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Post by rjp313jr on May 25, 2022 20:14:35 GMT -5
Jaylen Brown is incredibly intelligent, but he’s a moron on the court.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 25, 2022 15:19:54 GMT -5
Should we be making anything of the rumors from yesterday that 2 Heat players got COVID and couldn’t fly back with the team and then today they cancelled their morning shoot around. There’s silence out of there, it’s weird. It’s probably nothing but it’s weird
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Post by rjp313jr on May 25, 2022 15:18:43 GMT -5
Yeah I just can’t pretend to care about a 30 point lead dwindling to 20 in the last 5 minutes of a 4 quarter blowout and find that to be concerning. There was nothing about that game that concerned me, if they play like that the rest of the playoffs they’ll win the championship You shouldn’t care about that, but you should care that it takes a 30 point lead with 5 minutes to go for those guys to see the court. I have no question this team will attract better veteran minimum guys going forward and oddly enough, I do think Haussers injury affects the depth as I think he could actually play some of these minutes.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 25, 2022 9:19:56 GMT -5
That's the problem, the end of our bench sucks compared to the Heat. Kornet, Fitts and Morgan shouldn't be dressed for a playoff game or on the roster frankly. I don't see how that matters, like it's okay because it didn't matter. We've seen it matter in the playoffs and it's my Ime was so hot. I think you’re looking too hard into garbage players playing in garbage time against another teams garbage players (who are better than our garbage players by a lot) The garbage players do matter tho. It means you still need to play your stars 34 minutes in a blowout or a guy like Horford 33 minutes. I’m surprised Theis didn’t play more, especially when Bam only played 28 minutes.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 25, 2022 5:34:53 GMT -5
Apparently Parker looked great on day 1 of OTA’s* *it’s day 1 of OTA’s The most important thing with Parker will be games played. If he plays, we know he’s good.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 25, 2022 5:28:54 GMT -5
Giannis never changes the way he play based on the score, 100% effort all the time. Shooting and scoring can come and go, effort during the playoffs shouldn't change. Erase that thought from every Celtics player. Up 30 half way through the 4th, increase that score, make it bigger. Destroy teams, never give them a chance. I'm also shocked about the Heat, crazy series. Yet they were well rested, we weren't so that’s no excuse. Yet they do need more time. I'll never understand decreasing days off latter into the playoffs, should be the other way. It’s all about TV
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Post by rjp313jr on May 24, 2022 14:11:52 GMT -5
I liked those Ime timeouts. Showed the team he wasn’t messing around.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 21, 2022 15:58:19 GMT -5
Lowry and Tucker look like they’ll go, Robert Williams now questionable Lowrie makes me nervous, guy is such a gamer but if he’s not 100% he may not help them too much. Rob would be a huge loss… Bam dominates Theis.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 21, 2022 14:18:01 GMT -5
White isn’t scoring well, but the team is scoring well with him on the court and they are playing very good defense. His Net rating is 3rd best on the team behind Pritchard and Horford largely because of the defense when he’s on the court. Outside of his shooting, which is no small thing, he’s been very good otherwise.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 21, 2022 14:07:02 GMT -5
The point is you couldn’t play zone defense which made it easier for guys to go one on one. Today teams “set up that wall”, you couldn’t do that back then. You’re acting like guys couldn’t get to the rim back in the day. They most certainly could. And there was spacing it was just for different reasons. The ball moved and the players moved. Of course there was a lot of post play and there was a lot of physicality. He’s a physical dude though, this isn’t a Durant, Giannis is chiseled and strong as hell. Giannis is also a great playmaker so fitting in during that era wouldn’t be a problem. To say he’d get pushed around defensively when a guy like Bird didn’t seems a bit off. Obviously there would be challenges, but he’s a top 1-5 player in any era. Ok starting at 2 when Jordan played. As is LeBron, where LeBron would suffer is his durability would have ended sooner. You're the only person I've ever heard say it was easier for low post scorers back then, that's just crazy. There wasn't more floor spacing back then, that's crazy . I never said he couldn't get to the rim, I said he couldn't lower his shoulder and push through guys like he does now for 60% of the game. Huge difference. Who said he'd get pushed around? I said he'd get worn down more with big huge low post scorers coming at him every game, something that's almost gone from Modern day basketball. I fully support Ime saying that and even Van Gundy calling it football, but yeah you're 100% right. I think Larry Bird is the perfect example of a guy who would be much better in today's game. He topped out shooting 3.3 three's per game late in his career. Smart worst season he took more shooting 25%. Larry Bird would be taking 10 3 point shots a game in modern basketball. You have to admit there's a massive difference, Bird has years shooting over 40% from deep and he's not even taking 3 attempts per game. The game was different. I think the zone D would hurt Jordan more than help Giannis. It's designed to stop guys like Tatum and Brown driving from the Key. Jordan never drove on a D like that, with all those smaller quicker player swiping at the ball. Not saying he wouldn't be great, it would just make things harder on him. I do believe great player will always be great, that doesn't mean certain eras wouldn't be better for them. Right now is clearly better for guys like Giannis and Embiid than the 80s. I don’t think I said it was easier to score in the post back then. If i did I shouldn’t have; I’m too lazy to go back and read my first post
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Post by rjp313jr on May 20, 2022 9:19:38 GMT -5
Couple of notes so i don’t respond to every post:
1. Jody, get over WCP’s negativity. It’s mostly in game reaction and it’s his process. He doesn’t hate the team, he LOVES the team and is emotional. Also, I suspect there is some reverse mush element to it because I’m the same way. We stay negative so we don’t jinx them.
