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Red Sox, Pierzynski nearing 1-year/$8.25mm deal
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Post by amfox1 on Dec 3, 2013 8:15:40 GMT -5
Per Heyman and others.
Discuss.
EDIT: added term/amount of deal, per the Twitterverse.
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Post by soxfanatic on Dec 3, 2013 8:18:09 GMT -5
Let's see the terms first before overreacting. He did hit 27 as recently as 2012.
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Post by amfox1 on Dec 3, 2013 8:18:57 GMT -5
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Post by mattpicard on Dec 3, 2013 8:29:19 GMT -5
Pierzynski had the same number of walks last year (11) in 529 PAs as Xander Bogaerts did in 84 PAs.
Not sure what the terms are, but I can comfortably say I'd take AJP for one year over Salty for three any day. Hate the walk rate, but going from a 30% to sub 15% K-rate from our starting catcher will be nice. As for his character, I don't think it's been an issue with his own teams. He was the Rangers "Good Guy" recipient this past season.
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Post by jimoh on Dec 3, 2013 8:35:14 GMT -5
sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/ben_reiter/08/23/pierzynski/1.htmlGood discussion of his lack of popularity with opponents. "He's not any more of a d--- than anyone else," said White Sox designated hitter Adam Dunn. [...] "Playing against him for so long, he was probably one of my least liked guys," said Diamondbacks closer J.J. Putz, of his mindset prior to signing with the White Sox for the 2010 season. "Then my locker was right next to his, and after that he became one of my favorite teammates ever. He's not a baby, but just a guy who is so passionate that he doesn't hold anything back. Until you play with him, you have a misperception of what he is." [...] "White Sox general manager Kenny Williams was initially reluctant to sign him. ..... "I'll sum it up for you: if we didn't bring him on board when we did -- though I can say it about a lot of our players -- I don't believe we'd be walking around here with a championship ring from 2005, and have been in position to chase other championships. And I don't think he would be as good as he is, if he didn't play the game as emotionally, as intelligently, as he does." Read More: sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/ben_reiter/08/23/pierzynski/index.html#ixzz2mQ0wU6um
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Post by iakovos11 on Dec 3, 2013 8:39:19 GMT -5
Good finds jjmoh
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Post by jmei on Dec 3, 2013 9:05:21 GMT -5
My issue with Pierzynski is that while his last two years in Texas have been pretty good (mostly due to an uptick in power-- compare his .187 ISO in Texas to his career .145 mark), he was a below-average starting catcher for a long, long stretch before that. From 2004-11, he racked up 500+ PAs in every year, but never surpassed 2 fWAR (that said, he was never worse than 1 fWAR, either). In other words, he's pretty much the definition of a steady but unexciting borderline-starting option who has remained extremely durable but who has little to no upside and will be 37 next year. For one year and presumably reasonable money, you could do a lot worse, but I would have preferred Hanigan, Navarro, and maybe even Saltalamacchia. If I told you before the offseason started that the Red Sox were going to miss out on McCann, Ruiz, and Saltalamacchia and have to settle for Pierzynski, you'd have to be pretty disappointed, right?
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Post by awall on Dec 3, 2013 9:10:52 GMT -5
No, I would have been satisfied with a 1 year deal for Perzynksi. This is a good long-term vision move. Wonder if this puts Lavarnway in a deal this off-season or is he insurance as part of a 1B platoon with Carp in case a deal with Napoli isn't reached?
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Post by jro545454 on Dec 3, 2013 9:12:47 GMT -5
I hope he reverts to his 2012 splits against RHP(.287/.338/.536/.874 and .283 BABIP) compared to his 2011(.283/.319/.393/.711 with a .282 BABIP) or 2013(.269/.286/.438/.724 with a .268 BABIP) seasons.
Either way, I think he'll match or exceed Saltalamacchia's handling of the pitching staff. This leaves us with incredible depth at C.
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Post by amfox1 on Dec 3, 2013 9:14:43 GMT -5
If I told you before the offseason started that the Red Sox were going to miss out on McCann, Ruiz, and Saltalamacchia and have to settle for Pierzynski, you'd have to be pretty disappointed, right? Only if they don't use the flexibility of a short-dollar deal to re-sign at least one of their big three FAs. I personally thought it was a mistake not to offer the QO to Salty and still do, but I would rather have a one-year stopgap in AJP than 5/85 with McCann or 3/26 with Ruiz.
