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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 27, 2021 15:58:04 GMT -5
So, I know this is close to impossible unlikely but if the Sox did go over for Fabian. Would it the make since to just say “eff it” and sign everyone else including Green?
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 27, 2021 12:35:07 GMT -5
I happen to think Rizzo is a much better player than he has shown the past 140 games and can perform better in the next year or two. If not, he's still a huge upgrade offensively and defensively over Dalbec.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 27, 2021 12:30:15 GMT -5
I do think it's crazy how so many people in here were excited about Fabian when we drafted him and called it great value and now those same people are bringing up the k-rate and waxing poetic about a future unmade pick. It's going to be very exhausting for them if Fabian and the Sox end up coming to an agreement at the last minute.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 27, 2021 9:31:12 GMT -5
I'm not burning anything, I just hate that. It's such a cop-out to say that the people in charge know what they are doing. Why be a fan then? Form your own opinions. Even Bill Belichick deserves to get criticized for deals he does and doesn't make. Chaim Bloom is certainly not above that. You’re putting way too much into a Peter Gammons tweet— talk about the blind leading the blind. I like Peter Gammons, I really do. But if it's coming from Peter Gammons.........and only Peter Gammons. IDK, gives one pause. I don't think he's making stuff up but why isn't anyone else saying anything? One has to think this is Fabians camp just posturing, which doesn't mean he's going to sign......it just means it's not set in stone. I'll wait until the 1st.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 27, 2021 7:47:48 GMT -5
Is this being reported anywhere other than Gammons Twitter account?
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 27, 2021 7:24:46 GMT -5
What boggles me is any extra penny he's fighting for right now is taking away from his teammate. His teammate has said he won't be signing either if he doesn't get a set amount of money so if the Sox gave Fabian everything if Hickey doesn't sign and assuming the offer is about 2.5 million then he's fighting for another 167K. I get fighting for every penny, but that seems like a small amount to squabble over if the choice is 2.5 million or don't start your pro career.
Maybe Hickey stole his GF freshman year and this is him getting back at him.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 26, 2021 22:14:29 GMT -5
What if the Ks don't come down next season? What if he gets injured? I like him as a second round pick (where if he has a 20% chance of success it's a good investment for the drafting team). But before this season he was talked about as a top 5 pick and he ended up falling to #40. Who's to say that trajectory will reverse itself? I suppose if Fabians Trajectory reversed course we should be thankful he didn’t sign and the Sox get the 41st pick next year.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 26, 2021 12:21:49 GMT -5
The only way Green is an option is if Fabian and Hickey are signing for Slot and Green would take 957K. It doesn't sound like one of those things will happen let alone all three. At this point, I think we can consider Green a pipe dream. (probably should have been there a few weeks ago).
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 26, 2021 11:21:08 GMT -5
I'm confused by this "maybe Fabian or Hickey won't sign" talk. What every knowledgeable person said before the draft, here and elsewhere, was that if a guy is taken in rounds 1-10, it's a safe bet that they'll sign. And also that signing bonuses are basically agreed on before the guys are drafted. If they're just hashing out details right now, then no problem, but to actually not sign one of these guys? Seems to go against what everyone was saying would happen... The way I look at it is there's the rule and then the exception. Generally speaking, teams sign their top ten picks, the Sox included. However, it's not completely unprecedented and it would be plausible that the Sox are going to fail to sign one of their top 10 this year. I don't think they're in any immediate danger of that happening. Someone, somwhere is posturing and when the deadline approaches the Sox very well may end up signing both Hickey and Fabian.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 26, 2021 9:58:46 GMT -5
Question, for how many rounds are picks protected for not signing a guy? is it just the first two? or 1-10?
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 26, 2021 9:40:26 GMT -5
The Giancarlo contract just looks awful for NY right now, and I love it. In about 4 years the Marlins start kicking in 10 million per year for two years so maybe it won't be so bad then. But if he can't stay healthy now, I'm not sure what he's going to look like at 35+
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 26, 2021 9:03:18 GMT -5
At this point, I feel like we may not hear about Fabian/Hickey/Kavadas until the deadline. They know there's a finite amount of money left and everyone is in a hurry up and wait mode. If Hickey signed for slot the Sox could give a lot of money to Fabian, but if they fail to sign him they can't go over $2.67 million. Sox may or may not want to throw that number at him now if Hickey is demanding over slot. I think it's very plausible some guys come down on their demands and they get all three of these players but if they fail to sign Fabian then there should be plenty of money for Hickey/Kavadas and they'd get the 41st pick in next years draft. Given the rest of this draft, I wouldn't be completely upset with that scenario. Hickey signing for slot does not change what the Red Sox can give Fabian (versus what they can give him if he doesn't sign). He'd need to sign for below slot to increase what they can give Fabian. That isn't going to happen. I know we know of the Felix signing, a quick note as I'm not sure it was mentioned, he's a switch-hitting, two way player. Was drafted out of HS by the Marlins in the 21st round, but went to Western Oklahoma I believe he was actually drafted after his first year of JuCo in 2019. He's a weird third-year JuCo player caused by the lost 2020 season. Yeah, That's what I meant to say. The actual difference in what they can can't give Fabian if they fail to sign Hickey is 5% of his slow value, which isn't significant.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 26, 2021 8:40:22 GMT -5
I think he's struggling a bit and that's ok.
