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Post by pedroelgrande on Nov 11, 2013 17:42:18 GMT -5
The Rockies would have to be significantly over-whelmed to trade Tulo. IMHO, the Cards would have to include Taveras, Miller and either Wong or another arm like Martinez in such a deal. Agreed. For these types of deals to get done you need #want from both sides. I think the Rockies lack of #want to trade Tulo makes this talks unlikely to come to fruition. Its kind of the same feeling I have on Stanton. I just don't see why the Marlins would want to trade him right now, unless, of course, they are getting a king's ransom.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Nov 11, 2013 17:43:51 GMT -5
The Sizemore Saga of injuries predates the kalish ones by years. Probably safer to look at Young, Gutirrez, even see if Davis gets rebuffed on his starting job offers, then begins seeking the same 4-5th OF role type jobs that he is suitable for. Those kind are what the team needs if Nava ends up FT as the 1b next year.
Look for Kalish as the make it back as a miracle player, that will be enough, Sizemore would be a larger one even and can't see Boston going with 2 of those same types on the winter 40 man roster myself.
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Post by sammo420 on Nov 11, 2013 19:53:05 GMT -5
@bradfo Grady Sizemore healthy. I want to believe. Yeah, I bet half of us silently chuckled to ourselves when we first read that too.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Nov 11, 2013 23:16:11 GMT -5
I'm curious of the details on the Japanese signing issue. I've heard rumbings but nothing definitive. To me, the Tanaka option is the biggest play this off season.
It seems that Cherington is pretty good at keeping leaks to a minimum out of that front office. I expect to be blind sided. The rumor mill is not his style.
And that is good. It's what we should expect from him. Half this stuff is agents and their mouthpieces like Heyman. Or clubs stirring up straw men to gain leverage. It's no surprise that we are hearing about Ruiz, Pierzynzki, McCann etc...and we probably still end up with Salty even though I hope to God not. I'd take any of the above instead.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Nov 11, 2013 23:31:45 GMT -5
Kind of encouraged by the Orioles rumors regarding him. Few things could fall in place with humongous odds.. Sign Ruiz for 2 years.. Orioles trade Weiters to someone after they sign Salty who has no money after he becomes a FA, Boston signs Weiters after he becomes a FA in 2 years.. Perfect outcome..
Huge odds of course. No money wasted on Salty. Boston gets a FAR better defensive catcher short term and a FAR better catcher overall long term in Weiters if they figure that Swihart isn't going to cut it in 2 years.
Win-Win situation and Salty is adding his strikeout totals to the Orioles, who already have 3/4 of the team eating "Special K" every third AB.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Nov 12, 2013 1:19:08 GMT -5
I know the feeling is that Middlebrooks and Trumbo are the same player. I've watched both and there is a difference to me. I believe Middlebrooks can come around. I just wish he wasn't 1) having to refine the pitch recognition skills and 2) learning to apply those skills to his plate discipline, after having reached the majors. Trumbo, I feel genuinely sorry for. He's been brutally honest about his failings as a hitter, quietly mentioning how difficult it is for him to stop swinging at pitches he shouldn't. For all the light-tower power that he has, and he can hit them as far as anybody, it's cringe-inducing to watch pitchers who know the book on him set him up and then knock him down with sliders that break outside the zone, just painful. He may never be able to overcome that lack of pitch recognition. For all the Ks that Napoli generates, it is part of an overall strategy he employes. He sees a lot of pitches which results in a good OBP and a very good pitch seen/at bat ratio. Those are important secondary skills. Trumbo doesn't have those skills at all. He would drive this board absolutely nuts.
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 12, 2013 1:28:14 GMT -5
ww.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2013/11/red_sox_absolutely_want_napoli_back.html?camp=misc:on:twit:sox&SREF=Optin&dlvrit=199675
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Post by jmei on Nov 12, 2013 22:03:17 GMT -5
A few new notes (all per Rob Bradford of WEEI): -Red Sox have not yet discussed a contract extension with Jon Lester but are expected to do so around Spring Training -They're also unlikely to pursue closers or other high-cost late-inning relievers and are more expected to go after sixth- or seventh-inning options -Dalier Hinojosa is viewed as a starter heading into 2014
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Post by taftreign on Nov 12, 2013 22:13:17 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 12, 2013 22:37:33 GMT -5
A few new notes (all per Rob Bradford of WEEI): -Red Sox have not yet discussed a contract extension with Jon Lester but are expected to do so around Spring Training -They're also unlikely to pursue closers or other high-cost late-inning relievers and are more expected to go after sixth- or seventh-inning options -Dalier Hinojosa is viewed as a starter heading into 2014 First one makes sense. You exercise the option to go deal with everything else with your manpower this offseason, then deal with Lester later. Second one does not, to me. There's probably an issue of definition with "high-cost" late-inning reliever, but I'd like them to bring in at least one proven, reliable bullpen arm. I don't like counting on Tazawa to be the primary RH setup guy, unless they're planning on tendering Bailey a contract or something. As for the third, all I read there, for now, is that he'll get stretched out in ST. Who knows what'll happen once they see him regularly.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Nov 12, 2013 23:07:15 GMT -5
Think it makes salary cap sense to wait until the 2014 season starts to at least announce a contract extension with lester. Epstein did that with Becket a few years back on his 4Y deal. Lester's new deal we all now is going to be close to double (or close) to his current 9m deal and Cherrington probably doesn't want to have the new figures mixed in the the 2013 salary, since he only has around 32m total to work with.
