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Post by templeusox on May 31, 2014 10:28:06 GMT -5
How about never taking another college reliever again?
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Post by moonstone2 on May 31, 2014 10:58:26 GMT -5
I know you can't draft for need, but when they pick the best player available twice I'll be happiest if there's a hitter or two. As we call up big, smart, powerless Alex Hassan to replace big, smart powerless Lavarnway, I was realizing that apart from Bogaerts, there is no one under 30 either on the 40-man or in the top 60 prospects who can both hit and hit with power the way you'd want a 1b, LF, RF, 3b or DH to do. Devers
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Post by moonstone2 on May 31, 2014 11:03:40 GMT -5
How about never taking another college reliever again? It seems to me that the Craig Hansen Ryan Wagner types aren't as valued as they once were. Even Strohman was picked in part because the Jays think he can start. There are many reasons for this change, but I don't see a big time college closer being taken high unless it's by a team really looking to go way below slot.
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Post by templeusox on May 31, 2014 11:23:54 GMT -5
Stroman was a start in college too.
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Post by jdb on May 31, 2014 11:35:37 GMT -5
How about never taking another college reliever again? Agree. If they think Howard can start fine. Please no Burdi. Law tweet Heard from a scout at the regional that Tyler Beede looked the best he has all season in his outing last night. 11:08am - 31 May 14 Edit Luke Weaver and FSU are on ESPNU at 1 today.
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Post by templeusox on May 31, 2014 12:23:20 GMT -5
I watched Beede last night and he looked excellent. I've seen five or six starts this season and he always seems just a tick off from being dominant. The fastball is always just a little too inconsistent for him to mow down opposing lineups. Last night, it was there and he had his best game of the season. He's got the entire package though and when he realizes his changeup should be his out pitch, not his slider, he'll become a James Shields-esque starter in the majors.
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Post by pedroelgrande on May 31, 2014 14:35:55 GMT -5
Edit Luke Weaver and FSU are on ESPNU at 1 today. Saw a little bit wasn't too impressed.... Not that it means anything. Seems like a likely bottom of the rotation starter with a low 90s fast ball. I was more excited about him earlier in the season when he hit the mid 90s some times. He is young for a college jr so there may be more upside there. We'll see.
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Post by jdb on May 31, 2014 14:38:59 GMT -5
Edit Luke Weaver and FSU are on ESPNU at 1 today. Saw a little bit wasn't too impressed.... Not that it means anything. Seems like a likely bottom of the rotation starter with a low 90s fast ball. I was more excited about him earlier in the season when he hit the mid 90s some times. He is young for a college jr so there may be more upside there. We'll see. Couldn't agree more and was about to come update this. I don't think I saw anything over 91 on the TV gun. Law seems to think he might not be a top 50 guy. Also BAs top 500 www.baseballamerica.com/draft-preview/
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Post by juanpena on May 31, 2014 16:10:25 GMT -5
It sounds like Gatewood is pretty raw and is a high-risk pick, but Mayo says he has "ridiculous raw power." If he's there at 27 as Mayo suggests, I think they have to consider him. If he's still there at 33, as Kiley McDaniel suggests, I think they should pick him.
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Post by pedroelgrande on May 31, 2014 18:29:25 GMT -5
He has ridiculous raw power but the hit-tool is really raw apparently. He is just as likely to never make it out of Low-A as he is to be able to use his ridiculous power in-game.
Not saying I wouldn't draft him but I certainly understand if they stay away.
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Post by iakovos11 on May 31, 2014 18:52:04 GMT -5
Sounds too much like Jason Place, minus the personality issues, hopefully, but that still scares me. Am I way off base here?
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Post by pedroelgrande on May 31, 2014 19:13:47 GMT -5
Sounds too much like Jason Place, minus the personality issues, hopefully, but that still scares me. Am I way off base here? He has more raw-power than Place and is the better prospect at the same stage so I wouldn't compare the two. The Red Sox haven't drafted this type of prospects before so I don't think there is anyone I can compare him with Red Sox ties.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on May 31, 2014 19:16:18 GMT -5
The things that I have read about Gatewood suggest that he has a solid makeup and that he is a hard worker. Hugh risk, high ceiling seems worth it to me as the #26 pick.
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Post by pedroelgrande on May 31, 2014 19:19:24 GMT -5
The things that I have read about Gatewood suggest that he has a solid makeup and that he is a hard worker. Hugh risk, high ceiling seems worth it to me as the #26 pick. Yeah any prospect at 26 will have flaws so I agree it's a worthwhile risk. But I would understand it if they pass on him.
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Post by taftreign on May 31, 2014 21:17:53 GMT -5
I think he makes more sense for a team like the Astros, Royals, or Indians who have three picks in the top 42 each and the Marlins who have four in the top 43. They can spread the risk out further and at still have a chance to pull two solid prospects out of this draft early even if he busts.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Jun 1, 2014 6:03:50 GMT -5
I think he makes more sense for a team like the Astros, Royals, or Indians who have three picks in the top 42 each and the Marlins who have four in the top 43. They can spread the risk out further and at still have a chance to pull two solid prospects out of this draft early even if he busts. I disagree. The Red Sox as a large market have plenty of resources to use their strong financial position to either trade for high priced players or sign free agents can afford to take some calculated risks by drafting and signing guys such as Gatewood. Whereas teams such as the Astris, Royals and Marlins that you sighted are each smaller market teams which have to build through the draft and thus are generally more conservative in drafting players. The Red Sox can't afford to play it safe as that hasn't worked with drafting the likes of Vitek and Brentz. If Gatewood is there at 26 then I hope they draft him there as he likely won't be available at the #33 draft slot.
