|
|
Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 17, 2019 23:19:19 GMT -5
Lol they're going to lose this game, aren't they?
|
|
|
|
Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 17, 2019 22:59:40 GMT -5
Benny has the range of a tree stump and has a noodle arm to boot. And a good relay by Xander would have gotten Pillar by 30 feet. Xander isn't much to brag about defensively either. |
|
|
|
Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 17, 2019 22:56:16 GMT -5
Benny has the range of a tree stump and has a noodle arm to boot.
|
|
|
|
Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 17, 2019 22:35:51 GMT -5
16th 4 hour game of the season. The Sox also have 3 five hour games. Fix your game, baseball. Average time of game for a MLB team this year- 3 hours, 8 minutes (too long) Average time of game for the Red Sox- 3 hours, 24 minutes (an eternity) The average total hours played by a MLB team this year- 470 hours The total time of hours for the Red Sox- 510 hours The Sox have played 16 games worth of hours more than the average MLB team. Not only do they play like crap, but they take forever to finish their crap. |
|
|
|
Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 17, 2019 22:16:00 GMT -5
16th 4 hour game of the season. The Sox also have 3 five hour games.
Fix your game, baseball.
|
|
|
|
Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 17, 2019 22:04:34 GMT -5
Where have we seen this before?
Yaz plays a ball off the wall beautifully.
|
|
|
|
Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 17, 2019 20:50:06 GMT -5
|
|
|
|
Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 17, 2019 20:27:19 GMT -5
Yaz robs Benny. Ya that is cool to say.
|
|
|
|
Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 17, 2019 19:27:48 GMT -5
Great moment for the Yaz family. Standing ovation from the Fenway crowd. Awesome.
|
|
|
|
Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 17, 2019 17:20:50 GMT -5
Yeah his mlb career is over Plus the- Solicitation of a child and one count of providing obscene material to minors. 6 charges. I'm guessing 4 or 5 felony charges. This dude could get 25 years to life in prison, nevermind his MLB career being over. |
|
|
|
Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 17, 2019 14:49:35 GMT -5
|
|
|
|
Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 17, 2019 14:08:44 GMT -5
All three of JBJ, Mookie, and Workman are eligible for free agency for 2020. Unlike the the post mocking me above, this is a long term plan. All three of these players are going to free agency for save maybe Workman (who could be resigned to a extension maybe). The list of players getting in return is either- - Two top 10 prospects in a farm system and a everyday player - Three top 10 prospects in a farm system - One reliever traded or signed - Or one starter traded (if there's a releiever signed) This is no doubt better for the long term run and positions the Sox very strongly in 2021. I don’t see how this helps much in 2021. Your pitching staff is even older, you may or may not have these two prospects ready.... if they ever are. And you have an unnamed everyday guy who must be worse than Betts or else why wd the trading partner throw in major prospects? This assuming a team would give that good a package to take one year of a guy you are convinced won’t sign. That strikes me as highly unlikely. The biggest packages in the last few years have been for relatively low-cost guys under control, like Archer and Sale. This isn’t that. Heck, if Mookie walks, the Sox could turn the pick into a top prospect, which is only one less than they’d get in your trade. Then they can sign a lesser everyday player with the savings and viola! Almost as good a trade with one more year of Mookie. -Mookie will be exchanged for a fourth round pick in free agency if he walks (bad pick) -Mata will be ready in 2021. -You are hopefully turning the Mookie trade into a talented pitching prospect and outfield prospect that will thrive in 2021. -If Sale needs TJS in 2020, it should come early as we will know if the PRP injection worked or not in spring training. If he does need it, he should be ready for the latter half of 2021. That should clear things up. |
|
|
|
Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 17, 2019 13:50:04 GMT -5
I’m trying to understand. Sale doesn’t need TJ at the moment but he might so: 1) Trade Mookie plus maybe Workman (our best reliever). 2) To help fill the gaps created by that, trade JBJ. So now in this scenario you are down 1 starter, the closer, and two thirds of the outfield for a theoretical return of one everyday player a top-100 prospect and a relief arm? That seems bad in both the short and long runs. All three of JBJ, Mookie, and Workman are eligible for free agency for 2020. Unlike the the post mocking me above, this is a long term plan. All three of these players are going to free agency for save maybe Workman (who could be resigned to a extension maybe). The list of players getting in return is either- - Two top 10 prospects in a farm system and a everyday player - Three top 10 prospects in a farm system - One reliever traded or signed (or two relievers signed) - Or one starter traded (if there's a releiever signed) This is no doubt better for the long term run and positions the Sox very strongly in 2021. |
|
|
|
Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 17, 2019 13:43:32 GMT -5
Baseball at it's best. A bloodline of baseball gold.