I think Tazawa is a proven setup and did a decent job, other than having issues vs 1 team, Toronto. Every playoff contender needs more than 1 guy like him and some may judge him harshly because after Bauley and Miller went down, he was the only power guy out of the pen who could come in and attempt to shut down the better teams. I do like breslow, but he, to me is better at fooling hitters that are not exactly top quality, while Taz, Miller are the 2 guys right now Boston has in the pen Farrell has who should be the late guys until Cherrington finds someone to get Miller back to the setup role.
From that report at MLBTR earlier today? It seems that Hanrahan might be out of the teams price range and that is too bad. The team must be really bargain shopping for relievers.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 12, 2013 23:15:52 GMT -5
I think Ruiz and Hudson are in line with what the Sox were trying to do this past offseason. Short-term overpays without losing a draft pick (I believe that's the case with Ruiz, correct?).
I am surprised at how little it appears and the keyword is appears that the Sox want to keep Salty. It's possible that throw in Game 3 will be his last action with the Sox. During the season it looked like he emerged as a leader behind the plate, but when push turned to shove it was David Ross (understandably) that Farrell trusted to guide the pitchers along. Seems like Salty lost points during the post-season. I think he was worn about by October and exposed by the elite October pitching he saw, but I think he did a really good job. As I was watching the Sox score runs on what seemed like wild pitch after wild pitch, I was concluding that Salty was doing a good job as the opposing runners weren't getting those free base advances.
I guess Ruiz makes sense as it buys them time until Vazquez and eventually Swihart are ready, and Hudson would make sense in place of Dempster. Other than that, I think the Sox will give Napoli 3 years, lose Ellsbury, sign a CF vet as an insurance policy for Bradley, sign a guy who can play infield to compete with Holt for a backup position, and will sign a good middle reliever who can pitch the 8th, as Tazawa hasn't proven himself a reliable 8th inning guy - however he was a great ROOGY in the post-season.
One last question - why would the Rockies want Ruiz? Are they planning on moving Rosario to 1b?
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Post by jmei on Nov 12, 2013 23:33:24 GMT -5
Yeah, the Rockies want Rosario to play more 1B and RF. He is a pretty bad defensive catcher, so it makes a little sense, but his bat doesn't really play but at either of those positions.
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Post by James Dunne on Nov 12, 2013 23:59:48 GMT -5
Yeah, the Rockies want Rosario to play more 1B and RF. He is a pretty bad defensive catcher, so it makes a little sense, but his bat doesn't really play but at either of those positions. Rosario slugged .486 as a 24-year old, and the Rox need a first baseman. If the bat keeps developing (or plays up with the move off of catcher) then it could be a smart move. Either way he isn't much of a backstop so it's probably worth a shot.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 13, 2013 7:04:53 GMT -5
Think it makes salary cap sense to wait until the 2014 season starts to at least announce a contract extension with lester. Epstein did that with Becket a few years back on his 4Y deal. Lester's new deal we all now is going to be close to double (or close) to his current 9m deal and Cherrington probably doesn't want to have the new figures mixed in the the 2013 salary, since he only has around 32m total to work with. I think Tazawa is a proven setup and did a decent job, other than having issues vs 1 team, Toronto. Every playoff contender needs more than 1 guy like him and some may judge him harshly because after Bauley and Miller went down, he was the only power guy out of the pen who could come in and attempt to shut down the better teams. I do like breslow, but he, to me is better at fooling hitters that are not exactly top quality, while Taz, Miller are the 2 guys right now Boston has in the pen Farrell has who should be the late guys until Cherrington finds someone to get Miller back to the setup role. From that report at MLBTR earlier today? It seems that Hanrahan might be out of the teams price range and that is too bad. The team must be really bargain shopping for relievers. Tazawa's velocity fluctuated pretty wildly all year long. He's not a guy I'd want to rely on too much.
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Post by joshv02 on Nov 13, 2013 7:56:20 GMT -5
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Post by elguapo on Nov 13, 2013 9:20:04 GMT -5
Second one does not, to me. There's probably an issue of definition with "high-cost" late-inning reliever, but I'd like them to bring in at least one proven, reliable bullpen arm.. I think the message was the equivalent of, "we expect to add a very good arm or two but we're not paying a big premium for saves". Every year very good relievers sign for less than $5M/yr.
