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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 25, 2019 21:23:22 GMT -5
I will praise Dombrowski if he gets the arm the Sox need. You absolutely ignore the value of Eovaldi and Darwinzon. Someday you'll learn. Also, the uptick of everyone in the bullpen might have something to do with Cashner's mediocre 5 and 6 inning starts that were normally 2 or 3. Cora ignored it too. Eovaldi might be needed in the rotation.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 25, 2019 21:16:48 GMT -5
Tell Cora that. He's the one listening and knows to bring him on slowly. Start blaming Cora instead of Dombrowski. I will praise Dombrowski if he gets the arm the Sox need.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 25, 2019 21:12:53 GMT -5
Someone convince pedrofan that Darwinzon needs higher leverage. Tell Cora that. He's the one listening and knows to bring him on slowly.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 25, 2019 21:01:59 GMT -5
Ahh. This is why it's risky to rely on rookies.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 25, 2019 20:04:02 GMT -5
Pour. It. On.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 25, 2019 19:53:10 GMT -5
Thank you Devers, you machine.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 25, 2019 19:01:25 GMT -5
I haven't been so down on a pitcher in a long time than Rick Porcello this year.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 25, 2019 18:57:41 GMT -5
No lead is safe from Porcello this year.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 25, 2019 18:51:23 GMT -5
You better not take the fun out of this game for me Porcello. You're are already on my bad side this year.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 25, 2019 18:48:26 GMT -5
Maybe the Sox found a tell and he’s tipping pitches? or maybe he is a low down dirty MFY and he is getting what he deserves against the defending World Champs !! Your posts are gold against the Yankees, Jerry. Lol.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 25, 2019 18:41:05 GMT -5
Man, this is all music to my ears. It feels like Christmas when you blow out the Yankees.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 25, 2019 17:56:28 GMT -5
The Red Sox aren't probably trading Hembree because he's worth more to them at this moment than what other teams probably value him at. Basically selling Hembree gets you no where and he's at least okay enough to be the last guy in a bullpen. Bad teams don't want Hembree if he helps even a little. They want to pay for pitchers to throw innings, maybe sell high on them and lose while doing so. A team like the Marlins can pay any Joe Smo to do that in free agency and give up nothing but a small amount of money and not trade anything to get that. Didn't really answer my question, did you? You're at least two full years on this tune and it's been 100% inaccurate the majority of the time you've been singing it. They won a record number of games last year and the World Series with comparable bullpen talent as this year. Bullpen had a down June this year, but that had as much to due with fatigue from carrying the starting rotation as anything else. And it's not like they missed a ton of opportunities to get better. The last time someone posted data, the vast majority of the top bullpen options from last offseason and the previous offseason were doing awful. Throwing money at a bullpen doesn't necessarily make it better. The bullpen deficiencies are largely a mirage because of how closely we all watch the games. Every other team in baseball has similar, if not worse, issues but because we don't see them we tend to overlook that it happens. The best teams in the AL have better bullpens than the Sox. Cora is regularly stretching out Workman for multiple innings right now because he has no one else he can trust. I think I am seeing it from the Sox perspective. I thought I answered the Hembree thing the best I could?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 25, 2019 17:48:51 GMT -5
Gardner was also put on the IL today. No Sanchez or Gardner. So maybe whoever replaces them will swing at pitches instead of bitching about every called strike. Lol I don't think I've met one Red Sox fan that respects or likes Bret Gardner. It'd be funny that in a series where Sanchez is killing the Sox, we'd be crapping on Gardner. I totally get it. Gardner is definitely my top 5 most hated MFY. No one tops this list than Jorge Pasada. I feel bad when players get injured, but I for to admit, I laughed for 5 minutes straight when I saw a ball hit him in his big fat nose running to first base that landed him on the DL back in the day.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 25, 2019 17:29:39 GMT -5
Max deal for Brown? I don't know. I kind of pause at that. You might be forced into doing that, but I wouldn't feel great about it. It would be borderline cringy to me, in fact.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 25, 2019 17:18:56 GMT -5
I overvalue every relief pitcher, nope. I see value as other teams see things. The last guy I'm asking for in trades is Heath Hembree if I'm the Marlins and I want to do deal Romo, in his example. You don't see it even remotely the way the Red Sox see it, do they not count? The Red Sox aren't probably trading Hembree because he's worth more to them at this moment than what other teams probably value him at. Basically selling Hembree gets you no where and he's at least okay enough to be the last guy in a bullpen. Bad teams don't want Hembree if he helps even a little. They want to pay for pitchers to throw innings, maybe sell high on them and lose while doing so. A team like the Marlins can pay any Joe Smo to do that in free agency and give up nothing but a small amount of money and not trade anything to get that.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 25, 2019 17:14:58 GMT -5