2. I like Jackson and Van Gundy. They offer some really good insight. Like back in the Bucks series when Tatum took that stupid frustration foul early and it was only his first and JVG called him out in it saying those dumb fouls can come back to haunt star players then all of a sudden Tatum is in foul trouble and sitting in crucial parts of the 4th.
3. Testing athletes that aren’t sick is dumb and if Horford requested it then shame on him.
4. Derek White has been very good this post season despite his scoring touch being off. There have been some signs of that coming to life. If he gets back to shooting how he’s capable of, watch out.
5. This teams 1-8 is phenomenal, after that it’s a train wreck. One of Danny’s worst moves was hanging into Edwards over Struss. He’s exactly what this team needs. The big rotation on this team is really good, we are lucky to have Theis. We do need another young big. I really hope they trade up in the second round and draft Jaylin Williams from Arkansas. He’s be a perfect guy to develop and we have good like with that name. If he drops, which is quite possible, I’d love them to buy a second round pick and take Wendell Moore to have a mature wing depth player too.
6. The reason the 9-12 depth is important is so in a game like last night they can start cycling out their starters earlier and not fall off a cliff. Look at our trash lineup compared to Miami… theirs is way better. Now, whether they win or lose this series the Celtics should be in a spot to attract good veterans at minimum salaries now. Which is a hugely underrated thing.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 20, 2022 9:00:48 GMT -5
He’d only encounter a PF and Center in the paint if his team had their power forward and center in the paint because they can’t sit down there. So it would depend how his team played. You could still spread things out in the 80s and 90s without the threat of a 3 pointer because a team had to guard those guys out there or it was an illegal defense. You could literally put a guy like Shaq in the corner and he had to be guarded. I don’t know why he couldn’t lower his shoulder like he does now and to thru guys, they allowed more contact back then and it’s not like he’s not already hacked. Weren’t most guys like Giannis? Drive and midrange. He’s so good at that. Rjp in that time frame where is the center going to be? They were all low post scorers. That's the whole point there is absolutely no centers camping out on the three point line to create space. Just remember modern day three second and illegal defensive started early 2000s when they updated the rules. It's like the NFL changing the rules on pass interference, it changed the game. You literally are thinking modern age Basketball and trying to apply that to that era, they didn't take centers and put them at the 3 point line. The idea of floor spacing is new, back then it was about moving the ball and low post scoring. He couldn't lower his shoulder like today, because Horford would be allowed to push back. Today Giannis is allowed to be the only physical player, back then they could mual him. It's why Centers and PF had low post moves. It was about skill, not just over powering guys. It's like Jeff Van Gundy said on the air, it was like Football back then. I don't recall a single player like Giannis, the lower the shoulder and try to blow by a guy because the paint is clear. Now when he actually uses some moves like his baby hook, mid range jump shot absolutely. He'd still be a darn great player, it would just look a lot different. He'd also get beat up on D defending those huge guys. The same goes for most players, Horford would be a much different player. Instead of developing a 3 point shot as he got older, he would have refined his post moves. The point is you couldn’t play zone defense which made it easier for guys to go one on one. Today teams “set up that wall”, you couldn’t do that back then. You’re acting like guys couldn’t get to the rim back in the day. They most certainly could. And there was spacing it was just for different reasons. The ball moved and the players moved. Of course there was a lot of post play and there was a lot of physicality. He’s a physical dude though, this isn’t a Durant, Giannis is chiseled and strong as hell. Giannis is also a great playmaker so fitting in during that era wouldn’t be a problem. To say he’d get pushed around defensively when a guy like Bird didn’t seems a bit off. Obviously there would be challenges, but he’s a top 1-5 player in any era. Ok starting at 2 when Jordan played. As is LeBron, where LeBron would suffer is his durability would have ended sooner.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 17, 2022 12:02:17 GMT -5
