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9/30-10/2 Wild Card Games Thread
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 30, 2013 20:31:39 GMT -5
Joe West is a glory hog but he's a pretty good umpire. He doesn't deserve to be in the category of Bucknor/Hernandez/Gibson. Gibson is my least favorite. He combines pretty poor umpiring with a generally awful demeanor. There was a Sox-Yankees game back in '05 that I still haven't forgiven him for. Bronson Arroyo threw strike three to Gary Sheffield with probably the best curve he's every thrown, and it was called a ball. I'm still bitter.
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Post by grandsalami on Sept 30, 2013 20:59:03 GMT -5
Washington better be gone if they don't win
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Post by mredsox89 on Sept 30, 2013 21:37:19 GMT -5
Tampa just got robbed. Yay 6 man umpire crews who still can't get a trap call correct in CF. Good thing we have technology within 10 seconds to see a replay but we can't actually use it
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Post by grandsalami on Sept 30, 2013 21:59:03 GMT -5
washington is an idiot... Which is not really news
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Sept 30, 2013 22:14:27 GMT -5
washington is an idiot... Which is not really news By all accounts he's a great coach and players love him. Qualities he could bring to a major league coaching staff WITHOUT being the guy charged with making tactical decisions, by the way.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Sept 30, 2013 22:21:00 GMT -5
Price is gonna be tough. I'm sure some that were scared to face them are a little more scared.
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Post by jmei on Sept 30, 2013 22:28:34 GMT -5
Price is good, but that Texas offense is nowhere as good as it was in recent years. Moore is nowhere near as intimidating (any pitcher with a 4.55 BB/9 is going to struggle against this Boston lineup) while Archer is merely good but not great. Cobb is a guy I'd be afraid of, though, as his combo of good command and lots of ground balls could be trouble. I'd much rather face the Indians, but I'd still have the Red Sox as comfortable favorites against the Rays.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 30, 2013 22:56:01 GMT -5
I don't see the Sox as comfortable favorites against the Rays. I could see them as comfortable favorites against Cleveland, who I think will have their ten game winning streak end on Wednesday night.
Moore has been shaky as far as his control goes and the Sox need to take Game 1. If not they could be staring at an 0-2 deficit given the way they hit or don't hit David Price. My best hope concerning Price was that this complete game effort was taxing to his arm. I'd hate to see Price twice in 5 games. If they split in Boston and then in Tampa Bay, I wouldn't like my chances in a Game 5 vs Price.
I was hoping that Toronto would complete their comeback against Tampa, but they fell short. I was hoping Price would fail in the one place he's been terrible, but he was his ace self and my last hope is that somehow Danny Salazar shuts down Tampa and Cobb somehow has an off game.
I'm trying to think of Texas as the sacrificial lamb that got stuck facing Price rather than Cleveland who will still have their hands full with Cobb, but the more I look at it the more I think the Sox will indeed be facing Tampa Bay, the team I least want to see in the first round.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Oct 1, 2013 6:32:50 GMT -5
I don't see the Sox as comfortable favorites against the Rays. I could see them as comfortable favorites against Cleveland, who I think will have their ten game winning streak end on Wednesday night. Moore has been shaky as far as his control goes and the Sox need to take Game 1. If not they could be staring at an 0-2 deficit given the way they hit or don't hit David Price. My best hope concerning Price was that this complete game effort was taxing to his arm. I'd hate to see Price twice in 5 games. If they split in Boston and then in Tampa Bay, I wouldn't like my chances in a Game 5 vs Price. I was hoping that Toronto would complete their comeback against Tampa, but they fell short. I was hoping Price would fail in the one place he's been terrible, but he was his ace self and my last hope is that somehow Danny Salazar shuts down Tampa and Cobb somehow has an off game. I'm trying to think of Texas as the sacrificial lamb that got stuck facing Price rather than Cleveland who will still have their hands full with Cobb, but the more I look at it the more I think the Sox will indeed be facing Tampa Bay, the team I least want to see in the first round. WE are the team with the best record in the league and the recent organizational history that includes two championships in the last decade. Let other teams worry about us. We play who is in front of us, no concerns and no excuses.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Oct 1, 2013 9:54:53 GMT -5
I don't see the Sox as comfortable favorites against the Rays. I could see them as comfortable favorites against Cleveland, who I think will have their ten game winning streak end on Wednesday night. Moore has been shaky as far as his control goes and the Sox need to take Game 1. If not they could be staring at an 0-2 deficit given the way they hit or don't hit David Price. My best hope concerning Price was that this complete game effort was taxing to his arm. I'd hate to see Price twice in 5 games. If they split in Boston and then in Tampa Bay, I wouldn't like my chances in a Game 5 vs Price. I was hoping that Toronto would complete their comeback against Tampa, but they fell short. I was hoping Price would fail in the one place he's been terrible, but he was his ace self and my last hope is that somehow Danny Salazar shuts down Tampa and Cobb somehow has an off game. I'm trying to think of Texas as the sacrificial lamb that got stuck facing Price rather than Cleveland who will still have their hands full with Cobb, but the more I look at it the more I think the Sox will indeed be facing Tampa Bay, the team I least want to see in the first round. WE are the team with the best record in the league and the recent organizational history that includes two championships in the last decade. Let other teams worry about us. We play who is in front of us, no concerns and no excuses. That is the player's mind set, yes, but fans are allowed to be worried about playing good teams. Especially because the 5 game series format helps the Rays.
