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Post by soxfanatic on Oct 29, 2013 15:57:59 GMT -5
10/30 Red Sox (RHP John Lackey 2-1 3.26) vs. Cardinals (RHP Michael Wacha 4-0 1.00) 8:07 pm ET, FOX/WEEI World Series Game 6Season SeriesDid not meet How they got here?Red Sox 97-65 AL East Champions, Beat Tampa Bay 3-1 in ALDS, Beat Detroit 4-2 in ALCS Cardinals 97-65 NL Central Champions, Beat Pittsburgh 3-2 in NLDS, Beat Los Angeles 4-2 in NLCS Playoff History2004 World Series - Boston won 4-0 1967 World Series - St. Louis won 4-3 1946 World Series - St. Louis won 4-3 MLB StandingsRed Sox Hitting StatsRed Sox Pitching StatsMLB ScoreboardMLB TransactionsWeatherSeries Thread Disclaimer: The SoxProspects Moderators will be somewhat liberal in policing the Red Sox "Series" Threads. Some of the Ground Rules are applied loosely in here, as we understand that there is a tendency to want to react (or overreact) to every play of a Sox game with one line reactionary posts. Those posts are okay in the Red Sox Series threads to a point - we certainly appreciate the passion. Just try not to overdo it, and try to maintain some semblance of reason. In addition, please don't let those type of posts spill over to other more substantive threads, where they may be deleted. -The Management
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Post by soxfanatic on Oct 29, 2013 15:58:56 GMT -5
Pete Abraham ?@peteabe 6m John Farrell says Shane Victorino is "full go" for Game 6.
Michael Silverman ?@mikesilvermanbb 3m David Ross will start tomorrow night.
Brian MacPherson ?@brianmacp 1m Jonny Gomes will play left field in Game Six
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Oct 29, 2013 16:04:55 GMT -5
Could Berry be used defensively in late inning situations? With Victorino injured and Gomes lack of speed, it could be useful to bring him in if we have a small lead.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Oct 29, 2013 16:19:40 GMT -5
I thought we were done with the Gomes intangibles after the Game 2 defensive lapses by him? I don't understand why he is playing over Nava who is a far better hitter and fielder, combined with his ability to run up pitch counts which could help get Wachs out of the game quicker. Tomorrow should be treated like it is Game 7 and you would think that you would go with the most talented llneup.
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Post by soxfanatic on Oct 29, 2013 16:25:12 GMT -5
Brian MacPherson ?@brianmacp 22m Farrell cited the "style" of Wacha as a pitcher as the reason for choosing Gomes over Nava.
And meanwhile,
Scott Miller ?@scottmcbs 19m The #stlcards were supposed to have been in Boston by now but plane problems have them grounded in St. Louis.
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Post by nebraska4sox on Oct 29, 2013 16:27:52 GMT -5
Staring David Ross is a good move. Salty has done a good job for most of the playoffs but the pitching seems to be stabalized when Ross starts.
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Post by Guidas on Oct 29, 2013 16:33:21 GMT -5
Brian MacPherson ?@brianmacp 22m Farrell cited the "style" of Wacha as a pitcher as the reason for choosing Gomes over Nava.That "style" had Gomes going 0-4 in the first meeting. Now, maybe Gomes will adjust but there was a guy who came in for him and hit a double right away. And plays better D.
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Post by Guidas on Oct 29, 2013 16:55:32 GMT -5
Looks like Farrell believes that beyond the intangibles and awesome beardiness, that he doesn't like the Gomes match-up with Wacha, but he does like the match-up that Gomes gives him against Wacha. Um. Yeah. Exact verbiage for the parsesters amongst us: "I can't say that it's because of the matchups in Game 2. Wacha was tough on all of us," Farrell said. "But you get to the point where you look at the style of pitcher on the mound in Wacha and you look at what certain hitters in our lineup are equipped to handle, and even though you might say, 'Well, it's a left-handed hitter, (Nava) should be in there,' I like the matchup of Gomes versus Nava." So to go with the intangibles balanced against Gomes' traditionally bad splits vs. RHP, we need to add Wacha's "style." OK...
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Post by johnsilver52 on Oct 29, 2013 17:06:20 GMT -5
Have noted before.. This is tough pitching matchups by the Cardinals. Very few hits period. Gomes has the power vs anyone. The single HR proved that and yep.. He's gonna look silly a lot, but remember that game he won. Nava doesn't have that 1 swing ability and the defense by Nava really isn't all that much better, just a little.
I'd probably take that 1 swing over Nava also, just like Ross over Salty, even if Ross wasn't hitting for just his defense.
Farrell is actually managing like an actual manager here in the WS, I give him 9 out of 10 stars, no favorites here.
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Post by Jonathan Singer on Oct 29, 2013 17:07:42 GMT -5
If they lose I can blame soxfanatic for starting this game thread.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Oct 29, 2013 17:20:12 GMT -5
If they lose I can blame soxfanatic for starting this game thread. Of course, none of us are superstitious so that shouldn't matter.
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Post by soxfanatic on Oct 29, 2013 17:20:14 GMT -5
If they lose I can blame soxfanatic for starting this game thread. Seconded. Oh wait...
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Post by wcp3 on Oct 29, 2013 17:55:55 GMT -5
Starting Gomes is a dreadful move, but hitting him in front of Xander will be inexcusable.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Oct 29, 2013 18:16:42 GMT -5
Starting Gomes is a dreadful move, but hitting him in front of Xander will be inexcusable. Well prepare to inexcuse Farrell...
