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Post by swingingbunt on Sept 26, 2018 15:19:38 GMT -5
News flash: Baseball has an anti-trust exemption from the government. Of course it's special. There's a lot of factors that keep players from making more money that don't apply to other environments including the fact that players can't just up and move to a different organization if they offer them more money. You think that helps your point? They have that because Baseball is seen as a game and not interstate commerce. Which is a point a bunch of us have been making. If anything the fact Baseball has an anti-trust agreement helps my point. They are being paid to play a game, a game all of them have played for free there whole entire lifes. They can go get another job anytime they want and now have professional baseball player on their resume. They aren't forced into this, they all jump at the chance. So your first comment said these jobs are exactly like every other job, and when that gets proven wrong, you just say they're not jobs at all? You're just trolling at this point. Bye Felicia.
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Post by swingingbunt on Sept 26, 2018 13:17:23 GMT -5
FFS we're not talking about everyone else. We're talking about minor league baseball players and that's it. Not jobs that can be outsourced to China and not plumbers that can drive 3 hours to lower their cost of living. We're talking about minor league players that have bosses that can afford, with absolutely no problem whatsoever, to pay them a living wage but are choosing not to. So your argument is that Baseball is special? That's what you are saying and it makes zero sense. News flash most bosses can afford to pay their workers more. Nevermind you keep worrying about Baseball, when the players get a much higher percentage of overall revenue than almost any other job. It makes no sense. News flash: Baseball has an anti-trust exemption from the government. Of course it's special. There's a lot of factors that keep players from making more money that don't apply to other environments including the fact that players can't just up and move to a different organization if they offer them more money.
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Post by swingingbunt on Sept 26, 2018 0:51:59 GMT -5
FFS we're not talking about everyone else. We're talking about minor league baseball players and that's it. Not jobs that can be outsourced to China and not plumbers that can drive 3 hours to lower their cost of living. We're talking about minor league players that have bosses that can afford, with absolutely no problem whatsoever, to pay them a living wage but are choosing not to.
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Post by swingingbunt on Sept 25, 2018 17:40:37 GMT -5
I mean, there's a reason the "Player A was working as a grocer, and now look what he's doing!" makes such a good story. Because it hardly ever happens. According to the people in this thread every single player should be working at the grocery store during the Summer.
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Post by swingingbunt on Sept 25, 2018 17:33:50 GMT -5
In season, minor league baseball players work the equivalent of full-time hours. Paying them a minimum-wage equivalent hardly seems like a radical suggestion. It's a seasonal job though. If you want to get cut. Sure.
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Post by swingingbunt on Sept 25, 2018 16:46:46 GMT -5
Am I missing something? This article appears to be nothing more than an editorial calling Loria a liar for no specific reason. It's a more thorough version of your "screw rich people" take so I can see why you like it, but there's nothing material here that says Loria's numbers regarding the sale of the team are inaccurate. You mean beside the part about how he's already been known to fudge the numbers by claiming money paid to himself counts against his bottom line? That specific reason? Didn't you say you were done with this conversation? The rah-rah rich people stuff is getting a bit old.
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Post by swingingbunt on Sept 25, 2018 15:56:33 GMT -5
Second point is that the Marlins may look like they're losing 10s of millions last year, but how much did Loria make on the sale? Why did the Jeter group pay so much for the Marlins if it's just hopeless for them to make money? Is Loria struggling to find food and signing up for $50 speaking gigs on his 6 days off in 6 months? Are these billionaires dumb? Are they losing all their money and going broke owning baseball teams? One more thing since this question is unanswered and it at least has some semblance of a counterargument besides "screw rich people". Loria, according to his accountants, lost $140 million in the sale of the Marlins. @suttacbsmiami pbs.twimg.com/media/DVDJkHAVAAAC7cK.jpgBut don't let numbers get in the way of a good story. Numbers from Loria himself. I'm sure he also has a bridge to sell you at a really good price too. Here's the truth behind those numbers.
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Post by swingingbunt on Sept 25, 2018 13:47:53 GMT -5
I think at least $2500 month (the equivalent of a $15 minimum wage based on a 2000 hour year) is the least they could do given that these guys work for them more than 40 hours a week. Add to that provide a high quality meal every day which would teach them better nutrition and compensate them for the extra hours. Drop in the bucket for the owners, maybe marginal for the bigger bonus babies, but very significant for the org guys and dark horses. And that's all people are asking. I know it's fun to put entire world views into each little topic, but giving minor leaguers enough money to not struggle to support themselves isn't going to destroy capitalism, cause the billionaires to move to another country, make Kiosks replace people's jobs, bring down the game of baseball or whatever other ridiculous arguments that have been made in this thread. It would absolutely improve the product on the field, and each organization would pay about the cost of a LOOGY each year.
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Post by swingingbunt on Sept 23, 2018 19:35:50 GMT -5
[whispers] I kind of like A-Rod as an announcer... I'm fine saying that out loud. I think he's great.
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Post by swingingbunt on Sept 23, 2018 19:18:18 GMT -5
Has the mic near the plate been this loud all game?
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Post by swingingbunt on Sept 23, 2018 14:18:44 GMT -5
When teams start batting kiosks in the 6 spot I'll worry more about it. For the time being I won't spend my time sticking up for billionaires.
