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10/28 Red Sox vs. Cardinals World Series Game 5 Thread
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Post by Jonathan Singer on Oct 28, 2013 7:45:14 GMT -5
10/28 Red Sox (LHP Jon Lester 3-1 1.67) vs. Cardinals (RHP Adam Wainwright 2-2 2.25) 8:07 pm ET, FOX/WEEI World Series Game 5Season SeriesDid not meet How they got here?Red Sox 97-65 AL East Champions, Beat Tampa Bay 3-1 in ALDS, Beat Detroit 4-2 in ALCS Cardinals 97-65 NL Central Champions, Beat Pittsburgh 3-2 in NLDS, Beat Los Angeles 4-2 in NLCS Playoff History2004 World Series - Boston won 4-0 1967 World Series - St. Louis won 4-3 1946 World Series - St. Louis won 4-3 MLB StandingsRed Sox Hitting StatsRed Sox Pitching StatsMLB ScoreboardMLB TransactionsWeatherSeries Thread Disclaimer: The SoxProspects Moderators will be somewhat liberal in policing the Red Sox "Series" Threads. Some of the Ground Rules are applied loosely in here, as we understand that there is a tendency to want to react (or overreact) to every play of a Sox game with one line reactionary posts. Those posts are okay in the Red Sox Series threads to a point - we certainly appreciate the passion. Just try not to overdo it, and try to maintain some semblance of reason. In addition, please don't let those type of posts spill over to other more substantive threads, where they may be deleted. -The Management
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 28, 2013 8:05:08 GMT -5
My body is ready.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Oct 28, 2013 8:51:14 GMT -5
Mine isn't. My heart was pounding for over 3 hours yesterday, that can't be healthy! |
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Post by soxfan06 on Oct 28, 2013 9:06:08 GMT -5
We need a rules clarification....can we replace Clay or not? He is clearly hurt and a case can easily be made that he is done.
We need all the help we can get. Britton as a lefty could be key to winning this series.
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Post by jmei on Oct 28, 2013 9:46:03 GMT -5
We need a rules clarification....can we replace Clay or not? He is clearly hurt and a case can easily be made that he is done. We need all the help we can get. Britton as a lefty could be key to winning this series. No. Buchholz would have to have suffered the injury during the World Series, which is not the case. For obvious reasons, an attempt to replace Buchholz on the WS roster will be heavily scrutinized by the league office, and even if Buchholz actually did reaggravate his injury, I don't think it's worth the hassle and media circus for an extra reliever. |
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Post by semperfisox on Oct 28, 2013 9:49:21 GMT -5
Win this game. We'll have two chances in Fenway to close it out.
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Post by wcp3 on Oct 28, 2013 9:58:19 GMT -5
You really think Farrell would use Britton in a big spot anyway?
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Oct 28, 2013 10:09:46 GMT -5
You really think Farrell would use Britton in a big spot anyway? Yes. Actually I do. He used morales in a big spot in the ALCS. |
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Post by wcp3 on Oct 28, 2013 10:27:37 GMT -5
You really think Farrell would use Britton in a big spot anyway? Yes. Actually I do. He used morales in a big spot in the ALCS. ...and he hasn't used him since. I like Britton, but for whatever reason Farrell didn't seem to have a lot of confidence in him. I don't think he'd all of a sudden feel comfortable using him in a big spot in the World Series. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 28, 2013 10:38:29 GMT -5
We need a rules clarification....can we replace Clay or not? He is clearly hurt and a case can easily be made that he is done. We need all the help we can get. Britton as a lefty could be key to winning this series. No. Buchholz would have to have suffered the injury during the World Series, which is not the case. For obvious reasons, an attempt to replace Buchholz on the WS roster will be heavily scrutinized by the league office, and even if Buchholz actually did reaggravate his injury, I don't think it's worth the hassle and media circus for an extra reliever. This. I brought the idea up on Twitter just thinking out loud, and this was what the beat guys responded with. And at any rate, Thornton is the reliever who has been with the team. They're not going to call Britton at home on his couch and ask him to come to Boston to pitch in the WS. |
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Oct 28, 2013 10:56:37 GMT -5
No. Buchholz would have to have suffered the injury during the World Series, which is not the case. For obvious reasons, an attempt to replace Buchholz on the WS roster will be heavily scrutinized by the league office, and even if Buchholz actually did reaggravate his injury, I don't think it's worth the hassle and media circus for an extra reliever. This. I brought the idea up on Twitter just thinking out loud, and this was what the beat guys responded with. And at any rate, Thornton is the reliever who has been with the team. They're not going to call Britton at home on his couch and ask him to come to Boston to pitch in the WS. We can dream though, right? I can envision a scenario in my head where Farrell has Ortiz calling britton telling him to get his stuff together and get to the airport. |
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Oct 28, 2013 11:26:24 GMT -5
Bogaerts has now scored 8 runs in 19 post season AB with an OBP of .462. And he has had several hard hit balls caught.
