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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 27, 2024 11:53:54 GMT -5
Now we just need another great 6th round!
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 27, 2024 11:44:31 GMT -5
I'm happy with this draft. No idea on the OL men but good to have inside and outside options, and I like the skill players so far. Yeah it's certainly a build around Drake Maye draft.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 27, 2024 11:42:49 GMT -5
I do I have to mention they passed on a bunch of defensive talent I loved to pick another upside OG, Mohamed Kamara, Cedric Grey, DTD the safety and 4 very good CBs.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 27, 2024 11:37:27 GMT -5
Finally, yes!
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 27, 2024 0:32:26 GMT -5
I certainly didn't love the Polk pick, as someone said it's hitting a safe double. That isn't a horrible thing though. This isn't Strange or Thornton pick. He's a good safe player that makes us better. Funny that the guy who coached both wanted Polk, not McMillan. B+
Wallace is a good solid player, tons of experience and a good solid technician. You see a pattern developing, good solid experienced players. The draft guys love to hype up upside guys with tons of boom or bust. I get it, this is much more of a reach though. Need is big, but did you even come close to getting best value? I get focusing on floor, but is he the highest floor player? It won't matter if he's great, it certainly will if you are wrong. I find myself going did they really want both LT next year converting from RT? C+
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 26, 2024 19:52:02 GMT -5
I thought McMillian the other Washington WR was Meyers comp but faster without contested catch abilities?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 26, 2024 19:17:46 GMT -5
Everybody compares him to Meyers with a little more juice after catch Most also see him as a day 1 starter Pretty clear the league doesn’t like something about Mitchell as much as the scouting community, whether that be performance/medicals/character idk. If it’s character I could see why a young team trying to establish a new culture would avoid the possible headache Been hearing crap that makes him sound like Pickens. Doesn't always play 100%, but it was only a few people. Talking about Mitchell, not Polk.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 26, 2024 18:00:21 GMT -5
Yeah JPJ isn't a huge need, he might be the best and safest offensive player available. I have to remind myself, this rebuild won't be one year. No draft will ever check all boxes.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 26, 2024 17:45:11 GMT -5
Big thing with Baker who I also really like is UCF moved into big 12 this year. So he did that against quality teams, four teams in final top 25 ranking. He also took off after the QB change.
Tons of WR I really like in this draft, not a lot of pure X guys left. Tons of slot and Z guys, the strength of our WR core.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 26, 2024 12:08:51 GMT -5
I'm so torn what to do with these next two picks, which is a first for me. Not that I don't like a bunch of players. It's about the vision of who's available later. A few weeks ago I would have said Mitchell and run up the pick. More digging I'm getting George Pickens vipes. I've loved OT Jones for months, hand usage and footwork are easily fixable things. PFF that rates him crazy high, one of the best graded OT in College football just kept lowering his draft grade into the 100s. Not a huge fan of crazy raw OT this high. Safest WR is likely McConkey, he's just not an X WR. It's just hard, I didn't watch anything more than highlight tape on these WR and that doesn't tell you much. JPJ is probably the best OL guy that's crazy safe left. Andrews long-term replacement and OG till then. Appealing to teams who like to run because he's huge for a center. Not a huge fan of just pushing one of Strong or Sow out so quickly and how long does Andrews keep playing? Best player available might be CBs, DT Newton/Fiske and LB Payton Wilson who I just love. Thing is there's good depth at all 3 of those positions later in draft and they aren't big needs. Also think they add a veteran CB after draft and we still have Boden after a red shirt year. Maybe a trade down is the right move. Do we target Walker to give Maye his top target? Guy has massive upside, he's just not the type of WR I normally target. Kinda raw, limited route tree, not a great route runner, had some drops and injuries. I'm just lost, what do you guys think we should do? I'd be interested in seeing what the value of that 2nd round pick is to teams. If you can get a 1st next year, would you consider it? I'd probably take a tackle because I think you can get a good WR in the 3rd. I don't want to trade for anyone who won't be apart of a core 3 years from now. Maybe, but those have become much more rare over the years. I'd love some more picks in the 3rd, 4th and 5th round. I see a drop off starting after the 5th round, then again guys will likely drop. We'll have to wait and see how bad teams want to move up after the Bills likely take a WR.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 26, 2024 11:48:03 GMT -5
I'm so torn what to do with these next two picks, which is a first for me. Not that I don't like a bunch of players. It's about the vision of who's available later. A few weeks ago I would have said Mitchell and run up the pick. More digging I'm getting George Pickens vipes. I've loved OT Jones for months, hand usage and footwork are easily fixable things. PFF that rates him crazy high, one of the best graded OT in College football just kept lowering his draft grade into the 100s. Not a huge fan of crazy raw OT this high.
