they have the best pitching. Though I prefer to keep Betts. See what Sale, Eovaldi and Beni can do. Good point, you and Pedro. For a team like the Dodgers, it would make sense to get Betts to rome CF for 1 season and see if they can be the highest bidders. They have the Alex Verdugos of the world and some pitching they can trade. My guess is it wouldn't feel like enough - it would be like "Hey we're not getting Gavin Lux, so..." or whatever. It would be a nice trade package but one that doesn't feel like it was enough or a rip-off. So I think you're correct. The Dodgers are definitely a team that can take that shot. And there might be some others. It only takes 1 team. Like you, I'd prefer they keep Betts and go for it. It means banking on Sale and Eovaldi bouncing back and making sure they have a capable replacement for Porcello. It can be a tough needle to thread if those things don't happen, but I'm at the point I'd like to see them try again. I'm thinking that too many things went right last year, too many things have gone wrong this year...maybe next year will be a middle ground and get them the extra 5 - 7 wins they need to make the playoffs. I would love to see the Mookie Betts extension really, but the player is already a year away. He's going to go to free agency unless the Sox go to the value he's seeking. I don't see that happening, so the Sox are in a impossible situation. The one year thing sounds insane when you have team control over Xander, Devers, Eduardo, Sale, Benintendi, Price and company for 3 years. Like that's a second window to keep winning.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 5, 2019 4:54:55 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 5, 2019 4:49:52 GMT -5
At least there is some light at the end of the tunnel. Eduardo has stepped up and is looking like a extension candidate. Still skeptical of his durability season to season, but he's a solid number 3 starter now, when he was a backend starter in the past. He's in his prime and he's probably the only certain in a uncertain rotation future.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 4, 2019 22:57:54 GMT -5
The A's winning by a good amount. Cleveland won. Hey, the Sox gained on Tampa Bay because they didn't play. Positivity!!
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 4, 2019 21:34:13 GMT -5
Lol I mean, I could call Brasier a bum too, but I won't get into that discussion again.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 4, 2019 21:08:35 GMT -5
Indians winning. Rays idle. Oakland about to be underway. No good news.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 4, 2019 21:03:22 GMT -5
Mookie being 2018 Mookie tonight.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 4, 2019 19:36:25 GMT -5
Have a game already, Mookie.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 4, 2019 19:31:19 GMT -5
LOL at your standards and how and where to tell people how to react and what to say. Constantly bashing people because they're critical and negative in any way. You can be a decent human being and still not care about what others think of what you have to say. I wish Porcello nothing but the best for himself and his family moving forward. No intent beyond the baseball performing part last night and this whole season. 8 people liked the post complaining about you being overly negative and you don't give a shit about any of them. This isn't just me. Wonderful.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 4, 2019 19:23:50 GMT -5
Why would I care about other's think about the clear reactionary posts from myself? There was a Park full of people agreeing with me last night. It was a clear fan reaction in the moment, with no intent behind it. There may be a large majority that don't agree with me on here, but there's a large majority that agrees with me out there. Clearly you don't care about others on this board. Why would you? You would if you're a decent human being? You should be complaining on Felger and Mazz or joining the drunk idiots at Fenway. This board had a higher standard before you got here. LOL at your standards and how and where to tell people how to react and what to say. Constantly bashing people because they're critical and negative in any way. You can be a decent human being and still not care about what others think of what you have to say. I wish Porcello nothing but the best for himself and his family moving forward. No intent beyond the baseball performing part last night and this whole season.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 4, 2019 18:26:11 GMT -5
There's a park full of people doing the same exact thing last night. It was deserved. Guy is one of the single reasons why the Sox won't make the postseason. He'll move on from it. No big deal. That's the best part of Fenway. They can get hostile when they need to. They can come up with a creative mock chant against the other team a lot. It's really pure and great emotion coming from that crowd. See, it's not just me? 8 likes on FTHW's post. You may not care about shitting on the board, but that's what it is and people other than me don't like it either. That's pretty lame that you don't care about anyone else's enjoyment but your own. Why would I care about other's think about the clear reactionary posts from myself? There was a Park full of people agreeing with me last night. It was a clear fan reaction in the moment, with no intent behind it. There may be a large majority that don't agree with me on here, but there's a large majority that agrees with me out there.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 4, 2019 15:11:48 GMT -5
Resorting to caling Porcello names is baseless, unwarranted and classless. Porcello has been praised as one of the leaders of the pitching staff and the team since his arrival. Everyone who has had contact with Porcello has extolled his work ethic,leadership and being a great teammate. Despite not having his best stuff this year he's taken the ball and given the Sox everything he had. Time to give that ball to someone else. He's failed and he knows it. Agree to disagree on the name calling. If that's the worst part that comes out of this, then Porcello has lived a great life and had a lot to talk about in his post career.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 4, 2019 14:34:51 GMT -5
Just a few really headscratching comments in this thread. Porcello sucked - and has pretty much all year. We are fans first and foremost - and we can be harsh critics. Period. Porcello is making more in one year than most of us will in our lifetime. I think - I should hope - he can handle some mean commentary!!!!!!!Ok, but he's not the one who has to handle it. He doesn't read these threads. It's not super enjoyable to read a ton of super negative, hostile posts. Particularly when they're so minimally insightful -- Porcello's been bad this year. Yeah, I was aware of that. LOL what a effort by Porcello in the middle of a wild card race. Get rid of this bum. I don't really understand how you can look at a guy who's clearly not having the season he wants to have or thinks he should be having, and respond with anger. Like why kick a guy when he's down? And yes, I'm aware that he gets paid a lot to do this. There's a park full of people doing the same exact thing last night. It was deserved. Guy is one of the single reasons why the Sox won't make the postseason. He'll move on from it. No big deal. That's the best part of Fenway. They can get hostile when they need to. They can come up with a creative mock chant against the other team a lot. It's really pure and great emotion coming from that crowd.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 4, 2019 6:02:52 GMT -5
Good. At least Fenway isn't going soft after all this winning over the last 15-20 years. A lot of people felt like me last night. Offended by that performance. They said probably the same things I said.