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Post by okin15 on Oct 28, 2013 11:47:33 GMT -5
And at any rate, Thornton is the reliever who has been with the team. They're not going to call Britton at home on his couch and ask him to come to Boston to pitch in the WS. We can dream though, right? I can envision a scenario in my head where Farrell has Ortiz calling britton telling him to get his stuff together and get to the airport. This is more a forum for intelligent comments, or gut emotional reactions, or even unintentionally dumb comments. I don't think dreaming is allowed. Note that I'm NOT using italics. I think the Sox expect Buchholz to be ready for one or two outs in a potential game 7. And I think that's a good idea too. The only guy I DON'T expect to be available in a potential game 7 is Lackey. P.S. depending on how other things stack up, I even wonder if the Sox would consider Buchholz for game 6. I guess would depend on how he feels and the team's desperation level. |
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Oct 28, 2013 11:54:22 GMT -5
This. I brought the idea up on Twitter just thinking out loud, and this was what the beat guys responded with. And at any rate, Thornton is the reliever who has been with the team. They're not going to call Britton at home on his couch and ask him to come to Boston to pitch in the WS. We can dream though, right? I can envision a scenario in my head where Farrell has Ortiz calling britton telling him to get his stuff together and get to the airport. Yes, and were that ever to happen, wouldn't it be something if circumstances conspired so that Britton ended up pitching the 9th inning of game 7? Britton even sounds a lot like Burton. |
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Post by nationinthesouth on Oct 28, 2013 12:00:59 GMT -5
As I tried to sleep last night I found myself lying in bed trying to digest all of this. It got me thinking about the order of rankings or significance of '04, '07 and this year’s World Series and how they will be remembered in terms of the team.
2004 wasn't really about baseball, or that team, it was a cultural thing. 2004 was about every kid growing up in New England, about playing whiffle ball in your back yard being Rice, Yaz, Evans or the Boomer. That was about all of our parents, grandparents, uncles and cousins who didn’t get a chance to see it. That was a win for New England, a repayment for suffering, spiritual more than athletic.
2007 while only three years removed seemed to be more "corporate". 2007 was the "machine" at work, we expected no less, we quickly became the Patriots in our thinking. This was just the next in line of an expected and demanded long line of victories.
Fast forward to the 2013 team, this one seems different in every way; this one is about them, about a team complete with flaws that they shouldn’t be able to overcome. I find myself rooting for the roster, not for myself, not even for New England to win. Win or lose I will remember this cast of characters more so for how they fought, how they played the game, how they embodied the things we pride ourselves in. 2013 has been a long ride, it’s not complete but it’s already been fulfilling.
Now back to our regularly scheduled game day thread programming.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 28, 2013 12:39:52 GMT -5
My understanding is that Ruby, Britton, Snyder and Bradley are at the Sox facility in Ft Myers to stay "baseball ready". Changes nothing with the Clay question but these guys aren't sitting on their couches at home. Edes reported this was the case at the beginning of the playoffs.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 28, 2013 12:47:33 GMT -5
Lester needs to not only pitch great tonight, he needs to pitch great for at least 7 innings to give this pen a break. If he goes 6 they can still get by with Workman not having pitched last night and Tazawa only going a batter, but Doubront most likely isn't available and if he is it's a lot to ask him to be sharp for a 3rd straight game considering he's not conditioned for that.
Breslow better not see another meaningful inning this WS. Great season, great job in the DS and ALCS, if the Sox win he's a huge part of that, but he's toast right now. Farrell is in a tough spot without Morales and Breslow being effective. Might have to see Dempster in a big spot.
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Post by nationinthesouth on Oct 28, 2013 12:54:49 GMT -5
My understanding is that Ruby, Britton, Snyder and Bradley are at the Sox facility in Ft Myers to stay "baseball ready". Changes nothing with the Clay question but these guys aren't sitting on their couches at home. Edes reported this was the case at the beginning of the playoffs. I cant imagine there is anybody they would bring in at this point that Farrell would use for "meaningful" innings, and at this point they are all meaninfgful. Even if Clay was healthy it would be unlikely he would have pitched again in the series |
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 28, 2013 13:12:53 GMT -5
True even "mop-up" innings would be valuable for future games.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Oct 28, 2013 13:25:13 GMT -5
My understanding is that Ruby, Britton, Snyder and Bradley are at the Sox facility in Ft Myers to stay "baseball ready". Changes nothing with the Clay question but these guys aren't sitting on their couches at home. Edes reported this was the case at the beginning of the playoffs. I cant imagine there is anybody they would bring in at this point that Farrell would use for "meaningful" innings, and at this point they are all meaninfgful. Even if Clay was healthy it would be unlikely he would have pitched again in the series If we're up 9-0 again we might see Dempster again. |
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Post by elguapo on Oct 28, 2013 14:02:42 GMT -5
I hope we win.
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Post by curiousle on Oct 28, 2013 14:23:08 GMT -5
Tough choices for Farrell over the next couple of days, I think Breslow is gassed and done-maybe you can go to him in game 7, but I think he's off the boards for game 5 and 6. I think Workman is the key-he can probably give you 4 to 5 innings in the next three games, you just have to be careful on how you're going to use him. I think if there is a low leverage situation-use Morales for filler if you have to to either save something for Lester if you need him game 7
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 28, 2013 14:38:06 GMT -5
I don't think Breslow is gassed, I think he's mentally out of it. He admitted after game 2 that the game was too fast for him and he couldn't slow it down. That's the moment being in his head. Last night he threw a first pitch strike then once he threw that first ball seemed to tighten up. He grooved that last pitch to Carpenter probably because he was scared to walk him.
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Post by Guidas on Oct 28, 2013 14:46:26 GMT -5
That is the clearest definitive statement that can be made at this point. Seconded. |
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Post by soxfanatic on Oct 28, 2013 15:01:55 GMT -5
#RedSox: Ellsbury CF, Pedroia 2B, Ortiz 1B, Gomes LF, Nava RF, Bogaerts 3B, Drew SS, Ross C, Lester LHP
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