Safest WR is likely McConkey, he's just not an X WR. It's just hard, I didn't watch anything more than highlight tape on these WR and that doesn't tell you much.
JPJ is probably the best OL guy that's crazy safe left. Andrews long-term replacement and OG till then. Appealing to teams who like to run because he's huge for a center. Not a huge fan of just pushing one of Strong or Sow out so quickly and how long does Andrews keep playing?
Best player available might be CBs, DT Newton/Fiske and LB Payton Wilson who I just love. Thing is there's good depth at all 3 of those positions later in draft and they aren't big needs. Also think they add a veteran CB after draft and we still have Boden after a red shirt year.
Maybe a trade down is the right move.
Do we target Walker to give Maye his top target? Guy has massive upside, he's just not the type of WR I normally target. Kinda raw, limited route tree, not a great route runner, had some drops and injuries.
I'm just lost, what do you guys think we should do?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 26, 2024 11:12:21 GMT -5
It still blows my mind people are upset about getting Maye. He has all the ingredients to be a stud QB. The only real problem is that right now he's just clay and his career will depend on how the Patriots mold him. He needs to sit and work on his weaknesses for the season. The Patriots having one of the better defenses I think can only help him in practice. He's young, big, and has a canon arm and can move in the pocket. I liked when someone referred to Maye as, "Gronk if he was your QB". He's not just clay, that's not what the 2022 tape says. I'd draft him just off his 2023 tape, no question about it. The thing is his 2022 tape is way better with more talent. Too many people only want to judge him off what he did recently. Think Zappe when he got a full week practice starting with talent versus Zappe down two OL guys and a bunch of weapons, no run game being asked to throw every pass at end of the year. It went from wow Zappe is way better to Jones to Zappe sucks also. That's what I see on tape with Maye losing his top two WR, multiple OL starters and OC. His new WR while talented was kinda a one trick pony who's play was very up and down. He missed a bunch of games. His WR drop tons of passes and his OL sucks. He doesn't have time in the pocket and badly misses his great slot WR in Josh Downs. I still want him to sit for a while, but I do fear he's going to push for a starting spot much earlier than people think.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 25, 2024 21:48:06 GMT -5
Wolf is way to focused on trading down and more picks.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 25, 2024 20:39:12 GMT -5
Is a defensive player going to be picked in the first round?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 25, 2024 20:35:12 GMT -5
Now who takes Rattler?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 25, 2024 18:35:29 GMT -5
My late round TE sleeper is Erik All, injury concerns but has been productive at both Michigan and Iowa. Pure receiving type TE type. If you want a late round blocker AJ Barner and Brevyn Spann-Ford. I've seen both described as best blockers in this class, but there isn't any agreements on that as a bunch of players have been called that. Just guys rated to go late 6th to 7th/undrafted. I have strong feelings on this subject, as I used to play TE in HS (badly I would add). (1) TE is a hybrid position. You need to be able to both block and receive. Obviously, players have different balances of the two skill sets, but if a TE sucks at blocking, and he is only going to be used for receiving, then you might as well just put a WR the field. Similarly, if a TE sucks at receiving, and he is only going to be used for blocking, then you might as well just put another OT on the field. (2) the PFF blocking grades for TEs can be a bit deceiving. You have to know who the TE is being asked to block. Unlike other positions, a TE could be regularly asked to block 