|
|
|
|
Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 17, 2019 0:27:28 GMT -5
There's ways of getting more value out of deals in return. Some of y'all aren't thinking like GM's. Who said Mookie had to be the only one included in a deal? Mookie probably gets you 2 top 10 prospects (or one major league player and a top ten prospect) by himself, even for one year. I already brought up this idea once already, but adding a Workman to the package (who's also a free agent after 2020) could extract even more value to a deal coming back to the Sox and could get you that third top 10 prospect in the deal. The Dodgers, Braves, and Astros will be 3 teams looking for elite talent and bullpen talent this off-season. All 3 of these teams should be looking to maximize their windows to win. Point taken, but I hope the Sox keep Workman specifically. Would be thrilled if they signed him for 3 years at a low AAV. You could trade Workman or say a Barnes (who only has 2 more years of control left) if you liked one over the other. However, this is a career year for Workman and I doubt he's peaking more than he has this year. He's about to enter his 30's, I believe. He's been fortunate along with good this year with the probably unsustainable low homerun rate with the baseball being what it is today. |
|
|
|
Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 17, 2019 0:23:58 GMT -5
There's ways of getting more value out of deals in return. Some of y'all aren't thinking like GM's. Who said Mookie had to be the only one included in a deal? Mookie probably gets you 2 top 10 prospects (or one major league player and a top ten prospect) by himself, even for one year. I already brought up this idea once already, but adding a Workman to the package (who's also a free agent after 2020) could extract even more value to a deal coming back to the Sox and could get you that third top 10 prospect in the deal. The Dodgers, Braves, and Astros will be 3 teams looking for elite talent and bullpen talent this off-season. All 3 of these teams should be looking to maximize their windows to win. If you give up significant pieces in addition to Mookie, that's more significant additions that need to be made at some point. There's ways around that though. Trade JBJ for starting pitching depth, or a controllable bullpen piece soon thereafter (or) sign a bullpen piece or two. I'm not afraid to give up a little more to get a little more back. |
|
|
|
Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 16, 2019 20:34:10 GMT -5
Well, the White Sox return for Sale is quite a test case. Moncada is coming along, but he’s no franchise player yet. Kopech has the injury you worry Sale has. Let’s see how that plays out. Still happier on our end of the 2 top-prospects for a star exchange. They aren't getting anything close to a Moncada for 1 year of $30 million per year Mookie. The Red Sox traded for 3 years of Sale at $13 million per. There's ways of getting more value out of deals in return. Some of y'all aren't thinking like GM's. Who said Mookie had to be the only one included in a deal? Mookie probably gets you 2 top 10 prospects (or one major league player and a top ten prospect) by himself, even for one year. I already brought up this idea once already, but adding a Workman to the package (who's also a free agent after 2020) could extract even more value to a deal coming back to the Sox and could get you that third top 10 prospect in the deal. The Dodgers, Braves, and Astros will be 3 teams looking for elite talent and bullpen talent this off-season. All 3 of these teams should be looking to maximize their windows to win. |
|
|
|
Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 16, 2019 15:33:51 GMT -5
Teams don't generally trade for expensive players after the off-season is over. That may be changing soon with Free agency crashing every year and big time free agents signing later and later each year. However, teams for the most part like to know what their payrolls look like before the season starts. In-season trades are not unheard of. There's this whole "trade deadline" thing, you know. Are you not even willing to hedge a little and say: let's see how 2020 unfolds, and if, as you predict, Sale will be forced to get surgery and the season will be a lost cause, then we can trade Betts at the deadline?