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Post by pedey on Oct 1, 2013 11:14:06 GMT -5
I don't see the Sox as comfortable favorites against the Rays. I could see them as comfortable favorites against Cleveland, who I think will have their ten game winning streak end on Wednesday night. Moore has been shaky as far as his control goes and the Sox need to take Game 1. If not they could be staring at an 0-2 deficit given the way they hit or don't hit David Price. My best hope concerning Price was that this complete game effort was taxing to his arm. I'd hate to see Price twice in 5 games. If they split in Boston and then in Tampa Bay, I wouldn't like my chances in a Game 5 vs Price. I was hoping that Toronto would complete their comeback against Tampa, but they fell short. I was hoping Price would fail in the one place he's been terrible, but he was his ace self and my last hope is that somehow Danny Salazar shuts down Tampa and Cobb somehow has an off game. I'm trying to think of Texas as the sacrificial lamb that got stuck facing Price rather than Cleveland who will still have their hands full with Cobb, but the more I look at it the more I think the Sox will indeed be facing Tampa Bay, the team I least want to see in the first round. I really couldn't say for sure who I would rather face in the ALDS. The Sox have had better success against the Indians this year than Rays, but the Indians team as a whole is on fire right now. The hottest teams come play-off time usually make it pretty far or all the way. Then again, if the Sox play the Rays, they will have the quartet of Price, Cobb, Moore, and Archer. Those are tough match-ups.
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Post by okin15 on Oct 1, 2013 12:04:37 GMT -5
These might be the only 3 non-red sox playoff games I'll watch. Winner take all is just too much fun! I suppose I like game 7 too.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 1, 2013 12:38:00 GMT -5
I don't see the Sox as comfortable favorites against the Rays. I could see them as comfortable favorites against Cleveland, who I think will have their ten game winning streak end on Wednesday night. Moore has been shaky as far as his control goes and the Sox need to take Game 1. If not they could be staring at an 0-2 deficit given the way they hit or don't hit David Price. My best hope concerning Price was that this complete game effort was taxing to his arm. I'd hate to see Price twice in 5 games. If they split in Boston and then in Tampa Bay, I wouldn't like my chances in a Game 5 vs Price. I was hoping that Toronto would complete their comeback against Tampa, but they fell short. I was hoping Price would fail in the one place he's been terrible, but he was his ace self and my last hope is that somehow Danny Salazar shuts down Tampa and Cobb somehow has an off game. I'm trying to think of Texas as the sacrificial lamb that got stuck facing Price rather than Cleveland who will still have their hands full with Cobb, but the more I look at it the more I think the Sox will indeed be facing Tampa Bay, the team I least want to see in the first round. WE are the team with the best record in the league and the recent organizational history that includes two championships in the last decade. Let other teams worry about us. We play who is in front of us, no concerns and no excuses. That's how a player thinks and should think. I don't refer to the Red Sox as "we" because I'm a fan. I don't play for them. Don't think they'd want me to. But as a fan, I have a right to be concerned, particularly if the Sox have their hands full with David Price and company.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Oct 1, 2013 15:12:16 GMT -5
Price is good, but that Texas offense is nowhere as good as it was in recent years. Moore is nowhere near as intimidating (any pitcher with a 4.55 BB/9 is going to struggle against this Boston lineup) while Archer is merely good but not great. Cobb is a guy I'd be afraid of, though, as his combo of good command and lots of ground balls could be trouble. I'd much rather face the Indians, but I'd still have the Red Sox as comfortable favorites against the Rays. Yeah, let's be real here ... I mean, I've been the champion of the "Go Indians!" brigade, but the Rays ain't the '27 Yankees. Sure, they have good pitching, and the Sox could lose to them in five games. But, guess what, the Sox could lose to the Indians in five games, too. Five-game series' suck, although only marginally more than seven-game series. The whole playoffs is a crapshoot. I think the Red Sox are the best team in the American League and likely in baseball. I have them as favorites in any series. But they may not win a single series. So it goes.
