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Post by James Dunne on Mar 16, 2014 13:45:31 GMT -5
If the Tigers had internal SS help, they wouldn't have traded Avisail Garcia to get Iglesias in the first place.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 16, 2014 13:54:17 GMT -5
I bet Boras is demanding multiple years so there's no point in even talking to him. Good luck getting a multi-year deal in June.
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Post by grandsalami on Mar 16, 2014 14:56:55 GMT -5
Retweeted by Buster Olney Tom Gage ?@tom_Gage 2h #Tigers to seek internal SS solution initially - Dombro Of course he would say they would look internally. He would not show his hand and say they are talking to drew. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Post by amfox1 on Mar 16, 2014 14:57:35 GMT -5
If the Tigers had internal SS help, they wouldn't have traded Avisail Garcia to get Iglesias in the first place. Their best internal option, Eugenio Suarez, was ticketed for Double-A ball. Right now, the Tigers are trying to figure out if this is a one-month or season-long injury before they consider paying Drew's asking price. Part of the problem is that this is a fairly unique injury (only hurts when he decelerates, not when he accelerates or runs at top speed).
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 16, 2014 21:36:25 GMT -5
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Post by grandsalami on Mar 16, 2014 22:08:10 GMT -5
GO get him mets
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Post by jmei on Mar 16, 2014 22:16:23 GMT -5
There does seem to be a ton of shortstop candidates on the trade market. Aside from the aforementioned Rollins, Barney, and Franklin, there's also Didi Gregorious (who is edged out by Chris Owings in Arizona), Danny Espinosa of the Nationals (behind Ian Desmond/Anthony Rendon), Alexei Ramirez (at one time rumored to be on the trade market), and various iterations of veteran placeholders (consider the Izturii, for instance).
I don't find the Henning article (the one posted by Chris above) particularly persuasive. If Iglesias is out for most/all of the season, Drew is at least an upgrade of a couple wins over the likes of Suarez, which will be valuable for home field advantage purposes even if the Tigers think they're going to run away with the Central. I think Drew would be open to a one-year deal (and he might even sign for less than the QO at this point), while all of those other options he brings up are either really bad or are going to cost significant trade assets (equal to or greater than the anticipated value of a late-first-round pick). One additional argument in favor of them signing Drew: if the Tigers think Iglesias really is the SS of the future, they'd only need a one-year stopgap, and most of the above trade candidates are young players with years of team control ahead of them (one potential exception is Rollins, though he has a vesting option for 2015 that appears likely to vest (he only needs 434 PAs this year)).
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Post by kman22 on Mar 16, 2014 22:20:21 GMT -5
I'm not familiar with the writer, but that sounds like he might be misunderstanding the draft pick compensation system. Yes, they'd be forfeiting their draft pick, but they aren't forfeiting it to the Red Sox. It probably doesn't change the message that Dombrowski was looking to send, but if he's inferring all of that, that misunderstanding might be more noteworthy.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 16, 2014 23:52:30 GMT -5
I'm not familiar with the writer, but that sounds like he might be misunderstanding the draft pick compensation system. Yes, they'd be forfeiting their draft pick, but they aren't forfeiting it to the Red Sox. It probably doesn't change the message that Dombrowski was looking to send, but if he's inferring all of that, that misunderstanding might be more noteworthy. Is it really a misunderstanding? If the Tigers sign Drew, they lose a pick and the Red Sox gain one. No, it's not in the same spot, but really, it's still kind of a true, albeit crude, way to put it.