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Post by amfox1 on Jun 1, 2014 11:01:34 GMT -5
Juan C. Rodriguez ?@jcrmarlinsbeat 2m #Marlins acquire RHP Bryan Morris from Pirates for 39th overall pick in the 2014 Draft (Comp Balance Round A pick)
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Post by amfox1 on Jun 1, 2014 11:04:18 GMT -5
Giving effect to MIA/Morris trade:
Current 2014 MLB Draft Order (June 5-7, 2014)
1st Round (Protected) 1. HOU 2. MIA 3. CWS 4. CHC 5. MIN 6. SEA 7. PHI 8. COL 9. TOR 10. NYM 11. TOR (Phil Bickford compensation pick)
1st Round (Unprotected) 12. MIL 13. SD 14. SF 15. LAA 16. ARI (BAL lost draft pick - Jimenez) (MFY lost draft pick - McCann) 17. KC 18. WAS 19. CIN (TEX lost draft pick - Choo) 20. TB 21. CLE 22. LAD 23. DET 24. PIT 25. OAK (ATL lost draft pick - Santana) 26. BOS 27. STL
Supplemental Round 28. KC (Santana) 29. CIN (Choo) 30. TEX (Cruz) 31. CLE (Jimenez) 32. ATL (McCann) 33. BOS (Ellsbury) 34. STL (Beltran)
Competitive Balance Lottery Round A 35. COL 36. MIA (Matt Krook compensation pick) 37. HOU (traded from BAL) 38. CLE 39. PIT (traded from MIA) 40. KC 41. MIL
2nd Round (picks 42-68, BAL lost draft pick - Cruz, SEA lost draft pick - Cano*, NYM lost draft pick - Granderson) 67. BOS
Competitive Balance Lottery Round B (after Round 2) 69. ARI (traded from SD) 70. ARI 71. STL 72. TB 73. PIT 74. SEA
3rd Round (picks 75-104) 103. BOS
Compensation Pick (after Round 3) 105. MIA (Ben DiLuzio compensation pick)
Current picks in top 105 (top three rounds): 5 - ARI/STL/CLE/KC/MIA/PIT 4 - HOU/COL/TOR/MIL/CIN/TB/BOS 3 - everyone else (14 teams) 2 - NYM/MFY 1 - BAL
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Post by jdb on Jun 1, 2014 11:28:15 GMT -5
Juan C. Rodriguez ?@jcrmarlinsbeat 2m #Marlins acquire RHP Bryan Morris from Pirates for 39th overall pick in the 2014 Draft (Comp Balance Round A pick) Man it would have been nice for us to swing a deal like that for an average pen arm given our depth there.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Jun 1, 2014 12:27:09 GMT -5
Juan C. Rodriguez ?@jcrmarlinsbeat 2m #Marlins acquire RHP Bryan Morris from Pirates for 39th overall pick in the 2014 Draft (Comp Balance Round A pick) Man it would have been nice for us to swing a deal like that for an average pen arm given our depth there. I agree - if you can acquire a top 50 pick for a mediocre reliever like that you do it all day! It seems crazy to me. You see some teams virtually ignore free agents that have a first round pick attached to them, then you see a trade like this. It doesn't really jive to me.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2014 13:30:17 GMT -5
Man it would have been nice for us to swing a deal like that for an average pen arm given our depth there. I agree - if you can acquire a top 50 pick for a mediocre reliever like that you do it all day! It seems crazy to me. You see some teams virtually ignore free agents that have a first round pick attached to them, then you see a trade like this. It doesn't really jive to me. Do the Sox have any mediocre relievers who aren't overpaid (and thus not attractive to other teams)?
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 1, 2014 13:37:50 GMT -5
I agree - if you can acquire a top 50 pick for a mediocre reliever like that you do it all day! It seems crazy to me. You see some teams virtually ignore free agents that have a first round pick attached to them, then you see a trade like this. It doesn't really jive to me. Do the Sox have any mediocre relievers who aren't overpaid (and thus not attractive to other teams)? Miami already traded their pick though so that ship has sailed.
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Post by jimoh on Jun 1, 2014 14:14:40 GMT -5
Sounds too much like Jason Place, minus the personality issues, hopefully, but that still scares me. Am I way off base here? He has more raw-power than Place and is the better prospect at the same stage so I wouldn't compare the two. The Red Sox haven't drafted this type of prospects before so I don't think there is anyone I can compare him with Red Sox ties. Isn't Will Middlebrooks actually a comp for Gatewood? Tall, athletic (SS-P, also a QB and all-state punter), tons of power, but other questions about the hit tool. Not a first rounder but projected as late first-rounder except for $ demands.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 1, 2014 14:30:33 GMT -5
The profile is similar so yeah that can work, though Gatewood has been more highly touted. From recent drafts I'd say he might be similar to Kris Bryant. Obviously Bryant went to college and prove his hit-tool but when he was in HS he had the same question marks.
From a Red Sox stand point i'd agree that Middlebrooks is the most similar.
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Post by jdb on Jun 1, 2014 16:24:10 GMT -5
MLBN is running a draft special tonight (Sunday) at 10 of the top 50 prospects. Hopefully they make Harald Reynolds watch it.
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