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2013 Offseason non-Sox MLB Discussion
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Feb 12, 2014 16:13:51 GMT -5
Guys, don't forget the David Ortiz farewell tour the year after that!
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 12, 2014 16:15:21 GMT -5
Guys, don't forget the David Ortiz farewell tour the year after that! I tweeted him earlier, begging him to be classy and announce his retirement in the offseason.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 12, 2014 16:30:27 GMT -5
The Yankees have a statue ready to take Jeter's place when he gets hurt. No less defensive ability.
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Post by grandsalami on Feb 12, 2014 16:51:49 GMT -5
Please give Jeter an autograph gift basket Sox...
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Post by mattpicard on Feb 13, 2014 12:37:54 GMT -5
So after denying that MLB was going to cut employee pension plans, teams are now allowed to do so for non-uniform personnel. Make of this what you will, but it certainly seems like they tried to keep the decision private. They have a right to make such a decision, but when you look at the booming financial state of MLB, it comes across as quite a slap in the face to all of the underpaid, loyal employees who work so hard under the hood.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 13, 2014 13:03:39 GMT -5
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Post by Oregon Norm on Feb 13, 2014 13:05:25 GMT -5
Spoken like the true toadie he undoubtedly is.
Hard to know where to hammer away first at this thing, so laden is it with BS. I take it baseball has conducted the survey research of those "young people" to determine that they'd rather have those 401(k)s? I'll bet not.
As for those plans, this is part of a longer-term trend that is very disturbing. The responsibility for periodically having to re-float the underlying investments stuffed into those plans falls on, who else, the US taxpayers. That happens whenever the fools on Wall Street go on one of the hyper-leveraged jags, episodes that are ever-more frequent. The last super-spasm during the mortgage blow-out drained $15 trillion - you read that right - from the Fed, and another near-trillion from the Treasury just to kickstart short-term lending which had completely frozen up. The Fed is still working at what amounts to a negative interest rate through their bond-buying to try to rebalance the economy, even as new bubbles start building up.
So, this is the same issue as the stadium give-aways, but writ large. Those of you who seem so eager to blame local jurisdictions for electing the people they do to higher office need to absorb this. Here it is at the national level. Underregulated and unregulated financial speculation, a form of untaxed subsidization, allows this to exist. It's all brought to you by way of your Congressional reps, many bought and payed for in the free-market for political influence.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Feb 13, 2014 13:26:53 GMT -5
What really sticks in my craw is that C-level types make claims to expertise many of them do not in fact possess. So delusional are they that they can't see their stupid shenanigans often cause horrendous problems, including the ever-growing income disparity that has no parallels in our history as a nation. Uncle Sam often has to step in, pat them on the head, and pay their bills, in the form of food stamps, housing subsidies, medicare, and so on. Like the true recidivists they are,they just go on their merry way oblivious to any blather about "moral hazard". But enough of my whining.
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Post by jmei on Feb 13, 2014 13:30:51 GMT -5
Um, let's try and not get too political here...?
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 13, 2014 13:31:39 GMT -5
What really sticks in my craw is that C-level types make claims to expertise many of them do not in fact possess. So delusional are they that they can't see their stupid shenanigans often cause horrendous problems, including the ever-growing income disparity that has no parallels in our history as a nation. Uncle Sam often has to step in, pat them on the head, and pay their bills, in the form of food stamps, housing subsidies, medicare, and so on. Like the true recidivists they are,they just go on their merry way oblivious to any blather about "moral hazard". But enough of my whining. Yeah, I could write a book on it, for real. People whine about taxing the rich. I'd prefer that the government stop enabling/guaranteeing them from printing as much money as they want to take along with their monopolies and outright theft and fraud while being backed by taxpayers in the end. I'm rooting for the equipment manager-types to get huge raises. See? Brought it back to baseball.
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Post by joshv02 on Feb 14, 2014 8:30:52 GMT -5
We don't see the details, but it is almost certainly not that "pensions are being cut," but rather that future benefits that have not yet been earned may be different than past benefits.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 14, 2014 9:26:45 GMT -5
We don't see the details, but it is almost certainly not that "pensions are being cut," but rather that future benefits that have not yet been earned may be different than past benefits.I don't understand why this is any less offensive because it's happening to future employees instead of current ones.
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Post by okin15 on Feb 14, 2014 9:51:36 GMT -5
I don't understand the allure of pensions (to either the employee or employer). Why should a company promise to pay something in the future, and why should the employee trust them? Just pay the people what you want/need to now, and let them invest the money themselves. Just look at all the pensions which ARE being cut around the country because they just can't be paid (not leastly SocSec) and you can understand why a young guy doesn't get the economics of it.
What I'm trying to say, (without being at all political, though I have some less polar views on the discussion above) is I think that there are actually things that MLB can offer which might be way more attractive to younger employees.