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Post by swingingbunt on Sept 22, 2018 15:15:19 GMT -5
Yeah man. If life sucks for some people it should suck for everyone else too. Amirite?
The more companies that pay for travel, the likelier it it will be that your boss doesn't laugh in your face for asking the same. Maybe you should try joining the bandwagon so you have a better chance at getting those benefits too.
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Post by swingingbunt on Sept 22, 2018 12:07:58 GMT -5
This is such a crazy argument. All they have to do is pay minor league players an extra $1000 a month so that they're making closer to minimum wage. The owners drink bottles of liquor that are more than that. And umass, making the Walmart argument is ridiculous. Those employees don't have elite skills that cannot be replaced like professional sports. And Walmart should pay their employees more instead of training them how to collect food stamps and qualify for Medicaid. Couple of things: There are 8,000 minor league players, according to the website I found. An extra $6,000 to each of them would cost $48M. That's not trivial. Even if that 8,000 is wrong (feels too high to me) it's going to be a lot of money. Who pays them? I'm not necessarily opposed to these guys getting paid, but there's about 200 pages of business strategy and data analysis that should be in between the 1st half of Law's tweet and the second half. And the tweet comes with a surprise ending. Why do the milb owners pay? The mlb guys are the ones with the billions of dollars in revenue who make the real money off of the players, why don't they cover it? It would be like me tweeting "There's a lot of people at the grocery store, why doesn't Ford pay for my gas to get there?" and not providing any additional information whatsoever. Not all these players are elite. 750 mlb players. 8,000 milb players. Some will eventually work at Wal Mart which brings Umass' argument full circle. Do you have a specific guy that you think is getting screwed over? I'm asking because I want to find some humanity in this situation so I can see your point of view, but I can't find anyone. Other than Poyner, all of our top 40 prospects that are non-IFA got paid in bonus money. I found two guys 41-60 that kind of look like they're getting screwed (Chad De La Guerra and Jeremy Rivera) but they were both unranked prospects and 17th round picks and have to know that they're playing a lottery ticket. De La Guerra looks like he might make it, so that's one guy out of 60 that might never prosper for his efforts. I also looked at this year's draft board. 14 guys getting paid north of $100k, couple of them getting life-changing money. You could argue that Granberg should have been paid more because of his ranking and slot allocation, but the rest are mostly unranked seniors who probably feel good about getting drafted at all. It would be great in theory if some of these guys got paid more, it would be a better use of the player's union's time to advocate for these guys than complain about the top 1% of player's contracts being too small. However, it does seem like most/all of the legitimate contenders for mlb roster spots get paid just fine. For me, the argument that a guy who is never realistically going to play major league baseball deserves more money because he had the inclination to try is just a bit entitled. That's a little more than $1.5 million per year per organization. It's trivial.
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Post by swingingbunt on Sept 21, 2018 21:52:08 GMT -5
It absolutely boggles my mind that people have the stance that billionaires shouldn't have to pay their employees enough to live above the poverty line.
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Post by swingingbunt on Sept 12, 2018 19:10:55 GMT -5
We should have called tails
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Post by swingingbunt on Sept 5, 2018 14:55:40 GMT -5
Ummm....I was told only Farrell let his pitchers run
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Post by swingingbunt on Aug 26, 2018 9:37:32 GMT -5
Top 5 negative WPAs in this game: Moreland, Pearce, Leon, Betts, Nunez. Brasier is 6th worst. Its almost as if Devers phantom DL stint was a bad idea. If we lose tomorrow and the Yankees win they’ll have picked up 4.5 games in a week. I've seen this a few times, but why do you think Devers is on the phantom DL?
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Post by swingingbunt on Aug 23, 2018 13:42:56 GMT -5
Not sure how many of you know that deepjohn had some serious issues and this site was an outlet for him during his rehab. I didn't know that. Any time I rib him it's done with good intentions, but I've deleted my last comment and will keep that in mind moving forward.
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Post by swingingbunt on Aug 23, 2018 9:04:41 GMT -5
Delete
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Post by swingingbunt on Aug 22, 2018 7:33:09 GMT -5
Better yet, I think all posters would be well served to go back and read what the moderators are saying.
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Post by swingingbunt on Aug 5, 2018 9:12:44 GMT -5
A little detail but it was pretty clever of the Sox to make Sunday's game a night game and the last one of the day at that, by 4 hours. The Sox have Monday off while the Yankees have to play a scheduled game in Chicago. Am I missing something? It's ESPN that decides who gets the Sunday night game. Not the Sox...
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Post by swingingbunt on Aug 4, 2018 17:01:23 GMT -5
Pet peeve: not a ground rule double - bouncing over the wall is an automatic double.
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Post by swingingbunt on Aug 4, 2018 15:10:29 GMT -5
Lol, looked like me swingig up there.
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Post by swingingbunt on Aug 4, 2018 11:25:26 GMT -5
I was in the center field bleachers for that game. Was an absolutely wild night.
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Post by swingingbunt on Aug 2, 2018 20:04:15 GMT -5
This is fun. Can't wait to hear the Yankees complain after the game about the Red Sox stealing signs
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