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Post by beasleyrockah on Oct 1, 2013 19:13:29 GMT -5
I don't see the Sox as comfortable favorites against the Rays. I could see them as comfortable favorites against Cleveland, who I think will have their ten game winning streak end on Wednesday night. Moore has been shaky as far as his control goes and the Sox need to take Game 1. If not they could be staring at an 0-2 deficit given the way they hit or don't hit David Price. My best hope concerning Price was that this complete game effort was taxing to his arm. I'd hate to see Price twice in 5 games. If they split in Boston and then in Tampa Bay, I wouldn't like my chances in a Game 5 vs Price. I was hoping that Toronto would complete their comeback against Tampa, but they fell short. I was hoping Price would fail in the one place he's been terrible, but he was his ace self and my last hope is that somehow Danny Salazar shuts down Tampa and Cobb somehow has an off game. I'm trying to think of Texas as the sacrificial lamb that got stuck facing Price rather than Cleveland who will still have their hands full with Cobb, but the more I look at it the more I think the Sox will indeed be facing Tampa Bay, the team I least want to see in the first round. Ignoring everything else about this statement, the Red Sox could come back from that 0-2 hole and it would only be the fourth or fifth most impressive series comeback they've had in the last 15 years or so. So bring that on too.
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Post by mattpicard on Oct 1, 2013 19:36:41 GMT -5
MARLON BYRD, in his first ever post season AB, goes deep. 1-0 Pirates.
Take a minute and think about how incredible his resurance was this season. Career high 5.0 WAR. .291/.336/.511/.847, 24 HR, 88 RBI. Made about 700k this season and was about to retire if the Mets didn't give him a spot on their MLB roster to start the year.
Between the Sox and Cubs last season, he was a -0.5 WAR player with a .210/.243/.245/.488 line. 1 HR.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Oct 1, 2013 19:38:33 GMT -5
MARLON BYRD, in his first ever post season AB, goes deep. 1-0 Pirates. Take a minute and think about how incredible his resurance was this season. Career high 5.0 WAR. .291/.336/.511/.847, 24 HR, 88 RBI. Made about 700k this season and was about to retire if the Mets didn't give him a spot on their MLB roster to start the year. Between the Sox and Cubs last season, he was a -0.5 WAR player with a .210/.243/.245/.488 line. 1 HR. ...And gets a complete pass on the PED test he failed because he's not on the approved Bad Guys list.
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Post by mattpicard on Oct 1, 2013 19:47:14 GMT -5
MARLON BYRD, in his first ever post season AB, goes deep. 1-0 Pirates. Take a minute and think about how incredible his resurance was this season. Career high 5.0 WAR. .291/.336/.511/.847, 24 HR, 88 RBI. Made about 700k this season and was about to retire if the Mets didn't give him a spot on their MLB roster to start the year. Between the Sox and Cubs last season, he was a -0.5 WAR player with a .210/.243/.245/.488 line. 1 HR. ...And gets a complete pass on the PED test he failed because he's not on the approved Bad Guys list. Eh, so what? You can make the same argument for David Ortiz. And Byrd certainly isn't using any PEDs now, and is doing remarkable things on the field. Also, FWIW, he handled the situation last year very professionally.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Oct 1, 2013 19:49:02 GMT -5
Reds are in trouble here. Down 2-0 early and Liriano is just a miserable matchup for them. He absolutely crushes lefty hitters (he held them to an unthinkable .131/.175/.146 this year), and the Reds basically don't have any good right handed hitters.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Oct 1, 2013 19:52:30 GMT -5
...And gets a complete pass on the PED test he failed because he's not on the approved Bad Guys list. Eh, so what? You can make the same argument for David Ortiz. And Byrd certainly isn't using any PEDs now, and is doing remarkable things on the field. Also, FWIW, he handled the situation last year very professionally. I have. Also, I'm curious as to how you know that Byrd is CERTAINLY not doing anything now. Did we not just suspend a bunch of players who didn't test positive for anything? Shit, Alex Rodriguez hasn't failed a test in a decade...
