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Red Sox, Pierzynski nearing 1-year/$8.25mm deal
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 3, 2013 9:55:46 GMT -5
Pierzynski is an upgrade on Saltalam achia in terms of easier to spell... barely Apparently so. I wonder how much money... Any guesses? $7.5 last year - so $7? Wish I could say that was on purpose.
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Post by soxcentral on Dec 3, 2013 9:58:43 GMT -5
[I dunno, I think I would have preferred someone with more upside. In a vacuum I'd agree with you, but with Vasquez behind him I think we have as much of an upside guy waiting in the wings as we would have with Hanigan or anyone else mentioned here. And that's to say nothing of Swihart who has bigger upside but is not in the conversation for 2014. I actually like this move, because it gives us solid D no matter who starts and the platoon split offensively should keep it from being a black hole position offensively. It also frees resources for 1B & Ellsbury or to do something more creative. Curious to see what happens with Lavarnway & Butler, you have to figure one of the two has to go at some point this offseason, no?
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Post by nexus on Dec 3, 2013 10:00:54 GMT -5
Sigh. So much for guys who grind out ABs. Pierzynski's 3.27 pitches per PA ranked dead last among qualified hitters in 2013.
The money will be interesting. 1/? for Pierzynski v. 1/$14.1M risk bet offer to Saltalamacchia.
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Post by jrffam05 on Dec 3, 2013 10:06:12 GMT -5
Let me go back on myself for a second. I think the Red Sox had a game plan for catchers and stuck to it. AJ was the best they could of done within that game plan. It's not the worst move, and I am not a fan, but it is understandable after the knee jerk reaction. Whats the word on AJ's defense? I was under the impression that he was below average.
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Post by jmei on Dec 3, 2013 10:12:19 GMT -5
[I dunno, I think I would have preferred someone with more upside. In a vacuum I'd agree with you, but with Vasquez behind him I think we have as much of an upside guy waiting in the wings as we would have with Hanigan or anyone else mentioned here. And that's to say nothing of Swihart who has bigger upside but is not in the conversation for 2014. See, I think Vazquez is less an upside guy and more a high-floor, lower-ceiling type. I don't think Vazquez has the hit tool or the power to be a consistent All-Star, but his defense and plate discipline (not many strikeouts, some walks) make him a lock to be at least a good backup (think Ryan Hanigan or slightly worse A.J. Ellis). Vazquez probably has the upside of, say, Russell Martin or Carlos Ruiz (minus his one crazy power year), but that's based more on excellent defense than a great bat.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 3, 2013 10:18:13 GMT -5
Let me go back on myself for a second. I think the Red Sox had a game plan for catchers and stuck to it. AJ was the best they could of done within that game plan. It's not the worst move, and I am not a fan, but it is understandable after the knee jerk reaction. Whats the word on AJ's defense? I was under the impression that he was below average. It's about a sideways move with Salty, though he probably is better handling pitchers.
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Post by joshv02 on Dec 3, 2013 10:24:45 GMT -5
What is the expected difference b/w Salty and AJP- 6 runs on offense and a relative wash on defense (pitch framing has them roughly equal over their careers - 40k vs 60k pitches)? There is a little more uncertainty due to age, but not due to performance.
Sideways is right. It is intentionally sideways.
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Post by soxfanatic on Dec 3, 2013 10:29:16 GMT -5
Buster Olney ?@buster_ESPN 53s A.J. Pierzynski's one-year deal with Boston is for $8.25 million, pending a physical.
Edit: More than Navarro got for two seasons.
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Post by elguapo on Dec 3, 2013 10:45:11 GMT -5
That's a nice chunk of change.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 3, 2013 10:54:25 GMT -5
Buster Olney ?@buster_ESPN 53s A.J. Pierzynski's one-year deal with Boston is for $8.25 million, pending a physical. Edit: More than Navarro got for two seasons. I have no idea if Navarro is an above average hitting catcher in the majors or a guy who doesn't belong in the majors. He's so jeckell and hyde when you look at his career numbers. And he's a terrible catcher.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Dec 3, 2013 11:04:04 GMT -5
Well, the MLB catcher pool sucks, what else is new?
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Post by jrffam05 on Dec 3, 2013 11:05:23 GMT -5
I would have went 3 years 30M on salty, maybe even 32M. It's not like he wouldn't have any trade value in the third year. Still don't know how I feel about this
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Post by soxcentral on Dec 3, 2013 11:08:48 GMT -5
In a vacuum I'd agree with you, but with Vasquez behind him I think we have as much of an upside guy waiting in the wings as we would have with Hanigan or anyone else mentioned here. And that's to say nothing of Swihart who has bigger upside but is not in the conversation for 2014. See, I think Vazquez is less an upside guy and more a high-floor, lower-ceiling type. I don't think Vazquez has the hit tool or the power to be a consistent All-Star, but his defense and plate discipline (not many strikeouts, some walks) make him a lock to be at least a good backup (think Ryan Hanigan or slightly worse A.J. Ellis). Vazquez probably has the upside of, say, Russell Martin or Carlos Ruiz (minus his one crazy power year), but that's based more on excellent defense than a great bat. To me a best case scenario for a catcher, unless you draft a Buster Posey, is a guy who excels on defense and can get on base at a decent clip. My hope is that is what Vasquez becomes, albeit without the power of a Salty or McCann or others. We likely differ greatly on our faith in his ability to hit, and although I can't say I'm rooting for you to be right there is clearly a strong possibility you will be.