The physicality was more in those days but you had to play man to man so teams couldn’t pack it in like they do now. As far as Giannis wearing down, that’s because his team sucked not because simply how he plays. His usage numbers were massive offensively and the Celtics were smart and wouldn’t let him rest on defense. If Middleton were there the biggest affect would have been Giannis being able to rest more on the offensive end. So you think the paint was more open in the 80s and 90s? It was early 2000s when they updated three second to today's standards. I'd say the exact opposite, he'd have to go through a PF, then meet a huge center in the paint, both being allowed to be way more physical. The bigs stayed near the basket in those days to rebound and defend, also to score, they weren’t taking three point shots. It was all about ball movement, post moves and being crazy physical. You'd have some ugly low scoring games. In that time period, he'd also get beat up on D more because of low post scoring. The Celtics did almost none of that, like wearing Embiid down because you had Kanter going at him on offense all the time. Ime is 100% right, no way Giannis just bullies a team and gets the calls he does in that period. No way he just lowers his head and bullies his way into the paint play after play. Absolutely he'd still be good, yet he'd do things much differently. The Bucks played darn good when Giannis played team ball, just look at the start of game seven. He just then stops and goes full on iso. 2018 we beat that team with Middleton down Irving and Hayward with team ball. I blame Giannis for too much hero ball and not enough team ball. Look at the assists, he's darn good at it when he wants to, yet very long stretches we're he acts like Irving. Tatum turning down a shot to give Pritchard an easy basket is likely a big reason for game seven he got him going. Giannis acted like he didn't trust his teammates and that's why he ran out of engery. Imagine if he got Gayson Allen going, guy had nice looks and drives all series. Just was ice cold outside game one. Brook Lopez was killing us early game one, then basically nothing. That team has very good shooters, he could have got them crazy good looks all series long, all game long Tatum goes out in the third with that crazy offensive foul, we increase the lead with team Basketball. Grant Williams got open shots through team ball. What Giannis needs Middleton to play team ball? They had the best player and each team had one all-star, then Holiday and Brown, so Giannis needs a massive talent advantage? I'd say the talent was even, with Middleton they'd have a clear talent advantage and still have the best player. He needs a LeBron moment like the 2018 ECF after he lost scoring 50 or whatever it was. It was all our team basketball and he needed to get other players going. He did and they won game seven. He’d only encounter a PF and Center in the paint if his team had their power forward and center in the paint because they can’t sit down there. So it would depend how his team played. You could still spread things out in the 80s and 90s without the threat of a 3 pointer because a team had to guard those guys out there or it was an illegal defense. You could literally put a guy like Shaq in the corner and he had to be guarded. I don’t know why he couldn’t lower his shoulder like he does now and to thru guys, they allowed more contact back then and it’s not like he’s not already hacked. Weren’t most guys like Giannis? Drive and midrange. He’s so good at that.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 17, 2022 5:26:20 GMT -5
Giannis wouldn't have a physical edge in the 80s and 90s, he'd be hammered every game. Now he'd have a quickness advantage over a bunch of guys, yet he gets worn down now and playoff basketball is what 50% less physical than the 80s or 90s. The paint was always clogged with big centers and PF, three point shooting and crazy floor spacing wasn't what it is today, not even close. At the same time he'd be force to expained his game and not just run over guys. I think he’s capable of that. Heck it's what he should do now. Instead he takes threes to save engery, yet a nice hook shot and turn around jumpers would be better for him. If Horford and Grant Williams can wear him down, the 80s and 90s would certainly effect him. That's a PF and SF during that time. I agree with this *somewhat*, because defenders were allowed to do what is considered illegal defense now (in terms of both positioning and physicality). But he would also hammer defenders and is quite a force of his own, so in this sense a lot of his charges also would not have been called. So it goes both ways in my opinion and Giannis is such a physical outlier that he would still absolutely dominate. The physicality was more in those days but you had to play man to man so teams couldn’t pack it in like they do now. As far as Giannis wearing down, that’s because his team sucked not because simply how he plays. His usage numbers were massive offensively and the Celtics were smart and wouldn’t let him rest on defense. If Middleton were there the biggest affect would have been Giannis being able to rest more on the offensive end.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 17, 2022 5:23:05 GMT -5
