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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 27, 2019 10:21:11 GMT -5
It's a vesting option, not team option. It vests at 340, it becomes a player option at 360. Baseball Reference has it listed on his player page as a team option that vests under those conditions. Thought I saw the same thing on Cot's Baseball Contracts, but that site isn't working for me right now. Do you happen to have a link to where the parameters are outlined? Would be curious to see. Regardless, I'm not expecting huge things from Cashner at all, but $10M doesn't buy you much in the way of starting pitching these days. If they have the option to pick up a 1-year $10M contract for a starter that's not a bad way to go, but I'm not concerned one way or the other. www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/02/orioles-sign-andrew-cashner.htmlIt's a vesting option only at 340 innings. It becomes a player option only at 360 innings. No team option available.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 27, 2019 9:52:13 GMT -5
It wasn't big enough to destroy the planet. They're calling it a city-killer. Depends where it would have hit. For example, if it were to hit the Yellow Stone National Park, it could have set off the super volcano. Which would kill all life on earth. That's one of the theories that scientists came up with when the dinosaurs went extict. Not only did the astroid hit, it set off one of those super valconoes, or all of them lol (the earth was one big continent back in the dinosaur ages). There are 20 supervolcanoes known in the world. All miniscule chances, but a astroid that big hitting the planet is minuscule.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 27, 2019 9:40:02 GMT -5
Cashner is currently projected to go 11 starts the rest of the way through the season. That option is basically a afterthought.
He isn't getting to that option.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 27, 2019 9:18:26 GMT -5
The 10 million dollar vesting option is almost impossible for Cashner to reach.
He would need to make 12 more starts and average just over 6 innings a start.
Cashner is okay, but he's not going to be averaging 6 innings a start. His short season last year killed his chances of him getting that option.
That's probably good news for Cashner. He might get double that money if he keeps being a backend rotation guy the rest of the year.
I don't know if I want Cashner at 10 million dollars either. That's not great value. He could turn back into a pumpkin by next year. I'm really okay with what he gives the Sox the rest of the way through. It will be valuable.
Add- Cashner has been averaging just under 6 innings a start this year. 5 2/3 innings per start. Just under. Yeah, all math points to him being a free agent next year.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 27, 2019 9:08:09 GMT -5
Prado was a guy I’d been watching all season cuz I love me some hit tool CFs. He really seemed like “a guy” to me. I was pretty bummed that they traded him, but I love the trade. They *need* starting pitching (as opposed to a quality RP, which I think is a luxury), and even if Cashner is just so-so (roughly his career-avg), he’s a guaranteed certainty to be better than what they’ve trotted out. It’s almost impossible for him to not improve the team (hell, tonight’s win might’ve been worth it alone...and I’m only half-kidding). And with the velo bump from last year (sitting 91-93 to 93-94), ditching the sinker (which had been bad), suppressing HR (maybe real?)...he’s got actual upside. Like, *real* upside. He functionally shut down a great offense tonight, and pitched deep doing it. Like Jimed said...he could be the 4 come playoff time. He’s pitched to good #3 level this year. If he keeps that up (or gets amped up to be actually playing for something, and actually steps it up)...that’s a helluva guy to slot into your 5 position. Maybe he’s a pillow contract for next year. Or he’s so good he prices himself out of the Sox’s territory. And as sad as I am to see Prado go (20 bb, 21 k...tough to watch leave), it’s 5 years at best and more like 7 til we would’ve seen him. That’s a gamble you take. Cashner also has a team option for next year for $10M. If he continues to pitch effectively, I can see that getting picked up and Cashner sliding into Porcello's spot next year. It's a vesting option, not team option. It vests at 340, it becomes a player option at 360.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 27, 2019 6:51:57 GMT -5
Not baseball related, but I think we were all THIS close being put back into the dinosaur ages yesterday. At least the last day on earth would have come with the Sox beating the Yankees.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 27, 2019 6:49:42 GMT -5
OK, so I’m shamefully returning to GD threads. I admit the error of my ways. Welcome back to the dark side, buddy. There's nothing that brings back Red Sox fans together than the Sox making the Yankees look like a minor league team. Good times. Wouldn't be the same with you, my dude.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 26, 2019 21:18:17 GMT -5
Send him to the IL already. Velocity down, can't locate.
It's sad that Workman has to get in here.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 26, 2019 21:07:35 GMT -5
Don't people feel just a little bit better after outscoring the Yankees by 29-6 in 2 games? Why can't they win the division!!?!??!!!! They're still 10 losses behind the Yankees. Not impossible, but highly unlikely. Still good to beat up the Yankees so they don't secure home field advantage throughout the play-offs.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 26, 2019 19:58:39 GMT -5
Cashner with the start of his career, I think lol.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 26, 2019 19:25:40 GMT -5
Now I might be in love with you. LMAO.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 26, 2019 18:57:06 GMT -5
I love you Mookie Betts.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 26, 2019 18:54:29 GMT -5
Cashner with quality stuff and outperforming the Yankees "ace."