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Post by ericmvan on Dec 3, 2013 11:12:39 GMT -5
I would have infinitely preferred trading for Hanigan. We'll see how he does elsewhere if he's dealt as expected, keeping in mind my prediction that his offense will vary as a function of the offensive environment.
This may be promising for AJP:
.234 / .274 / .345 (155 PA), vs. Boston pitchers at home .322 / .328 / .424 (119 PA), in Fenway
Someone want to look at spray charts with ballpark overlays?
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Post by MLBDreams on Dec 3, 2013 11:15:13 GMT -5
Not sorry & sad to see Salty go. It's better off by not watching him to get 3 or 4 K's in some games. He has 3 straight 119+ K's seasons (all with the RS). Jarrod won't be around for WS ring on opening day home game with the guys he loved to be around. That's his choice by not taking 2 yr or less contract. AJ's highest K of his 15 MLB seasons is 78.
I'm happy by not to deal with K's, passed balls, errant throwing & errors. It's one less headache for me to watch.
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Post by wcp3 on Dec 3, 2013 11:17:45 GMT -5
Well, this offseason is already a failure.
Just kidding. I'm not really a fan of this move, but two years for that kind of money will be nothing even if it doesn't work out.
Also, 3/$30 mill for Salty is laugh out loud funny.
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Post by moonstone2 on Dec 3, 2013 11:31:09 GMT -5
I think posters need to look at the deal in terms of what the Red Sox other options were. Pierzynski's strength is that he's now caught 120+ games every year since 2001 and been above replacement level in doing so. He's an extremely low risk low reward player. Certainly other options such as Navarro and Hannigan present more upside, but they also present more risk. Hannigan, which some have argued for also would have involved giving up at least one player, signing Pierzynski does not.
Before fully evaluating this move, I want to see what the ultimate price is on Hannigan. However I would certainly rather they do this than sign a Salty or Ruiz for thee years or even Navarro for two.
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Post by jrffam05 on Dec 3, 2013 11:35:25 GMT -5
Not sorry & sad to see Salty go. It's better off by not watching him to get 3 or 4 K's in some games. He has 3 straight 119+ K's seasons (all with the RS). Jarrod won't be around for WS ring on opening day home game with the guys he loved to be around. That's his choice by not taking 2 yr or less contract. AJ's highest K of his 15 MLB seasons is 78. I'm happy by not to deal with K's, passed balls, errant throwing & errors. It's one less headache for me to watch. Right, because Pierzynski will put an end to all of that.
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Post by soxfanatic on Dec 3, 2013 11:39:07 GMT -5
Nick Cafardo ?@nickcafardo 23s pierzynski strongly recommended by pitch coach Juan Nieves who worked with him in Chicago
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Post by steveofbradenton on Dec 3, 2013 11:54:16 GMT -5
Good one year move. I, also, will not miss those SWINGING K's by Salty. The only downside for me is Salty is such a good guy. No idea how many options Lavarnway or Butler has, but one of them is going bye bye so as not to take a place on our 40 and to allow Vazquez to catch 60% of the games in Pawtucket next season (or more).
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Post by pedey on Dec 3, 2013 11:55:27 GMT -5
They say there is no such thing as a bad one-year deal, because if it doesn't work out, you don't have him for another year. I'm not disappointed nor thrilled with this signing.
Where does this put Lavarnway?
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Post by elguapo on Dec 3, 2013 11:58:35 GMT -5
No idea how many options Lavarnway or Butler has,. There is a website that has a lot of good information about this sort of thing: www.soxprospects.com/40man.htm
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Post by taftreign on Dec 3, 2013 12:02:08 GMT -5
Well I guess we can clearly define the earlier report.
Nov 30, 2013 13:12:51 GMT -5 soxfanatic said:
According to a major league source, the Red Sox haven’t set a deadline for any of their unsigned free agents to accept the club’s offers, but are “certainly working on other options, also.”
Another source has confirmed that the Red Sox have told at least one of the free agents whom they have offered a contract to that the team is nearing a point where they hope to decide between alternatives.
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Post by soxfanatic on Dec 3, 2013 12:02:52 GMT -5
This puts the 40 man roster at 39 BTW.
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Post by ray88h66 on Dec 3, 2013 12:06:41 GMT -5
Good move given the options. Ben is sticking to the plan.
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