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Post by swingingbunt on Dec 28, 2018 0:13:14 GMT -5
I'm getting some wicked deja vu right now
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Post by swingingbunt on Dec 5, 2018 20:13:17 GMT -5
Eovaldi was a joy to watch pitch. I'm terrified of what the roster will look like in 3 years, but we might as well ride the wave while we can.
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Post by swingingbunt on Dec 1, 2018 17:28:21 GMT -5
Curveball. You may actually be right. Page 12 doesn't go into minor league pay. Just minor league pay for people who are on the 40 man roster. I was bored a few years ago and read the entire CBA prior the one we are currently on, and I'm 99% sure that the entire minor league pay scale was included in it. I'm not finding that pay scale on this CBA, but will look for it. Yeah I thought the players could have no control over salaries beyond major leaguers. I'm not sure. This is a whole different legal ballgame that I can't get a whole grasp on. I don't see it anywhere, even in previous years. In short, I have no idea what document I was looking at that included the MiLB salary scale, but it wasn't the CBA. I still think if it was that important to players, they could fight (or strike) for better pay; but I stand corrected that up until now it seems they have had absolutely no say.
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Post by swingingbunt on Dec 1, 2018 17:08:21 GMT -5
No it's not just signing bonuses. Here is the CBA. Minimum salaries are on page 11 and minor league salaries are on page 12. Why would this be included in a collective bargaining agreement if it was impossible for one of the sides to be able to collectively bargain it? That's what I'm saying is common sense. I stand corrected, thanks. Curveball. You may actually be right. Page 12 doesn't go into minor league pay. Just minor league pay for people who are on the 40 man roster. I was bored a few years ago and read the entire CBA prior the one we are currently on, and I'm 99% sure that the entire minor league pay scale was included in it. I'm not finding that pay scale on this CBA, but will look for it.
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Post by swingingbunt on Dec 1, 2018 16:54:43 GMT -5
If minor league salaries weren't collectively bargained they wouldn't be in the collective bargaining agreement. I don't have to be in the room to know that. It's common sense. And you need to reread that quote because it absolutely doesn't say MLB players cannot fight for higher pay for MiLB players. It says MiLB players can't fight for themselves; which is the entire problem. The language of the signing bonuses is what's collectively bargained, not the salaries. It's not common sense. This is all really technical non common sense stuff. No it's not just signing bonuses. Here is the CBA. Minimum salaries are on page 11 and minor league salaries are on page 12. Why would this be included in a collective bargaining agreement if it was impossible for one of the sides to be able to collectively bargain it? That's what I'm saying is common sense.
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Post by swingingbunt on Dec 1, 2018 16:45:13 GMT -5
I don't know what you think that quote means, but all it says is that MiLB players don't have a union and can't fight for themselves. MLB players can ask for anything under the sun, including higher MiLB pay, before they agree to the next CBA. It's a mute point because they won't do it, but it's certainly not because they can't. I don't think that's right. There's no way of you knowing all of that unless you were in that room when they were signing the CBA either. That whole quote explained why. That whole article explained why. Teams set the standards on salaries. They can't fight it unless they formed a union. If minor league salaries weren't collectively bargained they wouldn't be in the collective bargaining agreement. I don't have to be in the room to know that. It's common sense. And you need to reread that quote because it absolutely doesn't say MLB players cannot fight for higher pay for MiLB players. It says MiLB players can't fight for themselves; which is the entire problem.
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Post by swingingbunt on Dec 1, 2018 16:38:12 GMT -5
I'm not sure if I'm totally on board from the Chiefs side of things. If Hunt came out and was truthful and admitted to everything he was caught doing, then he might be suspended a bunch of games by the league and he still might be a Chief today. Who knows it's probably 2 or 3 games because the league value woman beaters, rather than deflated footballs. Maybe the Chiefs truly have a no tolerance policy for these things, but I'm HIGHLY skeptical considering he was one of their 2 or 3 best players on their team. I think they released him more due to the fact that he lied about what happened. I'm with you on this line of thinking. Dont they already have a player on their team who assaulted some lady? Sure, they deserve SOME credit, but even their own statement says they released him because he lied, and not because he assaulted this woman.