180 lb defensive backs, or 230 lb LBs, or 270 lb DEs. Of this years TEs: Brock Bowers - excellent receiver. Best YAC guy in the draft. As a blocker, he absolutely mauls DBs and LBs. He is a bit small to handle DEs but he does as well as a 240 lber could possibly do against a DE. I am "wicked pissed" we have so many other needs this year. He would be so much fun to have around for the next decade. JaTavion Sanders - not a blocker Ben Sinnott - a 2nd (or maybe 3rd) rate Brock Bowers. Same strengths and weaknesses (size) but less so. He is good against DBs and LBs and at least puts up a fight against DEs. HE would be ok. Cade Stover - excellent hands but not a great separator. He regularly faces DEs and does a good job. He would be ok. Theo Johnson - not sure. Have not watched his tape. lower round TEs Tip Reiman - big. Good blocker. He can face DEs. At the combine, he did very well in the movement tests. He doesn't look that athletic on the field. Was not used much as a receiver. Might possibly be ok. A.J. Barner - he is a good blocker and can handle DEs. He was not used that much as a receiver. Only 249 yards this year and 99 of those were in one game. Combine was not impressive. Brevyn Spann-Ford - he is big, but not usable as a receiver. This year: 26% drop rate. 28% contested catch rate. I don't agree, heck I'd say most TE in NFL aren't both good receivers and blockers. Plenty of great, good and even average guys had long careers basically being one or the other. You just better be really good at receiving or blocking if that's all you do. Just receiver TE go higher, just blockers should be low picks. You don't put a WR on the field over just a receiving TE because you want the mismatch. CBs can't cover huge TEs, so you get them on safeties and LBers.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 25, 2024 18:27:15 GMT -5
So you have not one example to back up your claims? I just checked a bunch of the top TEs, they all had very good to great production in College. Hunter Henry 4.79 40 is a top ten TE in the NFL production wise if he has a good QB throwing to him. Edit. Zach Ertz 4.76 and Ben Coates 4.95 lol Ben Coates? You silly little goose. Mark Andrews was your best example, and even he had a 7.6 RAS. My examples are pretty much all the best tight ends. The examples of elite testers include Kittle, Kelce, Gronk etc. They all are great testers with better production in the pros. And that will be all on this topic from me. I like Erick All btw This started as elite athleticism matters more than production for NFL success. Then it's good TE, now the best ones lol What are you even saying now? The conversation completely shifted. I don't disagree that if you want an elite or best TE you want a good athlete, but he needs good production also. Henry isn't close to an elite TE, but he's had a ton of NFL success and he's not close to an elite athlete. There's more like him, as you bring up Mark Andrews. There are no elite or best TEs that had Reiman production in College, it's why you can't give a single example. The best example, who's a unicorn is Kittle and his production was still way better. If you want an elite TE, athletic ability and production both matter!
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 25, 2024 11:51:13 GMT -5
My late round TE sleeper is Erik All, injury concerns but has been productive at both Michigan and Iowa. Pure receiving type TE type.
If you want a late round blocker AJ Barner and Brevyn Spann-Ford. I've seen both described as best blockers in this class, but there isn't any agreements on that as a bunch of players have been called that. Just guys rated to go late 6th to 7th/undrafted.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 25, 2024 11:30:22 GMT -5
This is good for the Celtics and some fans, playoff basketball is different and we've had problems for years with it. We also won't have the best coach most series. It's not just about talent in playoffs, it's about the team that plays the best, game plans and coaching.