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Post by elguapo on Dec 3, 2013 9:20:55 GMT -5
In other words, he's pretty much the definition of a steady but unexciting borderline-starting option who has remained extremely durable but who has little to no upside and will be 37 next year. That sounds like an endorsement. Add - I didn't want Pierzynski as a fan because he rubs me the wrong way, but from a business sense it's fine. I've gotta think the Sox do not value Salty that highly - it will be interesting to see what he ends up getting on the market. Supposedly Minnesota (edit - or maybe not) and Florida are two of the leading contender for his services - not exactly deep pockets there. Time for Lavarnway or Butler to go, no? If we keep saying this, eventually it will be true.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Dec 3, 2013 9:23:24 GMT -5
Maybe a signing like this would be sort of comparable to a principle churchgoers sometimes reference -- "Using the Devil to do the Lord's work."
Logistically, Pierzynski makes as much bargain-basement sense as anyone the Sox could obtain. Historically capable of catching enough to keep Ross' workload acceptably diminished. A LH hitter with the majority of pitchers still being RH, so offensively at least, a close-to-optimally efficient platoon is easy to envision. And, IF the reports of his energy being basically positive within his own clubhouse are correct, he actually might be a motivational help to a team coming off a long, exhausting season with possibly a natural letdown after an inspirational, unlikely championship the year before.
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Post by PedroKsBambino on Dec 3, 2013 9:30:31 GMT -5
@sean_mcadam Can confirm Red Sox have signed A.J. Pierzynski to a one year deal. Signing first reported by @jonheymancbs
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Post by sibbysisti on Dec 3, 2013 9:30:47 GMT -5
If it is a one year deal as Heyman and the OP mentioned, that leaves the Sox with two C vacancies at season's end. That is assuming that neither A.J. nor Ross is extended.
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Post by jmei on Dec 3, 2013 9:30:48 GMT -5
In other words, he's pretty much the definition of a steady but unexciting borderline-starting option who has remained extremely durable but who has little to no upside and will be 37 next year. That sounds like an endorsement. Add - I didn't want Pierzynski as a fan because he rubs me the wrong way, but from a business sense it's fine. I dunno, I think I would have preferred someone with more upside. Plus, durability and consistency is a skill until one day, it just isn't anymore. I don't think it's a bad signing, but rather an uncreative one that only makes sense if the surplus money saved is spent well, which I'm not confident will be the case with the market as inflated as it is and the remaining free agents available.
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Post by sibbysisti on Dec 3, 2013 9:38:40 GMT -5
If Lavarnway is not traded he'll most likely wind up in Pawtucket as first injury call-up. That would create somewhat of a log jam with him, Butler and Vasquez competing for playing time.
Would that be the time to break Ryan in at 1B?
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 3, 2013 9:45:24 GMT -5
Pierzynski is an upgrade on Saltalamachia in terms of easier to spell... barely
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Post by jro545454 on Dec 3, 2013 9:48:07 GMT -5
We seem to be saving money with a lot of these moves. Where is it going to be invested? Do you really think the Sox are going to go after Ellsbury? I can't see them going after Choo or Ellsbury but neither would really surprise me.
Is Tanaka in play?
They seem to have a large chunk of money underneath the cap to play with and I have no idea where it is going.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 3, 2013 9:48:20 GMT -5
I wonder how much money... Any guesses?
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 3, 2013 9:49:09 GMT -5
Choice 1 - sign Ruiz for 2 years Choice 2 - sign a starting catcher for 1 year.
We got the only option for choice 2. I'm fine with it.
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Post by elguapo on Dec 3, 2013 9:49:34 GMT -5
Pierzynski is an upgrade on Saltalam achia in terms of easier to spell... barely Apparently so. I wonder how much money... Any guesses? $7.5 last year - so $7?
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Post by jrffam05 on Dec 3, 2013 9:52:00 GMT -5
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Post by soxfanatic on Dec 3, 2013 9:52:13 GMT -5
I'm guessing 1yr/6M
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Post by jro545454 on Dec 3, 2013 9:52:47 GMT -5
Would people be happy with 1yr/8 mil? What does everyone think the dollar value is? What is the max amount of money will everyone be happy with?
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Post by soxfanatic on Dec 3, 2013 9:52:58 GMT -5
Would have preferred Navarro for 2/8M BTW. Very cost effective.
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