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Red Sox trade Iglesias, Wendelken, Rondon & Montas for Peavy
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Post by GyIantosca on Jul 31, 2013 8:27:35 GMT -5
Even in the Duquette era the Sox made deals but never in all the years have I seen our system so strong even with Theo . Back in the day Peavy deal would of pretty much would clean us. This deal didn't even touch our top 30. Iggy isn't a prospect anymore.
I knew we had a good system but this blows my mind. Do you guys understand we could pretty much get anyone right now. Any guy you watch on the TV. You could never say that before. I am so happy right now.
I consider Iggy a major leaguer now . Nice job the future is bright.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2013 8:28:43 GMT -5
Sometimes the background on trade negotiations comes out and it will be interesting to see if Alex writes an article on that.
Speculation but I would imagine that the back three prospects were agreed to pretty quickly and that the Red Sox wanted Middlebrooks to headline the trade. The ChiSox said no and countered with a better prospect (Bogarts, Checcini etc.). That's when they got Detroit involved. Detroit must really love Iglesias because they gave up a pretty good prospect and a hard throwing reliever for a guy who has a minimal major league track record.
I like this trade, because like others on the board I am starting to doubt Iglesias' bat, and there is every indication that Bogarts can play SS, at least for the first few years of his career. Whomever the Red Sox find to play 3B, weather it be Middlebrooks or someone else, they maybe better off with Bogarts at SS and that player at 3B than Iglesias at SS and Bogarts at 3B. If Bogarts can really play SS, that's where he has the most value.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 31, 2013 8:32:56 GMT -5
I don't get how you can have watched Iggy hit everyday and be sad to see him go for Peavy. There are only 2 explanations:
1. You don't watch him play every day and just look at the numbers, because even when he was "hitting" he wasn't squaring much if anything up. Don't point o his " power numbers" because h had more bloop doubles and infield choppers then anyone ever.
2. You have no idea how good Peavy is. He hasn't had a real " pitchers injury" since 2010, which last caused him to miss time in 2011. The guy has been very good since then, with his numbers inflated a bit by pitching with a broken rib.
Maybe it's both.
Also, whether Buchholz does or doesn't return has no bearing on the awesomeness of this trade. Peavy makes the team better with or without clay. Those of you saying it created a hole at :3b are missing the fact that Iggy WAS a hole at 3b. They already had it, now we don't have to pretend like its not there. Maybe Xander gets the call.
The people calling for Michael Young need to understand he went on record saying he'd only accept a trade to Texas. Get him off your mind unless that stance changes.
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Post by elguapo on Jul 31, 2013 8:35:02 GMT -5
Upon further review, I don't like it. I wanted Bogaerts AND Iglesias at SS. Bradley & Victorino could handle the OF.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Jul 31, 2013 8:35:34 GMT -5
Iglesias is a good player, will very likely be a solid SS for years. That's a real asset. It's just that it was worth a lot less to the Sox than just about anyone else because of Xander. So, to us, it feels like a steal, but it really isn't. I think most unbiased observers would consider it a solid win for the Sox, but the Tigers got value in Iglesias, and the WS clearly wanted the prospects.
Good, creative trade by Ben, bringing in the Tigers to keep everything lined up to deal from a position of strength.
But, as others have said, I'll sure miss watching Iglesias play defense. Iglesias-Pedroia might have been the best defensive middle infield I've ever seen, certainly on the Sox. The two of them turning a double play was artistry.
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Post by kungfuizzy on Jul 31, 2013 8:37:06 GMT -5
I can imagine that the negotiations went like this Cherington: Hey Rick lets talk Peavy Hahn: Give me JBJ and Boegarts Cherington: Nah what about Montas Hahn: Who? Cherington: He can throw 100 mph ill also throw in Rondon. I'm getting Detroit involved too. Hahn: Rondon sounds great he can throw gas. I want Bradley too. Cherington: Eh ill do Montas and 2 small minor leaguers. Hahn: Nah I'm sorry...ill pass. Jake is a big part of our future and is very valuable to the Chicago organization (Phone Drops) Hahn: I guess the phone dropped Cherington: Sorry about that I just had to take Bradley Jr out of the game. What do you think about Cliff Lee? (pauses) Hahn: Okay you can have Peavy. So does Brad Pitt play Cherington in the movie? Every good movie needs a sequel. Two years in a row Cherington has made a phenomenal deal. With the money that was saved the Red Sox were able to get the following Napoli Victorino (solid when healthy) Drew Peavy Dempster Ross (he's been good when healthy) He has added to the farm system with Webster and RDLR. He sold on Omar Vizquel minus the bat. The main point is with all of those bloated contracts they unloaded last year the Sox were able to reinvest their money in a smart manner. Never would have been able to pull the trigger if LA didn't bail the Sox out last year.