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Post by grandsalami on Mar 17, 2014 10:18:50 GMT -5
“@jim_Duquette: Source close to Jose Iglesias just told me he has stress fractures of both shins,no longer shin splints.He's Flying to Col for confirmation”
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Post by kman22 on Mar 17, 2014 13:05:41 GMT -5
I'm not familiar with the writer, but that sounds like he might be misunderstanding the draft pick compensation system. Yes, they'd be forfeiting their draft pick, but they aren't forfeiting it to the Red Sox. It probably doesn't change the message that Dombrowski was looking to send, but if he's inferring all of that, that misunderstanding might be more noteworthy. Is it really a misunderstanding? If the Tigers sign Drew, they lose a pick and the Red Sox gain one. No, it's not in the same spot, but really, it's still kind of a true, albeit crude, way to put it. I'm going to stick with it being a misunderstanding. The way it was stated was exactly how the previous draft pick compensation system worked.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 17, 2014 13:09:18 GMT -5
Is it really a misunderstanding? If the Tigers sign Drew, they lose a pick and the Red Sox gain one. No, it's not in the same spot, but really, it's still kind of a true, albeit crude, way to put it. I'm going to stick with it being a misunderstanding. The way it was stated was exactly how the previous draft pick compensation system worked. I read it as the Tigers don't want to be the team that enables the Red Sox to have another pick while giving up their own. It really doesn't matter.
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Post by kman22 on Mar 17, 2014 13:12:27 GMT -5
I'm going to stick with it being a misunderstanding. The way it was stated was exactly how the previous draft pick compensation system worked. I read it as the Tigers don't want to be the team that enables the Red Sox to have another pick while giving up their own. It really doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. And I agree, the message that Dombrowski doesn't want to sacrifice a pick for Drew is the same either way.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 20, 2014 11:00:06 GMT -5
Jon Heyman ?@jonheymancbs 6m
tigers dombrowski announces Jose Iglesias more likely than not to miss 2014 season. says been told he'll be OK for '15 tho
So.......
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Post by James Dunne on Mar 20, 2014 11:22:10 GMT -5
In related news, Rick Porcello is on an elevator to the top of One Detroit Center.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 20, 2014 11:26:35 GMT -5
In related news, Rick Porcello is on an elevator to the top of One Detroit Center. For a team with WS aspirations, I just cannot fathom the Tigers not handing Drew a blank check (on a 1 year deal) at this point. I still think they will, but I'm sure Boras is waiting until the day after the opener. I don't think the Tigers can wait until June 1st.
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Post by GyIantosca on Mar 20, 2014 20:24:23 GMT -5
I just think Drew could of signed for one year already. There being stubborn and looking for more years. That is the whole problem. Because the Mets pick is protected. Boras said he talked to 4 teams if you believe him or not and Drew is open to switching postions. So lets say Toronto wanted one year deal because both of there 1st rounders are protected. Also Boras critcized them in an interview so I put one and one together and I believe they were another team interested but for one year.
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Post by grandsalami on Mar 21, 2014 15:02:25 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 21, 2014 15:04:07 GMT -5
Sure once the regular season starts he will sign a one year deal with anyone.
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Post by grandsalami on Mar 22, 2014 15:09:37 GMT -5
Peter Gammons ?@pgammo 14s GM today said Scott Boras insists he has three years and $39M on the table for Stephen Drew
lol
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Post by kman22 on Mar 22, 2014 16:06:55 GMT -5
Now that's a great agent. Boras is offering to pay Drew $39 million over the next three years if he can't find a team to pay him that much. Commitment.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Mar 22, 2014 18:34:40 GMT -5
Now that's a great agent. Boras is offering to pay Drew $39 million over the next three years if he can't find a team to pay him that much. Commitment. This. Unless there is a Japanese team willing to pay Drew that much, I call complete and unadulterated horse manure on Boras here. Thing is, when Drew ends up signing a 1-year contract for an amount not much different than that, who in the press is going to confront Boras on this baldfaced lie?
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Post by grandsalami on Mar 22, 2014 19:07:17 GMT -5
“@pgammo: While many hoped Scott Boras 3/$39M two, not one GM, claimed meant Drew had a home, Boras says any unnamed GM is "darts, not facts."”
Someone here please translate.
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Post by michaelgelbwasser on Mar 22, 2014 19:14:08 GMT -5
It sounds like Peter says two GMs gave him the 3/$39, and now Boras denies having that offer.
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Post by rasimon on Mar 23, 2014 8:20:34 GMT -5
It sounds like Peter says two GMs gave him the 3/$39, and now Boras denies having that offer. I think Gammo is saying that a GM said that Boras said that there were 2 offers for 3/39. Now Boras will not confirm those numbers
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