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 26, 2019 18:39:40 GMT -5
34 pitches for Paxton through 1 inning. Cashner 23 pitches through 2 innings.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 26, 2019 18:35:23 GMT -5
Cursed superstition! Yesterday I went and did chores when the Sox posted a quick 3 in the bottom of the first. I gotta go do something... You guys are in charge for a while. Go walk Soxfan67's dogs.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 26, 2019 18:25:40 GMT -5
Mookie!!! Man the Sox top 4 hitters are elite.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 26, 2019 15:32:20 GMT -5
Moreland has been limping around the bases since he returned from the injury too. He isn't all the way back from the injury yet and right now he's going to be a base clogger when he's on base.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 26, 2019 7:34:25 GMT -5
The best teams in the AL have better bullpens than the Sox. Cora is regularly stretching out Workman for multiple innings right now because he has no one else he can trust. I think I am seeing it from the Sox perspective. I thought I answered the Hembree thing the best I could? Also, the Red Sox perspective: www.mlb.com/redsox/news/red-sox-likely-to-stand-pat-at-trade-deadlineHeadline is a quote from Dombrowski - "There's not a lot of needs, per se". The opposite, you said. Dombrowski is a straight shooter, but he won't reveal everything. Like for example, he said that if the Sox didn't get contract extensions done by openening day, then they wouldn't drag it into the season. A week into the season, he gets Xander's extension done. Moral of the story is stay tuned with Dombrowski. He's dealing Dave for a reason. If he finds a reason to invest in this team, he will do it. Right now, this is a team worth investing in.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 26, 2019 6:30:22 GMT -5
Every deal that you hear that involves prospects, you get angry with. See Chris Sale thread in the trade forum- forum.soxprospects.com/thread/2352/chris-sale?page=6"I truly believe that they don't need to add another top end pitcher and if they do, it will kill them down the road. The key is to aim for as many 90 win seasons as possible. It is not to try to put together a team that can win 120 games." The 2018 Red Sox won 119 total games. So I guess that strategy actually paid off and the Sox didn't get crippled? Wow, you're really digging deep. I'm sure I can go through your post history and find some doozies but I couldn't be bothered. DFA'ing Workman for no reason whatsoever is right up there. But yeah, this team is struggling with a complete lack of depth in the high minors right now. They have no outfield depth so they're putting JDM out there way too often and they have no starting pitching depth so they've wasted about 10 games this year. Logan Allen would have been nice to have this year. And the thing is, you cannot buy that depth because anyone worth a damn is in the majors already. I only brought up that post to show how angry you get at prospect trades, not to make you look bad. How prospect trades don't actually kill you if it's for need. I am not regretting the Kimbrel trade. That was fun last year. Get me another guy like Kimbrel and give me another run like last year. I wouldn't look back at Dalbec (or whoever) at all if it got you even close to last year's result too. I know I get a lot of things wrong and that's okay too.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 26, 2019 6:05:38 GMT -5
OK so far, Yankee's bullpen has given up 7 runs and the Red Sox 0. (don't even try) Every deal that you hear that involves prospects, you get angry with. See Chris Sale thread in the trade forum- forum.soxprospects.com/thread/2352/chris-sale?page=6"I truly believe that they don't need to add another top end pitcher and if they do, it will kill them down the road. The key is to aim for as many 90 win seasons as possible. It is not to try to put together a team that can win 120 games." The 2018 Red Sox won 119 total games. So I guess that strategy actually paid off and the Sox didn't get crippled?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 26, 2019 5:01:14 GMT -5
Devers is doing Ted Williams things with the bat now.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 26, 2019 2:22:24 GMT -5
lol, I love this from Raffy from the Globe's story of tonight's game. Xander also mentioned how they push each other and try to one up each other, a little friendly competition. this is an actual quote: "My home run was 112 miles per hour and Bogie had 113," Devers said. "I need to swing harder. Maybe tomorrow." Lol Chavis had a funny quote too-
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 25, 2019 23:27:23 GMT -5
Glad the Sox have pretty much stamped themselves as buyers than sellers this year now. Throw the math of the red sox thread down the toilet now. Sorry, not sorry redsoxfan2. The Red Sox are the World Champions. No team could possibly want to face them come playoff time. The Yankees are largely a Joe Torre driven fraud. A team which thrives on a double standard and which is larded with steroid abusing charlatans. Bring on the robot balls and strikes calls. Let the grossly obese slobs and non-prospects argue with them. Latest example highlighted by Cora. This was a heck of a rant Patford. Lol.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 25, 2019 22:51:16 GMT -5
The Sox just put up 12 runs on the Yankees number 2 pitcher in their postseason rotation right now.
Please baseball gods give the Sox a wild card spot and let them face the Yankees again in the ALDS.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 25, 2019 22:19:29 GMT -5
Glad the Sox have pretty much stamped themselves as buyers than sellers this year now. Throw the math of the red sox thread down the toilet now. Sorry, not sorry redsoxfan2.
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