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Post by jdb on Jul 31, 2013 8:39:39 GMT -5
I love this trade. Iggy could hit eventually down the road but odds are he is the next Adam Everett. Peavy is a damn good pitcher and looking at his game logs if you take out the start he was hurt in 6 ERs in 2.1 innings his line looks a lot better. Im not sure he wasn't bothered by the rib issue the start before either 6 ERs in 4 innings. He has had 10 good starts out of 13. Going 6+ innings with under 4 ERs. I think Iggy will help Detroit down the stretch but we cant overlook what Peavy could do for us this year and in 2014. He could even provide us a comp pick the following June. www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=peavyja01&t=p&year=
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Post by elguapo on Jul 31, 2013 8:40:37 GMT -5
1. Tigers, great move, found a SS of the future at minimal cost . . . . . 2. Red Sox . . 3. White Sox
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Post by kungfuizzy on Jul 31, 2013 8:44:52 GMT -5
1. Tigers, great move, found a SS of the future at minimal cost . . . . . 2. Red Sox . . 3. White Sox Garcia is a big cost. I'm sure if you do player comps, Iglesias compares more to John McDonald than Ozzie Smith
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Post by jimoh on Jul 31, 2013 8:45:57 GMT -5
One funny way to look at this is that we just acquired one pitcher who hurt himself in the shower, and another who mysteriously broke a rib.
I'd still like to know how he broke that rib.
But great trade!
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Post by qutennis5 on Jul 31, 2013 9:00:20 GMT -5
Ok trade. Don't love it, don't hate it.
Peavy had a very nice year last season but he has been hurt/unimpressive every other year since 2009. He's 32 and expensive through next year. Meh.
I liked Iglesias and don't like losing him, but it's not a terrible price to pay for a 4th starter on a year when this team should be making a push for a deep playoff run.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 31, 2013 9:03:16 GMT -5
1. Tigers, great move, found a SS of the future at minimal cost Garcia is a consensus top 100 prospect. If you knew anything about Garcia, you likely would have traded Iggy straight up for him. Garcia would have probably been in the top 6 in our system (higher than Iggy). I think it was a win-win for BOS and DET. CHW only loses because they could not replicate the outstanding haul CHC received for Garza.
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Post by qutennis5 on Jul 31, 2013 9:04:18 GMT -5
Even in the Duquette era the Sox made deals but never in all the years have I seen our system so strong even with Theo . Back in the day Peavy deal would of pretty much would clean us. This deal didn't even touch our top 30. Iggy isn't a prospect anymore. I knew we had a good system but this blows my mind. Do you guys understand we could pretty much get anyone right now. Any guy you watch on the TV. You could never say that before. I am so happy right now. I consider Iggy a major leaguer now . Nice job the future is bright. except the current system is so strong in great part b/c of Theo. JBJ, X, Owens, Cecchini, Ranaudo, Barnes, Swihart, Workman, Britton and a few more were all drafted or IFA signings when Theo was here. He also signed Iglesias, which is the reason we were able to acquire Peavy.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 31, 2013 9:08:39 GMT -5
1. Tigers, great move, found a SS of the future at minimal cost Garcia is a consensus top 100 prospect. ...but man does that guy need some plate discipline. The few times I've watched him he actually made Middlebrooks seem selective. I suppose that makes him a perfect candidate for a spot on Chicago's roster.
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Post by elguapo on Jul 31, 2013 9:11:14 GMT -5
1. Tigers, great move, found a SS of the future at minimal cost Garcia is a consensus top 100 prospect. He's toolsy and I'm not a believer. Maybe he'll eventually hit like Alex Rios.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 31, 2013 9:13:09 GMT -5
Garcia is a consensus top 100 prospect. He's toolsy and I'm not a believer. Maybe he'll eventually hit like Alex Rios. You could say the same for Iglesias, except exchange Alex Rios for Ozzie Smith
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Post by Guidas on Jul 31, 2013 9:14:39 GMT -5
I was as big an Iglesias supporter as anyone here, but I think this is a good trade as long as Peavy holds together. I hate the idea of helping the Tigers shore up their defense for the stretch run, especially when we still have 3 head-to-head games against them. Montas is intriguing, but he could crater and never advance beyond AA. I'd do this deal every time.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Jul 31, 2013 9:16:40 GMT -5
I think this is a good solid trade for everyone involved.