What I'm wondering is, at what level and for how long does he have to struggle for the "BRING HIM UP NOW" crowd to lose faith in him and the "Wait, have some patience, you will see him soon" crowd to start defending him.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 26, 2021 7:00:13 GMT -5
Lowe is definitely the best guy short term and probably long term for this club. But like you just mentioned there should be no incentive for the Rangers to trade him. Unless of course Bloom offers them someone like Groome or Mata + plus a back end reliever or two to clear some room on the 40 man. This would cause a riot on the board. Pretty much any trade that involves giving up anything will cause some negative feedback on the board. Sometimes I feel like people would rather have the #1 ranked farm team than the #1 ranked major league team. We could trade Noah Song for Matt Olson and there would be at least two people upset "You don't trade potential starting pitching for a first baseman who hit .195 last year"
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 26, 2021 6:44:10 GMT -5
At this point, I feel like we may not hear about Fabian/Hickey/Kavadas until the deadline. They know there's a finite amount of money left and everyone is in a hurry up and wait mode.
If Hickey signed for slot the Sox could give a lot of money to Fabian, but if they fail to sign him they can't go over $2.67 million. Sox may or may not want to throw that number at him now if Hickey is demanding over slot.
I think it's very plausible some guys come down on their demands and they get all three of these players but if they fail to sign Fabian then there should be plenty of money for Hickey/Kavadas and they'd get the 41st pick in next years draft. Given the rest of this draft, I wouldn't be completely upset with that scenario.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 23, 2021 12:23:54 GMT -5
He's the next Pedro!!!!
(immediately ducks in anticipation of rocks being thrown at him)
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 23, 2021 6:50:17 GMT -5
Is it just me or does the draft signing period seem much more exciting this year? Maybe it's #4 pick IDK.
I thought there was a really good chance Mayer signed for slot, and I stated as much while eternally admitting to myself I was probably being a huge homer and thinking wishfully; and yet here we are.
If Mike Andrew's projections play out with what's left the Sox have an extra $927,280 to play with, which means the max they could give Fabian is $2.78 million If he signs for the projected of $2.450 million the Sox have an extra $593K to play with.
I don't think $725,000 will be enough to sign Green, but maybe? still from what I gather it would take 1st round money not 3rd round money. It feels more likely that Guerrero and Hood are the consolation prizes if Fabian signs. However, what if Fabian signs for closer to 2 million? and/or Hickey goes for closer to slot then Green is in play because the Sox might be able to give him a number north of a million. I wouldn't say it's "more probable than not" but I will say that the chances of signing Green have increased over the last 24 hours.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 23, 2021 6:24:03 GMT -5
In a 162 game season you're going to win and lose a bunch of games that you feel like you should have (won or lost). But in a season where a lot has gone right, I'll take a win like last night over NY. It was really nice to take the first game after losing 2/3 from them a few weeks ago.
Tonight will be a tough one against Cole, I'm hoping Erod can do it again. It's tough throwing the lefty out there against this RHP lineup but he was on point last week and if he's on point again I think he can at least keep us in this game.
Beating Cole and ensuring that the MFY can't win this series won't be the last nail in the coffin but we're getting close.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 22, 2021 7:31:21 GMT -5
Red Sox fan on October 3rd "Wow, what an amazing season, I hope we can go all the way in the playoffs. I just hope the Sox unexpected level of success didn't screw up their long term rebuild plans"
Bloom on November 4th "ughhhh, that was the rebuild. You're welcome for another World Series"
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 21, 2021 14:03:53 GMT -5
The second teenage arm drafted? that's TB status right there. Seriously though, I love it when prospects come out of left field (It's left field for me at least). And a pitcher too, can't wait to see more of this kid.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 19, 2021 7:02:15 GMT -5
Because of how much this team has exceeded expectations I feel there's always going to be the ball in the guy feeling every time they hit a little skid.
No one wins every series, if you did you'd win around 115 games+. The important thing is they get back on track, at least they weren't swept. But, it's a reminder that there's a lot of baseball left and a lot of AL East action. There are some good teams in the division, even the Yankees could get hot and make things interesting.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 17, 2021 17:24:56 GMT -5
I suppose a lot of people like days old Turkey avacado wraps, it’s just not as good as next day pizza guys but to be fair it’s probably better than day old Chinese food.
I’ll say it again, we’re going to have to part with someone that’s going to hurt more than Chavis if we want meaningful upgrades.
Maybe I’m underestimating his value here, but I’m pretty sure others are estimating it. Maybe we’ll find out?
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 17, 2021 10:11:11 GMT -5
Personally I’d have an easy time turning down a celebrity convincing me not to go to college for no money.
Now Fabian, Fabian is different, because he may end up taking less than he thought he was going to get but he’s still going to become a millionaire.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 17, 2021 10:03:48 GMT -5
It’s not that Michael Chavis doesn’t have value, but rather every team has guys like him.
If Chavis is part of a trade that brings something of significance in, he’s an afterthought and not value added or a main piece. That or you’re trading him for another teams question, or reclamation project.
If we want to bring in good players we have to be willing to give up potentially more in future value. I get not wanting to blow up the farm, and I agree we shouldn’t do so, but we better get comfortable with losing some prospects we really like and not our 5 day old 1/2 eaten Turkey Avacado wrap sitting in the fridge.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 15, 2021 7:01:18 GMT -5
The way Cora has put together lineups this year why not just bat him leadoff? If he comes up all gangbusters ROY style it's a win, if he struggles a little bit he's about as good as a Red Sox leadoff hitter.
While I was half kidding, after writing that last statement I realized I had a 6 weeks ago the state of mind, and Kiké has actually been a rather good leadoff hitter lately.
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