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Post by swingingbunt on Dec 1, 2018 16:28:03 GMT -5
Yes they can. Minor league players salaries are part of the CBA, so they are part of the collective bargaining process. MLB players would obviously have to give something up to raise their salaries (which they have no incentive to do), but they can do it. "Minor League Baseball players do not have the same labor protections as Major League Baseball players, and nowhere has this been more evident in 2018 than MLB lobbying the federal government to restrict minor league wages this spring. That’s not a power MLB, nor its team owners, wield over MLB players, not with the existence of the Major League Baseball Players Association. The minors, though, have no such organized resistance to ownership, and are at the mercy of MLB’s and MiLB’s whims." www.sbnation.com/mlb/2018/6/5/17251534/mlb-draft-minor-league-baseball-union-phpaI don't know what you think that quote means, but all it says is that MiLB players don't have a union and can't fight for themselves. MLB players can ask for anything under the sun, including higher MiLB pay, before they agree to the next CBA. It's a mute point because they won't do it, but it's certainly not because they can't.
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Post by swingingbunt on Dec 1, 2018 16:06:27 GMT -5
Literally the players union can't get involved with the salaries of minor league baseball players. They aren't part of the union. The one thing the player's association has a little control over is the signing bonuses handed out and the players union agreed to completely sell out it's amateur players by dropping their signing bonuses in the draft and in minor league international free agency. Tony Clark is really bad at his job. He is. The players union needs to go back to hiring lawyers that fight back against the owners instead of giving in to mostly everything to get a deal done. Yes they can. Minor league players salaries are part of the CBA, so they are part of the collective bargaining process. MLB players would obviously have to give something up to raise their salaries (which they have no incentive to do), but they can do it.
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Post by swingingbunt on Dec 1, 2018 2:33:07 GMT -5
Lots more "interesting" non-tenders: Justin Bour, Hunter Strickland, Brad Boxberger, Shelby Miller, ...and more. Wait. Justin Bour just got non-tendered and we're stuck paying Pearce 6.25 million!?!?! /s
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Post by swingingbunt on Nov 24, 2018 20:20:36 GMT -5
You keep saying that we don't know the Sox payroll situation, but do you know who does? The guys that had no problem paying 6.25 to Pearce.
They certainly know more than anyone what payroll it's going to take to be successful this year, so you can probably save yourself the anxiety and drop the Chicken Little act you have going on.
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Post by swingingbunt on Nov 21, 2018 16:00:24 GMT -5
I think I've read this thread before....
It didn't end well.
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Post by swingingbunt on Oct 28, 2018 22:24:11 GMT -5
Best Sox team ever. So glad I got to experience it!
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Post by swingingbunt on Oct 28, 2018 15:02:04 GMT -5
There will be plenty of time to bean Machado next season when he's wearing pinstripes (we all know it's going to happen). I'd rather us get back at him by celebrating on his home field.
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Post by swingingbunt on Oct 27, 2018 23:06:45 GMT -5
Machado is as dirty as they come.
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Post by swingingbunt on Oct 27, 2018 20:00:15 GMT -5
Would much rather have an out at second than have Erod screw up his knee again and leave the team SOL for the rest of the night. If the DH was a thing, like it should be, this wouldn't happen.
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Post by swingingbunt on Oct 18, 2018 22:04:34 GMT -5
Camera guy sucks.
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Post by swingingbunt on Oct 18, 2018 0:18:52 GMT -5
ONE of the best games I've ever seen in my life wow Agree. All time great one
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Post by swingingbunt on Oct 18, 2018 0:14:34 GMT -5
OMG
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Post by swingingbunt on Oct 17, 2018 9:22:24 GMT -5
Gammo lost his edge long ago. I’ve not read anything by him in the last five years that is more than transcribed chats with “good baseballmen,” forcasting off the seat of his pants, and outright wishcasting. The language is so interesting. How the f**k does a computer expert come into play? No one is building server farms or virtual machines here. There was a lot of excitement on the board when Eovaldi showed up, including from the nerdish side, and WAR thinks Bradley had a decent year despite the slow start, one that only seems to be getting better. This is an uncomfortable look into Gammons's mind, like opening a closet door and having a bunch of stuff fall out. Not to mention that it has probably been the "computer experts" that keep Bradley Jr in the lineup because they see the value in him even when he's not hitting.
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Post by swingingbunt on Oct 16, 2018 19:24:59 GMT -5
You would think Osuna would have enough practice hitting people that he'd know how to avoid it
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Post by swingingbunt on Oct 13, 2018 19:19:53 GMT -5
Surprised they got it right
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Post by swingingbunt on Oct 2, 2018 21:46:43 GMT -5
Imagine if the Cubs and Yankees both lost the wild card game? I'd have to call my doctor after 4 hours.
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Post by swingingbunt on Sept 30, 2018 16:39:22 GMT -5
Gun to my head, I would have said he was still in Japan. ...or was it Korea? I think it was Korea. I'd be dead either way.
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Post by swingingbunt on Sept 28, 2018 18:54:48 GMT -5
Heart attack, cancer, and reading this thread from start to finish: wouldn't wish them on even my worst enemies.
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