I realize you won't get quite as much value at the deadline as you would in the off-season, but on the other hand, that seems like a reasonable hedge against the certainty of your personal medical evaluation of Chris Sale (on top of the certainty that a Sale injury would tank the season).
Two things. Yes, not even close to the same value. See Manny Machado trade and Paul Goldsmidt trade. Teams usually set aside money for the trade deadline (they leave room in the payroll and plan for it). Plus, the contract is already more than half paid for by the time the trade deadline comes. Planning for a team to make you a offer in spring training is a tall task. There will be more available options to trade from this off-season. If a team if all in on getting Betts as a number one option, they will make that the priority before shifting their plans to something else. Once they shift to something else they might now even be a option anymore come spring training. |
|
|
|
Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 16, 2019 14:48:15 GMT -5
They won't know until he fully ramps up for next season to see if the procedure worked or not. See Carson Smith's injuries as a example. The very obvious conclusion of this logic would be: let's see how Sale does after ramping up in spring training. If he needs Tommy John, they can trade Betts then.
On the other hand, the idea that Sale, contra his expert diagnosis, will very likely need Tommy John next year, and it definitely won't be the case that he'll get injured in 2021 or 2022, and based on these assumptions we should trade Betts before the start of next season, strikes me as a little bit less intuitive.
Teams don't generally trade for expensive players after the off-season is over. That may be changing soon with Free agency crashing every year and big time free agents signing later and later each year. However, teams for the most part like to know what their payrolls look like before the season starts. |
|
|
|
Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 16, 2019 14:30:31 GMT -5
A couple of top 100 organizational prospects could indeed make or break a future. At least it could have a great impact on the organization's long term health. Well, the White Sox return for Sale is quite a test case. Moncada is coming along, but he’s no franchise player yet. Kopech has the injury you worry Sale has. Let’s see how that plays out. Still happier on our end of the 2 top-prospects for a star exchange. Moncada has already made the case that he's a franchise player right now. He's having a breakout season and is only what, 24?! |
|
|
|
Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 16, 2019 13:58:10 GMT -5
Better to not risk everything (including the long term health of the organization) on one year, you mean? You're not "risking everything", you're risking like a couple top 100 guys at best. That's not going to make or break the future of the org. A couple of top 100 organizational prospects could indeed make or break a future. At least it could have a great impact on the organization's long term health. |
|
|
|
Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 16, 2019 13:57:28 GMT -5
They won't know until spring training. They'll know when he goes back to Dr. Andrews and see if his elbow responded to the PRP injection. They won't know until he fully ramps up for next season to see if the procedure worked or not. See Carson Smith's injuries as a example. |
|
|
|
Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 16, 2019 13:42:39 GMT -5
Better to not risk everything (including the long term health of the organization) on one year, you mean? Could go wild and try to sign not quite 27 year old 2nd best player in baseball? Yeah, doubt that is happening. Mookie Betts wants full value. He's going to get it in free agency or someplace else before then. I seriously doubt the Sox offer full value of a position player like Betts. They did it for a pitcher (Price), but it's completely different. Pitchers aren't worth as much as everyday players. |
|
|
|
Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 16, 2019 13:37:29 GMT -5
Maybe, but I wouldn't bet on it not happening. As in, I would trade Mookie Betts because of it. I'm sure ownership is going to ask about the Mookie Betts trade scenarios when hiring a new GM. Well we should know before the end of the season. I don't get why you're so absolutely sure he's going to need it and basing all of your opinions on him needing it. I would never be so adamant about something that is a complete guess before we actually hear the news. They won't know until spring training. |
|
|
|
Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 16, 2019 13:36:34 GMT -5
YOLO, better give up now. Better to not risk everything (including the long term health of the organization) on one year, you mean? |
|