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Post by mattpicard on Oct 1, 2013 20:00:02 GMT -5
Eh, so what? You can make the same argument for David Ortiz. And Byrd certainly isn't using any PEDs now, and is doing remarkable things on the field. Also, FWIW, he handled the situation last year very professionally. I have. Also, I'm curious as to how you know that Byrd is CERTAINLY not doing anything now. Did we not just suspend a bunch of players who didn't test positive for anything? Shit, Alex Rodriguez hasn't failed a test in a decade... OK, poor word choice on my part. "Probably" is more fair. Suffice to say I'd be extremely surprised if he was using PEDs this season. Here's a good story on him and the whole ordeal. He's pretty forthright. It doesn't prove anything, but the guy definitely isn't another A-Rod. www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2013/09/03/marlon-byrd-pirates-victor-conte-career-year/2760869/
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Oct 1, 2013 20:11:15 GMT -5
I have. Also, I'm curious as to how you know that Byrd is CERTAINLY not doing anything now. Did we not just suspend a bunch of players who didn't test positive for anything? Shit, Alex Rodriguez hasn't failed a test in a decade... OK, poor word choice on my part. "Probably" is more fair. Suffice to say I'd be extremely surprised if he was using PEDs this season. Here's a good story on him and the whole ordeal. He's pretty forthright. It doesn't prove anything, but the guy definitely isn't another A-Rod.www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2013/09/03/marlon-byrd-pirates-victor-conte-career-year/2760869/ Because sportswriters like him?
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Post by mattpicard on Oct 1, 2013 20:19:17 GMT -5
Because sportswriters like him? What are you trying to say? Every guy caught using PEDs needs to be crucified the way A-Rod has been? I hate the attention A-Rod gets, and the media is obsessed with ripping him, but there are reasons for that unique to A-Rod. It's not all fair and equal in terms of the reception and forgiveness players get who return after suspensions, but it's more or less consistent among non-A-Rod players. Braun was obviously a special case. Most guys like Byrd serve their suspension, admit wrong-doing, and abide by MLB's policy for suspensions and reinstatements. Why should we keep bringing up their past offenses when they didn't actually get a pass at all? He was caught, served his time, was in national media outlets, and came out and spoke about it.
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Post by wcp3 on Oct 1, 2013 20:32:37 GMT -5
I love seeing Dusty Baker fail.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Oct 1, 2013 20:33:26 GMT -5
Because sportswriters like him? What are you trying to say? Every guy caught using PEDs needs to be crucified the way A-Rod has been? I hate the attention A-Rod gets, and the media is obsessed with ripping him, but there are reasons for that unique to A-Rod. It's not all fair and equal in terms of the reception and forgiveness players get who return after suspensions, but it's more or less consistent among non-A-Rod players. Braun was obviously a special case. Most guys like Byrd serve their suspension, admit wrong-doing, and abide by MLB's policy for suspensions and reinstatements. Why should we keep bringing up their past offenses when they didn't actually get a pass at all? He was caught, served his time, was in national media outlets, and came out and spoke about it. I really don't care if he is or isn't using. But here's my problem: he's failed a test. He's having a career year at an advanced age. He's got all the guilt-by-association connections you could imagine. So why does he get off the hook when so many other players have been labeled as cheaters or illegitimate or whatever for even one or two of those things?? I think it's all down to personality. If you're a friendly in the clubhouse, if you give sportswriters good quotes, you're fine. You're a good guy who made one mistake and served your time for it. If you're aloof, if you're not outgoing, if you don't particularly have time for writers and media people, well, you're a bad guy and a cheater and all the rest of it. The difference between Alex Rodriguez and Marlon Byrd is personality, and that's it. If Byrd was a weird narcissistic jerk like Rodriguez, his amazing age-36 season would be proof positive that he's still juicing. But he's a nice guy, so instead it's a story of triumph.
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