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Post by joshv02 on Feb 14, 2014 10:00:23 GMT -5
We don't see the details, but it is almost certainly not that "pensions are being cut," but rather that future benefits that have not yet been earned may be different than past benefits.I don't understand why this is any less offensive because it's happening to future employees instead of current ones. Because one would change what people previously agreed to, and the other would be something that is different, new, etc. I'm not arguing what the baseline level of support a corporation (or the government) should give to its employees (citizens) should be – that is not really for this thread, or this board. But, “cutting” a benefit implies (to me at least) that something previously agreed to is now unilaterally different.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 14, 2014 10:44:14 GMT -5
Pensions are fairly ridiculous on their own. No one should be guaranteed a set amount of money for life after accruing a certain number of years at a job. Work hard, save your own money for your retirement. Whether that is with a 401k or elsewhere. A large number of pensions are being paid by the tax payers for companies that haven't existed for decades. There is no product or service funding those pensions, they are just a drain. There's nothing wrong with changing to a more economical system and doing so with future employees. I don't think that qualifies as cutting employees pensions if the employees being affected don't exist yet.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 14, 2014 12:56:29 GMT -5
Pensions are fairly ridiculous on their own. No one should be guaranteed a set amount of money for life after accruing a certain number of years at a job. Work hard, save your own money for your retirement. Whether that is with a 401k or elsewhere. A large number of pensions are being paid by the tax payers for companies that haven't existed for decades. There is no product or service funding those pensions, they are just a drain. There's nothing wrong with changing to a more economical system and doing so with future employees. I don't think that qualifies as cutting employees pensions if the employees being affected don't exist yet. You're talking about baseball, not public unions. MLB has so much money they don't know what to spend it on, but they are still trying to give the little people as little as possible so owners can make more billions and the best players need $50 million a year.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 14, 2014 13:52:55 GMT -5
Further union/pension/etc. talk in the off-topic forum, please.
Thanks.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 15, 2014 18:56:18 GMT -5
Hard not to feel bad for Mark Mulder. Ruptured his achilles on first day doing agility drills in his attempted comeback.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 15, 2014 21:18:30 GMT -5
Hard not to feel bad for Mark Mulder. Ruptured his achilles on first day doing agility drills in his attempted comeback. Sad, about 12 hours before that story broke at MLB.com, there was a story about what great shape Mark was in and how he was ready for the the next chapter. (The story was pulled). ADD: Dempster would look good in an Angels uni, too bad they have elected to not have a minor league.
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Post by bentossaurus on Feb 16, 2014 2:28:00 GMT -5
Hard not to feel bad for Mark Mulder. Ruptured his achilles on first day doing agility drills in his attempted comeback. Sad, about 12 hours before that story broke at MLB.com, there was a story about what great shape Mark was in and how he was ready for the the next chapter. (The story was pulled). ADD: Dempster would look good in an Angels uni, too bad they have elected to not have a minor league. They could just take on all the salary and add their top International bonus slot, I'd certainly do it.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 16, 2014 3:37:04 GMT -5
Sad, about 12 hours before that story broke at MLB.com, there was a story about what great shape Mark was in and how he was ready for the the next chapter. (The story was pulled). ADD: Dempster would look good in an Angels uni, too bad they have elected to not have a minor league. They could just take on all the salary and add their top International bonus slot, I'd certainly do it. True but since we still have a little wiggle room under our cap, it might be a better idea to eat some of the salary in order to get a prospect back, baseball's equivalent of buying a prospect. We'll have to see how the spring progresses and see where we are when Drew is no longer something to consider. We could just as easily have a ruptured Achilles of our own to deal with.
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Post by jimoh on Feb 16, 2014 7:45:59 GMT -5
Not sure where to put this: www.fangraphs.com/not/playoff-odds-as-distance-from-rome-circa-200-ad/by Zach Reynolds - February 11, 2014 Below is a map of the Roman Empire upon which are pasted the logos of all 30 Major League Baseball teams. Where they are located on the map corresponds to cities of the Roman Empire. Each city’s distance from Rome in travel days is roughly equivalent to the chance each team has of making the playoffs in 2014. The image is entirely embiggenable and is really only understood in an embiggened state. [do not be alarmed at how close the Yankees look: the difficult terrain makes them twice as far from Rome as the Sox in terms of travel-time]
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Feb 16, 2014 10:24:09 GMT -5
Not sure where to put this: www.fangraphs.com/not/playoff-odds-as-distance-from-rome-circa-200-ad/by Zach Reynolds - February 11, 2014 Below is a map of the Roman Empire upon which are pasted the logos of all 30 Major League Baseball teams. Where they are located on the map corresponds to cities of the Roman Empire. Each city’s distance from Rome in travel days is roughly equivalent to the chance each team has of making the playoffs in 2014. The image is entirely embiggenable and is really only understood in an embiggened state. [do not be alarmed at how close the Yankees look: the difficult terrain makes them twice as far from Rome as try Sox in terms of travel-time] So we've essentially run out of ways to talk about what the playoff odds are for each team until the season starts?
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Post by templeusox on Feb 16, 2014 11:59:48 GMT -5
Los Mets live again!
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Post by taftreign on Feb 17, 2014 18:32:59 GMT -5
Good sign for the Orioles if they get it done. Worth the risk for $12 mil per year.
Edit: This also of course requires sacrificing the #17 pick elevating Boston's first rounder.
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