The Tigers gave up a top 100 prospect for Iglesias. I'm not the biggest fan of Garcia, but they definitely payed for Iglesias' recent success. I still think it is a good deal for them because it addresses a long term hole and a short term need (Peralta getting suspended/FA).
The Red Sox traded from an area of depth to add pitching. I don't see Peavy as a huge upgrade, but it is enough of an upgrade in a tight AL East race to be worth the cost. With Drew this year and Bogaerts next, it made sense to move Iglesias. I also like the chances that the Red Sox are able to recoup any long term cost from losing Iglesias either by trading a starter this off season or potentially netting a 1st round pick when Peavy leaves (not a guarantee). I also think the Red Sox did really well by not having to give up better secondary pieces in this deal. Montas is a solid prospect, but Rondon and Wendelken were not even on this sites top 60 prospects and appear to be more organizational filler than anything else. I'm glad they didn't have to include another Betts/Rijo/Kukuk type.
I think the White Sox faired the worst in this deal. I'm lower on Garcia than most, but higher on Montas. I think they should have done better with the 3rd/4th pieces in the deal though. Overall, an okay haul but nothing to write home about.
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Post by brendan98 on Jul 31, 2013 9:24:33 GMT -5
I loved the idea of Iglesias playing SS for the Sox for the next 10 years, I have not been shy to make comparisons to Ozzie defensively, and still feel that is true. I truly believe that defense at premium positions (C, SS, CF) is invaluable, and that the runs that an elite defender saves over the course of a season, by making plays that the average defender would not, is unquantifiable. With the defensive metrics that are out there now, maybe the runs that are saved might be something you could put an approximate number on, however there are other factors that cannot be quantified (2 extra outs against the Tigers might be the difference between Miggy batting 3rd in the 9th inning of a 1 run game and 5th) and that cannot be measured by any defensive metrics.
All that being said, the Red Sox had the depth to do this deal, I would have been against giving up Iglesias, if Bogaerts, WMB, and Cecchini were not all very close to the big leagues. I think all of us will be in disbelief if Xander is not the Red Sox opening day SS next year, and while his defense will likely not make any of us forget Iglesias, his bat should compensate 10 times over. I still think WMB is going to be a legit power hitting MLB 3B, but Cecchini will be breathing down his neck next year if he struggles again.
The Sox farm system is as strong as I ever remember it being, it is going to be fun to watch these kids grow up as MLB players right before our eyes. The best thing about yesterday’s trade (for me) was that none of our top 10 prospects (plus WMB and Workman) had to be included in the deal.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jul 31, 2013 9:43:03 GMT -5
I was as big an Iglesias supporter as anyone here, but I think this is a good trade as long as Peavy holds together. I hate the idea of helping the Tigers shore up their defense for the stretch run, especially when we still have 3 head-to-head games against them. Montas is intriguing, but he could crater and never advance beyond AA. I'd do this deal every time. I value Iggy's skills too. But, I want to give Bogaerts a chance to play shortstop next year. After playing him at 3b for the rest of this year. Value of adding a starting pitcher instead of your backup inf. is too good to pass up. And, I don't feel Marerro is too far behind Iggy from reports. I haven't seen him play. But, only 4 errors in 76 games is really impressive. Playing on minor league fields ain't easy. He's a good fallback if Xander can't play short.
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Post by Gwell55 on Jul 31, 2013 9:49:31 GMT -5
Actually, all it says to me is that the Sox need a utility infielder who can backup second and SS? After all Middlebrooks or Snyder isn't going to be effective there if someone gets hurt early in a game as neither one has a game there!
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Post by theaveragefan88 on Jul 31, 2013 9:57:47 GMT -5
Love the trade. Holt being called up was the obvious move because he can back up the other infield spots, but I will be really disappointed if they stick with Snyder for very long. Either give WMB a chance to earn his job back or unleash the X-Man, but don't go with a 4A 3B as an everyday player.
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Post by semperfisox on Jul 31, 2013 9:58:27 GMT -5
really thought we'd have to give up more to get Peavy. Just losing Iglesias? Win.
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Post by Gwell55 on Jul 31, 2013 10:16:03 GMT -5
1. Tigers, great move, found a SS of the future at minimal cost or who could very well be Adam Everett at a guaranteed 2+Million a year contract . . . . . 2. Red Sox . . 3. White Sox There fixed it for ya
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Post by dfwsox on Jul 31, 2013 10:17:05 GMT -5
Like the trade. I do like Iggy but like most I dont ever see him hitting a bunch, his babip i dont think can stay at the level it is. They did give up a major leaguer in Iggy who will play outstanding defense but I think we can do and should do much better at 3rd than that. Peavy will fit right in I think.
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