I’ll prob get yelled at, but what do you think it would cost for Thor? He makes $6 million this year and is arbitration eligible in 2020 and 2021...he’d be the immediate replacement for Porcello next year at what should be a much cheaper rate. I also think he desperately needs a change of scenery. I wouldn’t have a problem giving up 2 top prospects not named Mata or Casas and I’m sure they would want another piece or 2 but I’m a believer in MLB talent now as prospects always are tied to that word “potential”, most of which never make it. It's a tough question, because Casas and Mata would probably be it if the Mets were high on them. The simple answer is that the Sox aren't a match at this time. They need Mata more for 2021, too. Inexpensive starting quality pitching can save your team for a long time. Thor is about to get expensive.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 25, 2019 17:08:37 GMT -5
Then how is a poker competition ever decided by a eventual winner? Most poker that’s played isn’t a tournament just the ones you see on TV. Ohh I know that. You can walk away at any time in most poker games. Although I can't get into anything if the stakes don't get a little cringy lol. The best part of gambling is knowing if you win or lose, it's going to hurt or you're going to feel great from my perspective Lol.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 25, 2019 15:33:23 GMT -5
Maybe Porcello can put spaghetti sauce on his meatballs down the middle tonight. If anything, it'll confuse what the Yankees are trying to hit the first three innings tonight, maybe. Win 16-15 tonight.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 25, 2019 14:42:17 GMT -5
You don't see the difference between trying to coach potentially insensitive statements made by a poster on the board and bringing in a political discussion from outside the board? The rest of the board thought they were sensitive and took it completely out of context. It's like you couldn't talk great about a baseball player, and bad about another because one was white and the other wasn't, which was ridiculous. I couldn't believe the board actually went there, to be honest.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 25, 2019 14:33:39 GMT -5
Yeah, Heath Hembree is grossly overvalued on this page on the thread. No more than you overvalue every non-Red Sox relief pitcher. No one's trading any value for Heath Hembree, who is 30 years old, especially on a rebuilding team. I overvalue every relief pitcher, nope. I see value as other teams see things. The last guy I'm asking for in trades is Heath Hembree if I'm the Marlins and I want to do deal Romo, in his example.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 25, 2019 14:29:40 GMT -5
Then, why not have both? Make Darwinzon unavailable in trade talks. Pedro why do you believe the Jays would be interested in Dalbec. They already have Guerrero at 3rd. The guy you predicted would be better than Devers by the end of this seaon Guerrero doesn't project to stick at 3B long-term. The blue jays need any young body with talent and pray that he sticks at this point.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 25, 2019 8:54:52 GMT -5
The last remaining large question of the off-season and the outlook of the future is the potential Jalen Brown extension.
Do you sign him? How much is he worth? Will the Celtics play this out and see how other teams value Brown next off-season?
You got until opening night to sign him or you let him go to restricted free agency. That's the deadline for a extension with Brown.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 25, 2019 8:30:41 GMT -5
Yeah, Heath Hembree is grossly overvalued on this page on the thread.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 25, 2019 1:31:14 GMT -5
I thought it was obvious he wasn't suggesting we could just swap Porcello straight up for Bumgarner, and if he was it's too laughable a concept to even entertain. What I think he meant, and what makes sense, is that we'd have to give up prospects to not only get MadBum but likely pay an extra price to get them to take Porcello off our hands in the deal as well. The guy has such a great postseason history that I find the idea of going after him very enticing. Just get to the playoffs and then the chances of advancing with him, the way Eovaldi pitches against NY, maybe finally a healthy Sale in October, etc. I don't know how much it would cost, though. I still think you need at least one real good bullpen arm to make this team a real contender and doing both would probably take a bunch of top prospects. Yeah, my apologies. I thought everyone assumed that in the first place. Porcello + prospects for Bumgardner. No salaries swapping sides. The Sox could throw in extra for salary relief or throw in extra for Will Smith in a package deal. That kind of deal would clear the payroll around 7 million AAV wise if it was a straight Porcello for Bumgardner swap. This would let you pursue other avenues that's been discussed and rumored, like the Jose Abreu rumors. You could then trade not much for Abreu, get a massive upgrade and almost still be under the third threshold. You'd probably need to trade Moreland to clear a little more space and prospects, but I have no issue with that either. It wouldn't take much to talk me into a Porcello and Bumgardner swap. Porcello is very much one of the reasons why this team has been what it is so far record wise through this year. He's been pitching like crap all year. This would be a upgrade, no doubt. Bumgardner's postseason magic reminds me of early Josh Beckett too. You could pitch Price and Sale in a wild card game, and still feel good about game 1 in the ALDS to win with Bumgardner starting. Sale, Price, Bumgardner. That's elite right there.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 24, 2019 22:51:15 GMT -5
Yeah, the exchange with Varitek with Arod was really really weird after the Sox won the World Series in 2018 on the post game show. Varitek went to go get Ortiz to celebrate with the rest of them, and he barely looked at Arod. It was deliciously funny and awkward at the same time. You know he still doesn't respect him lol.
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