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Post by jimed14 on Mar 2, 2014 14:40:34 GMT -5
I want 5/90, wouldn't be upset with 6/105
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Post by grandsalami on Mar 2, 2014 14:44:44 GMT -5
I want 5/90, wouldn't be upset with 6/105 I know he said he would take a hometown discount, But lets not insult him with something like 5/90.. He is going to get around 100MM
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Post by okin15 on Mar 2, 2014 16:10:52 GMT -5
I'd go up to about 21.5 a year. On the open market, he's probably worth 22-24 depending on which teams are in. Prices are going UP UP UP, and the Sox would do well to lock some pitching in at the current rates.
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Post by bluechip on Mar 2, 2014 16:12:57 GMT -5
If Lester gets the numbers being thrown around on talk radio (140 to 150 million), he is going to be one of the most overpaid pitchers in the game.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 3, 2014 10:01:16 GMT -5
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Post by jmei on Mar 3, 2014 10:26:04 GMT -5
MacPherson and Britton of the ProJo guess five years, $110m (starting in 2014-- so effectively 4/$97m). That trades a higher AAV for one fewer year, which seems like something this front office might want to do. That's still on the upper bounds of what I'd be comfortable with, though.
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Post by mattpicard on Mar 3, 2014 11:20:36 GMT -5
MacPherson and Britton of the ProJo guess five years, $110m (starting in 2014-- so effectively 4/$97m). That trades a higher AAV for one fewer year, which seems like something this front office might want to do. That's still on the upper bounds of what I'd be comfortable with, though. Interesting - I kind of like it, at least compared to some other potential contracts I've seen floated around. For me, five years is the absolute maximum I'm willing to go with Lester. He's not going to be a $22m AAV pitcher, but I don't see anything under $20m getting it done if the deal fails to eclipse a handful of years.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 3, 2014 16:24:41 GMT -5
MacPherson and Britton of the ProJo guess five years, $110m (starting in 2014-- so effectively 4/$97m). That trades a higher AAV for one fewer year, which seems like something this front office might want to do. That's still on the upper bounds of what I'd be comfortable with, though. The way this team should be set up salary wise, I'd be perfectly happy giving him almost 25m a year for only 4 years.
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Post by beasleyrockah on Mar 3, 2014 18:15:52 GMT -5
5/110m should not be called a discount. If he signs that deal in October after completing a successful season it might be a discount, but at this point I definitely wouldn't want to commit more than that.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 7, 2014 8:04:31 GMT -5
So I despise Kirk Minihane, but he summarizes a legit case against Lester. I still extend him for 5-110, but it's a risky proposition. My reasons for signing him are: 1. Durability to this point 2. Solid regular season performances with runs of dominance 3. Post season ability to bear down and pitch like an Ace 4. Mentor/bridge to younger players 5. Don't see a way to really replace him (Scherzer will either be way too expensive or resign) 6. Sox are setup nicely salary wise for a few years so the timing is kind of perfect www.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/kirk-minihane/2014/03/07/case-against-extending-jon-lester
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Post by steveofbradenton on Mar 7, 2014 11:07:11 GMT -5
Minihane's years and dollars are quite fair for Jon Lester at 4 years and $80M, but I doubt that will get it done. A 6 year contract is really a poor decision, and I can't see Cherington going there. 5 years? Not sure.
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Post by grandsalami on Mar 21, 2014 13:13:33 GMT -5
MLBTR says sox are making progress on an extension
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 21, 2014 13:25:27 GMT -5
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Post by grandsalami on Mar 21, 2014 18:20:25 GMT -5
Joel Sherman ?@joelsherman1 16m Also heard significant gap between what Lester wants long term and what #Redsox willing to do with Opening Day deadline looming
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Post by grandsalami on Mar 21, 2014 18:32:08 GMT -5
Peter Gammons ?@pgammo 1m Whille Lester takes high road, nothing right now indicates anything is remotely close in his extension negotiations
2:37pm: Lester says that he and the Red Sox have made progress on an extension but are "not in the red zone," tweets Brian MacPherson of the Providence Journal. Scott Lauber of the Boston Herald adds that Lester is willing to continue negotiating into the season if the two sides can reach the "five-yard line" prior to Opening Day (Twitter link). WEEI.com's Rob Bradford spoke with a team source who feels that both Lester and Ortiz will have new contracts prior to Opening Day, though nothing is imminent with Lester.
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Post by godot on Mar 21, 2014 20:00:36 GMT -5
Seems the issue is amount of money, not $$ per year. If so, Sox do not seem to budge on years.
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Post by amfox1 on Mar 29, 2014 9:35:19 GMT -5
Pete Abraham ?@peteabe 1m #redsox and @jlester31 have tabled their extension talks amicably. Sides still want deal. Could talk in season.
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Post by grandsalami on Mar 29, 2014 9:52:31 GMT -5
Pete Abraham ?@peteabe 1m #redsox and @jlester31 have tabled their extension talks amicably. Sides still want deal. Could talk in season.
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Post by Guidas on Mar 29, 2014 10:05:11 GMT -5
So it looks like Lester and Scherzer will be Yankees next year. Great.
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Post by godot on Mar 29, 2014 10:14:30 GMT -5
Pete Abraham ?@peteabe 1m #redsox and @jlester31 have tabled their extension talks amicably. Sides still want deal. Could talk in season. Yeah, it is following the scenario of the Sox not budging on years, something that other teams will. He is gone next year, enjoy him this year. Right now "the market" is contracts into years that probably will not be that productive. Sox and JH believe that a Lester is replaceable, not a Papi or Dustin who signed for less but will get paid probably in unproductive years. I do not know if they are right or just arrogant, but young pitchers do not always develop as projected. Bird in had is sometimes worth more than two in the bush (league) . Lester has continued to improve and seems to be very sturdy, at least so far. But what do I know. I would have given Ellsbury the extra years.
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Post by wcp3 on Mar 29, 2014 10:36:49 GMT -5
You guys are overreacting.
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Post by beasleyrockah on Mar 29, 2014 10:55:41 GMT -5
Pete Abraham ?@peteabe 1m #redsox and @jlester31 have tabled their extension talks amicably. Sides still want deal. Could talk in season. Yeah, it is following the scenario of the Sox not budging on years, something that other teams will. He is gone next year, enjoy him this year. Right now "the market" is contracts into years that probably will not be that productive. Sox and JH believe that a Lester is replaceable, not a Papi or Dustin who signed for less but will get paid probably in unproductive years. I do not know if they are right or just arrogant, but young pitchers do not always develop as projected. Bird in had is sometimes worth more than two in the bush (league) . Lester has continued to improve and seems to be very sturdy, at least so far. But what do I know. I would have given Ellsbury the extra years. In what sense? His 08-10 run was clearly better than his 11-13 run. I wish we had an idea of what the Red Sox were offering and what Lester wants. It seemed like this would be easy to complete with Lester's offseason comments.
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Post by jdb on Mar 29, 2014 11:55:18 GMT -5
You guys are overreacting. Agree. I think it will get done but some won't like the numbers.
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Post by godot on Mar 29, 2014 12:04:18 GMT -5
Could be wrong, but from what has been said, the issue appears to be number of years. Does not seem to be that much of a difference on salary per year. The fact that the negotiations are on hiatus suggest an impasse on years.
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Post by wcp3 on Mar 29, 2014 12:31:41 GMT -5
All signs point to the two sides being in the same ballpark with regard to the extension. I have no doubt it will get worked out, and it will probably be a reasonable deal for both sides.
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