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Post by sarasoxer on Nov 13, 2013 10:29:00 GMT -5
Tazawa's velocity fluctuated pretty wildly all year long. He's not a guy I'd want to rely on too much. I said this numerous times during the season but got resistance. It seemed to me that Taz , when rested, could pop 94-96. On second or third consecutive days he was 91-93. Miller's return will help immensely but we definitely need another, preferably power, bullpen arm. I am glad Hanrahan may be out of our price range because his lack of control does not fit our model. We were very fortunate with Breslow and Uehara as well as our other lower budget signings. I wonder if that formula can be repeated or was something of a one-trick pony in the larger sense. Surely tho, there are a lot of guys that may be on the cusp or as yet 'undiscovered' for one quality arm to stick.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Nov 13, 2013 10:39:59 GMT -5
A few new notes (all per Rob Bradford of WEEI): -Red Sox have not yet discussed a contract extension with Jon Lester but are expected to do so around Spring Training -They're also unlikely to pursue closers or other high-cost late-inning relievers and are more expected to go after sixth- or seventh-inning options -Dalier Hinojosa is viewed as a starter heading into 2014 First one makes sense. You exercise the option to go deal with everything else with your manpower this offseason, then deal with Lester later. Second one does not, to me. There's probably an issue of definition with "high-cost" late-inning reliever, but I'd like them to bring in at least one proven, reliable bullpen arm. I don't like counting on Tazawa to be the primary RH setup guy, unless they're planning on tendering Bailey a contract or something. As for the third, all I read there, for now, is that he'll get stretched out in ST. Who knows what'll happen once they see him regularly. I agree with you on the goal and just think you're right on the "definition" part of it, not that it doesn't make sense. All it seems to say to me is that "we're looking for a couple quality relievers to fill out our 'pen and not necessarily the high-priced names" … which would, for instance, fit with signing Koji Uehara last year but wouldn't fit with trading for Joel Hanrahan. And, yes, I chose the most obviously beneficial comparison there to make a point …
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Post by Oregon Norm on Nov 13, 2013 12:10:13 GMT -5
That's not the only example. You could just as easily have used Breslow, acquired for spare parts (Albers and Podsednik). There's some affordable talent out there this year, although the usual disclaimers apply. Given the relatively small number of innings for a typical reliever, you never know which part of the performance curve you'll be riding. Got to love those outliers like Uehara's 2013 season. That was one for the ages.
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Post by joshv02 on Nov 13, 2013 12:23:32 GMT -5
Tazawa's velocity fluctuated pretty wildly all year long. He's not a guy I'd want to rely on too much. I said this numerous times during the season but got resistance. It seemed to me that Taz , when rested, could pop 94-96. On second or third consecutive days he was 91-93. Miller's return will help immensely but we definitely need another, preferably power, bullpen arm. I am glad Hanrahan may be out of our price range because his lack of control does not fit our model. We were very fortunate with Breslow and Uehara as well as our other lower budget signings. I wonder if that formula can be repeated or was something of a one-trick pony in the larger sense. Surely tho, there are a lot of guys that may be on the cusp or as yet 'undiscovered' for one quality arm to stick. He had 15 appearances with 1 day rest, with an average FB speed of 94.2 He had 69 with 2+ days, avg = 94.3 I don't see it. The only times he had a FB velocity under 93: game Date Days rest OAK@BOS 4/22/2013 1 CLE@BOS 5/23/2013 4 BOS@BAL 6/16/2013 3 BOS@DET 6/21/2013 3 BOS@DET 6/23/2013 2 TOR@BOS 6/27/2013 1 BOS@ANA 7/7/2013 2 BOS@OAK 7/13/2013 4 NYA@BOS 7/19/2013 6 (Obviously includes playoffs)
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 13, 2013 13:28:07 GMT -5
“@gordonedes: Sox have used time here to gauge clubs" interests in their veteran starting pitchers, including Lackey”
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 13, 2013 13:48:21 GMT -5
Yeah, the Rockies want Rosario to play more 1B and RF. He is a pretty bad defensive catcher, so it makes a little sense, but his bat doesn't really play but at either of those positions. Thanks jmei and James. Didn't realize that Rosario was a terrible defensive catcher. Now their interest in Ruiz makes sense.
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Post by taftreign on Nov 13, 2013 14:40:25 GMT -5
“@gordonedes: Sox have used time here to gauge clubs" interests in their veteran starting pitchers, including Lackey” As they should. Perhaps it's just a case of due diligence. But whether the clubs intent is to move a starting pitcher this winter or not it at the very least should help provide a general baseline if the club wishes to move one during the summer. This could also be an indication the club has a comfort level in what players such as Workman and Webster or prospects like Ranaudo etc. . may be able to offer the club as a starter entering the spring. Either way I would expect nothing less form my teams or any teams front office.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 13, 2013 15:34:24 GMT -5
Huh. I think the last time I checked was maybe early August. At that point, his AVG FB velo had pinged up and down from 95 to 91 pretty randomly. He was definitely more consistent over the final two months though, so I'll concede that point to you in that respect. I knew it didn't have to do with days rest.
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