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Oct 29, 2013 18:23:00 GMT -5
Did anyone notice that after Nava got a solid double the other day when he was playing for Gomes, Farrell and Victorino seemed to be arguing vociferously and then the next game Victorino had a back ailment. It makes one wonder.
Maybe it's just me but when Gomes is on the bench he seems to be hanging around Farrell all the time. I think he's the equivalent of a teachers pet. I wouldn't be surprised to see Nava traded this off season. It's really a shame because I'd rather see Gomes go.
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 29, 2013 18:28:36 GMT -5
Starting Gomes is a dreadful move, but hitting him in front of Xander will be inexcusable. One of the biggest reason for me to want them to win the World Series is to see if you will stay mad. And if the sh*tposting about Farrell will stop. I'm gonna go ahead and guess yes and no on that one.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 29, 2013 18:46:02 GMT -5
Starting Gomes is a dreadful move, but hitting him in front of Xander will be inexcusable. One of the biggest reason for me to want them to win the World Series is to see if you will stay mad. And if the sh*tposting about Farrell will stop. I'm gonna go ahead and guess yes and no on that one. Meh, I mean, I'm not upset too much by the Gomes thing (Nava hasn't hit the past couple games either), but it was a joke that he was hitting fourth last night. Back at Fenway, with Napoli back in, I also hope that Bogaerts is hitting ahead of Gomes, although we know he won't be.
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Post by wcp3 on Oct 29, 2013 19:31:48 GMT -5
Starting Gomes is a dreadful move, but hitting him in front of Xander will be inexcusable. One of the biggest reason for me to want them to win the World Series is to see if you will stay mad. And if the sh*tposting about Farrell will stop. I'm gonna go ahead and guess yes and no on that one. I've made plenty of positive posts that people conveniently choose to ignore. And I'm really never that mad. You guys just haven't figured out that most of my posts are only half serious.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Oct 29, 2013 19:38:28 GMT -5
I'm elated that Ross is catching and that Farrell isn't worrying about ruffling Salty's feathers. We are much tighter defensively with Ross in there.
I think the argument over Gomes is this: we need that one BIG swing against a pitcher like Wacha. A walk and a blast may be our best chance. Doubt we will string a lot of hits together tomorrow.
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 29, 2013 19:51:42 GMT -5
I've made plenty of positive posts that people conveniently choose to ignore. And I'm really never that mad. You guys just haven't figured out that most of my posts are only half serious. Oh I get your posts are only half-serious, that's the reason for the "stay mad" part. The part about Farrell on my post is where I think it gets a tad annoying, not always by you man.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Oct 29, 2013 20:33:01 GMT -5
One of the biggest reason for me to want them to win the World Series is to see if you will stay mad. And if the sh*tposting about Farrell will stop. I'm gonna go ahead and guess yes and no on that one. I've made plenty of positive posts that people conveniently choose to ignore. And I'm really never that mad. You guys just haven't figured out that most of my posts are only half serious. Its like that one budweiser commercial... its only crazy if it doesn't work! I'm due for an apology as well for my Drew posts. They were over the top and annoying and I actually feel better personally not posting them anymore. Sorry guys.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Oct 29, 2013 20:35:31 GMT -5
Looks like Farrell believes that beyond the intangibles and awesome beardiness, that he doesn't like the Gomes match-up with Wacha, but he does like the match-up that Gomes gives him against Wacha. Um. Yeah. Exact verbiage for the parsesters amongst us: "I can't say that it's because of the matchups in Game 2. Wacha was tough on all of us," Farrell said. "But you get to the point where you look at the style of pitcher on the mound in Wacha and you look at what certain hitters in our lineup are equipped to handle, and even though you might say, 'Well, it's a left-handed hitter, (Nava) should be in there,' I like the matchup of Gomes versus Nava." So to go with the intangibles balanced against Gomes' traditionally bad splits vs. RHP, we need to add Wacha's "style." OK... Don't understand the problem with what Farrell said ... agree or disagree, it's a valid point. He's saying, "One game doesn't mean anything, so you can't go by pitcher vs hitter history here, but Gomes handles the types of pitches Wacha throws better than Nava does." Now, I'm not saying it's true (I honestly haven't looked into it at all and don't have anywhere close to the time to do so), but it's at least a valid, fact-based opinion that can be argued against. edit: clarity
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Post by wcp3 on Oct 29, 2013 20:48:19 GMT -5
I've made plenty of positive posts that people conveniently choose to ignore. And I'm really never that mad. You guys just haven't figured out that most of my posts are only half serious. Oh I get your posts are only half-serious, that's the reason for the "stay mad" part. The part about Farrell on my post is where I think it gets a tad annoying, not always by you man. I agree, although he makes his fair share of head-scratching moves. But after awhile, it's tough to argue with the results.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Oct 29, 2013 20:54:27 GMT -5
It's tomorrow night.
Bottom of the 8th, Cards up by 4 runs.
Sox load the bases, Ortiz up with 2 out. He's 2 for 3 on the night, with a HR for the only Sox run.
Do you walk him?
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Post by pedroelgrande on Oct 29, 2013 20:57:25 GMT -5
I think Farrell is looking Gomes to get one of those fastball. Remember in game 6th against Detroit? Where Gomes hit a double high off the wall? Something like that.
I'm really hoping the Red Sox hit pretty good in this game and win by a big margin.
I have faith in these guys they have earned it.
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