Do you get tired of being wrong, you've been negative every step of the way. I do see you finally acknowledged you were wrong. When posting during games it’s different - there isn’t a separate game day thread for the Celtics and people vent and have their process. It’s a smaller group in this Celtics thread and those of us who’ve been here for years understand each other’s processes. It’s part venting and part superstition for some of us.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 16, 2022 12:31:04 GMT -5
A few thoughts. Doesn't this sound like Ime taking a shot at the Bucks for tanking? "This is what we played for, why we played the season out, to have home-court advantage in a Game 7. If you believe in the basketball gods, those things matter,” Udoka said. Two, I would love to see how Giannis would have done in the 80s and 90s when he wouldn't have gotten the huge advantage he gets now. Giannis’s game is tailor made for for the 80s and 90s. He would have been awesome then too.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 15, 2022 19:57:44 GMT -5
The Mavs are curb stomping the Suns right now…
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Post by rjp313jr on May 14, 2022 12:10:54 GMT -5
After we win the championship lol, Jaylen Brown needs to spend the offseason working on his dribbling. It's the one thing holding back his offense. He's so athletic and can get wherever he wants, the ball just doesn't stay with him. He’s improved so much with it; there are times it’s phenomenal but he loses that feel way too often. However, it’s encouraging how far it’s come .
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Post by rjp313jr on May 11, 2022 16:45:42 GMT -5
Sean Marks with some really interesting comments when asked about being committed to Kyrie.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 11, 2022 16:45:11 GMT -5
I think giving Smart real reps on Giannis would be the sharp move in this game. He’s Boston’s craftiest defender, and Giannis would have to worry about every dribble being poked or spinning into a human charge call. Any doubling on Giannis at this point is infuriating. Giannis has power, and he has an array of finishing moves. But he’s a mediocre mid range shooter, he’s a crappy 3 pt shooter, and has run out of gas in the 4th quarter in several of these games. Let him do his little Shaq impression for a bunch of hard fought 2 point field goals. You don’t think fighting those double teams is part of draining his energy?
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Post by rjp313jr on May 10, 2022 12:14:50 GMT -5
I think Payton Pritchard has been rather good helping this team move the ball, 5th in assists while 8th in minutes. He just needs to find his outside shot, one of the sneaky keys going forward. He’s missed some great looks. His minutes are way down this series and his shot has suffered as a result.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 10, 2022 9:15:54 GMT -5
I don’t like where this Grant stuff is going. Can’t we all just enjoy how great he’s been compared to what he was? Guys turned himself into a key cog who’s been a key part to SOME closing lineups in big games. He’s played really defense, for good stretches, not all game, against two of the most difficult guys to defend in the league and is a smart team defender. Not to mention a very reliable 3 point shooter. He’s not an all-star, he’s not making the all defensive team and if he plays too long it’s not great. So let’s not blow him up but let’s not push him down either. As Celtics fans we should all be over the moon about the player he’s turned himself into. Yeah it was just a bad game for him, he’s been great these playoffs Did anybody actually call him the best defender in the league or is Umass just making up arguments to dunk on? Pretty sure it was the announcers going overboard with him
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Post by rjp313jr on May 10, 2022 6:06:31 GMT -5
Lol Grant Williams is the best defender in the league, as multiple guys go right by him. I don’t like where this Grant stuff is going. Can’t we all just enjoy how great he’s been compared to what he was? Guys turned himself into a key cog who’s been a key part to SOME closing lineups in big games. He’s played really defense, for good stretches, not all game, against two of the most difficult guys to defend in the league and is a smart team defender. Not to mention a very reliable 3 point shooter. He’s not an all-star, he’s not making the all defensive team and if he plays too long it’s not great. So let’s not blow him up but let’s not push him down either. As Celtics fans we should all be over the moon about the player he’s turned himself into.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 10, 2022 5:55:05 GMT -5
This thread was a joy to read this morning.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 8, 2022 4:59:15 GMT -5
Even in this loss this team showed me how much they’ve grown up.
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