Yes. At least you own it. Too bad you couldn't help the Sox at all this year at any point, all when they needed just *something* out of you.
Ouch.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 3, 2019 22:05:51 GMT -5
Porcello's stats really are disgustingly ugly 28 starts, only 11 quality starts 153 IP, 177 hits, 28 HRs given up, 5.63 ERA. His 12-11 record is actually a bit of a miracle. They typically hit for him. He had a typical terrible performance and his ERA only went up .14 points. That shows you how bad he's been. Terrible performances don't even move the needle for his stats anymore because that's the norm.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 3, 2019 21:55:05 GMT -5
Blame Porcello. You can not say enough bad things about his performance tonight and all season.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 3, 2019 21:00:20 GMT -5
Devastating.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 3, 2019 20:43:27 GMT -5
Darwizon keeps shoving.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 3, 2019 20:41:31 GMT -5
Tampa split the double header. Cleveland is now losing. Like you need to come back here.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 3, 2019 20:21:58 GMT -5
He's having, no lie, the worst season I have ever seen from a full season from a starting pitcher by a Red Sox pitcher. Calling him a bum on the mound is putting it mildly this year. I have nothing against the guy, I'm just tired of seeing him pitch in this uniform. C'mon, you must remember John Lackey's 2011 season. It wasn't that long ago. He was pitching injured but that guy had an ERA above 6 and the league ERA and HR issues were nowhere near as bad as this season's. Maybe because when he got healthy in 2013 that's your memory of him - being the guy who won the clinching game of the Series? Otherwise how can you forget?! I remember Al Nipper being atrocious in 1986, Mike Torrez being lousy in 82. And plenty of lousy performances in between. Porcello's miserable season is in line with a lot of lousy miserable seasons that I've seen pitchers have for the Sox. Zane Smith in 1995 was a torch and there were a lot of guys who were replaced that didn't get a chance to be as awful full-time. Yeah, unless Porcello needs Tommy John surgery this year, there's really no excuse for Porcello. Lackey also didn't pitch the whole season either. I actually give him credit for gutting it out for that long.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 3, 2019 20:11:23 GMT -5
Porcello through 2 innings and 1 run with 47 pitches. Porcello is a joke this year. Get this bum off the mound. What a loser Porcello is. Right when you need him most. LOL what a effort by Porcello in the middle of a wild card race. Get rid of this bum. When a player performs like crap. Expect brushback. That's my advice to you. This much brushback? My advice to you is to stop posting drunk. Being drunk would have made this better. At least I would have been entertained. After a season of disappointment from this dude, after the worst performance I have ever seen, after trying to hold for any kind of a playoff come back, to see this happen is just me finally boiling over.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 3, 2019 20:02:52 GMT -5
When a player performs like crap. Expect brushback. That's my advice to you. I'm not much for calling players names, especially given the fact that when I look back at Porcello's time with the Sox it will be with fondness due to a Cy Young Award and coming through when it really mattered - like in 2018. Nothing has really mattered THAT much this season since TB and NYY took a sledge hammer to the season at the end of July/beginning of Aug. That said, while he doesn't deserve name calling, saying he has performed like crap is a very fair and accurate statement. I'm sure he'd agree. He's having, no lie, the worst season I have ever seen from a full season from a starting pitcher by a Red Sox pitcher. Calling him a bum on the mound is putting it mildly this year. I have nothing against the guy, I'm just tired of seeing him pitch in this uniform.
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