We are just lucky they are down two starters or things could be very interesting.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 25, 2024 11:02:27 GMT -5
You have examples to back that up? Closet recent guy to Tip Reiman RAS score and production wise is Chase Harrell, who hasn't played a single snap in the NFL since 2020 after going undrafted. My examples are every good tight end in the league. You’d be less likely to come up with a single example of a poor athletic tester at tight end becoming an above average starter in today’s NFL. So Reiman is worth a dart throw. Edit: your best example is probably Mark Andrews, who ran a 4.67 at 6’5 256. So you have not one example to back up your claims? I just checked a bunch of the top TEs, they all had very good to great production in College. Hunter Henry 4.79 40 is a top ten TE in the NFL production wise if he has a good QB throwing to him. Edit. Zach Ertz 4.76 and Ben Coates 4.95 lol
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 25, 2024 9:59:29 GMT -5
Tipman at 137? Can you say Dalton Keene? His production over 3 years equal total what he should have in one year to get picked that high. Yes he's a great athlete, better than Keene given his size, but has almost no catching production. His teammate Isaiah Williams slot WR is the guy you want from that program, kinda reminds me of Edelman. I've done enough mocks to know the value of the talent available at 137, it's very good. Falls off a cliff by pick 180. Still you'd have a hard time saying Tipman is great value at pick 180. That's just such a Bill pick, guys excited to play special teams. I just don't see how Tipman at 137 is a dream scenario. Heck a lot of those picks are picking guys early, not getting great value picking them latter. I can get on board with a bunch of them because I love the combination of Baker and Means to rebuild the X position. General rule of thumb, you don't overdraft a guy at a position in this draft that's rated the worst in the whole draft. Sorry still having flashbacks of trading up for Keene. Recent history shows that elite athleticism at tight end matters far more than production when translating NFL success. It’s basically a dart throw. You have examples to back that up? Closet recent guy to Tip Reiman RAS score and production wise is Chase Harrell, who hasn't played a single snap in the NFL since 2020 after going undrafted.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 24, 2024 16:18:09 GMT -5
CBS is final rankings, doesn't have date, PFF doesn't have date, but it's the current ranking, Athlon 2 days ago, Sporting current ranking done April 4th, must be waiting till draft day for final update or they aren't doing one.
Athlon draft magazine before combine has him undrafted. Lindys draft magazine before combine has him undrafted, blocking specialist/maybe OL convert. So he certainly moved up in Athlons ranking, which I have no problem with. It's the undrafted maybe 7th round pick to top 100 guy crap that is crazy.
To each there own, for me it's crazy and guys doing it because it's a crazy weak TE class.
I still remember the debates about Keene being the next George Kittle because he tested well.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 24, 2024 13:47:53 GMT -5
Athlon 192 CBS 209 PFF 202 Sporting news not in top 200
You can't make a case he should be higher than those grades unless you wanna act like the AL Davis Raiders and it's all just about drafting athletes, not actual football players. I stay away from all crazy high risers after combine if they don't have the production and skill to match it. He's one of the most extreme in the draft.
Dream scenario you get Cade Stover type guy at that pick.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 24, 2024 10:43:39 GMT -5
If you want to look at need, looking at this year and next, RB, DE, DT and LB are all sneaky type needs.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 24, 2024 10:30:10 GMT -5
Tipman at 137? Can you say Dalton Keene? His production over 3 years equal total what he should have in one year to get picked that high. Yes he's a great athlete, better than Keene given his size, but has almost no catching production. His teammate Isaiah Williams slot WR is the guy you want from that program, kinda reminds me of Edelman.
I've done enough mocks to know the value of the talent available at 137, it's very good. Falls off a cliff by pick 180. Still you'd have a hard time saying Tipman is great value at pick 180. That's just such a Bill pick, guys excited to play special teams. I just don't see how Tipman at 137 is a dream scenario. Heck a lot of those picks are picking guys early, not getting great value picking them latter. I can get on board with a bunch of them because I love the combination of Baker and Means to rebuild the X position.
General rule of thumb, you don't overdraft a guy at a position in this draft that's rated the worst in the whole draft. Sorry still having flashbacks of trading up for Keene.
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