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2014 Official Spring Training Thread
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 12, 2014 21:45:05 GMT -5
I first saw it referenced as OTM posters.
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Post by patrmac04 on Feb 12, 2014 23:44:33 GMT -5
Maureen Mullen ?@maureenamullen 4 min. Bogaerts will be working out strictly as SS this spring. #RedSox think unfair for young player to take on 2 positions at same time. Also suggests they´re not likely to sign Drew IMO. If we sign Drew, we have to trade a starter. It never made sense to sign him with Xander showing that he could handle the spotlight in the World Series. I hope your read is true, as that is my read and wish as well. Sent from my SGH-T999 using proboards
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Post by soxfanatic on Feb 13, 2014 12:50:15 GMT -5
@gordonedes: Doubront spent seven weeks in Sarasota, working out at IMG. It shows
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 13, 2014 13:09:22 GMT -5
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Post by memphis44 on Feb 13, 2014 13:39:19 GMT -5
Question. Does minor league spring training start at the same time as the major league club's? Is each affiliate have it's own spring training? Is there any information on the minors spring training? Who showed up in shape, who's out of shape, who might be placed higher than expected...etc
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Post by Oregon Norm on Feb 13, 2014 13:55:12 GMT -5
Damn, he even grew what looks to be a real beard...
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 13, 2014 14:01:07 GMT -5
Question. Does minor league spring training start at the same time as the major league club's? Is each affiliate have it's own spring training? Is there any information on the minors spring training? Who showed up in shape, who's out of shape, who might be placed higher than expected...etc I haven't seen the minor league reporting dates anywhere yet, but there is usually a mini camp for top prospects right after the MLB camp guys start, and minor league camp will start in full in March. There isn't a separate camp for each affiliate because the rosters aren't even set until the end of camp. As for the other stuff... you're there dude.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Feb 13, 2014 15:13:55 GMT -5
...so use your best judgement, but fill us in!
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Post by brianthetaoist on Feb 13, 2014 20:28:05 GMT -5
@gordonedes: Doubront spent seven weeks in Sarasota, working out at IMG. It shows Ah, my optimism about Doubront getting some BSOHL love this spring confirmed ... good sign.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 14, 2014 9:41:04 GMT -5
Drew and Ellsbury put up a combined 9.2 fWAR last year (3.4 Drew, 5.8 Ellsbury). To expect Bradley and Bogaerts to reach that level of excellence in their first full year is setting expectations much too high. I would be thrilled, for instance, if Bradley and Bogaerts combine for something on the order of 6 wins next year. This years' team may very well be as good as last years', but the improvement will have to mostly come from elsewhere-- say, a bounce-back from Middlebrooks and a sustained run of health and performance from the rotation. (Quoting an off-topic post from the Law 100 thread) This is a great point, and makes me realize that we're going to have a hard time having as good an offense this year. Even including the injuries sustained last year, I expect offensive regression from Ortiz, Napoli, CF, and Catcher. I expect about the same production from LF, SS and Victorino (remember he missed a lot of time with injuries). And I'd expect improved production from Pedroia and 3B. Luckily, we have good backups in place to support injuries to Ortiz, Napoli, C and LF, where much of our offensive injury risk lies, but the same was true last year. In addition to a potential breakout from Xander, WMB or JBJ to lift the boat, we're going to need better pitching to equal last year's record. More Buchholz and more Peavy should help some, as could further improvement from Doubront. These guys could be helped tremendously by a bolstered bullpen which can hold leads from a bit earlier in games. What do WAR numbers have to do with offense? Drews WAR was very much influenced by his D. This offense will be different, but not necessarily better or worse then last season. it's still going to be an offense that makes pitchers work, top to bottom, with only a couple exceptions (AJ & maybe WMB). WMB and his approach this season will be interesting. last year he saw a lot of pitches per AB, but mostly because that was his goal so he just watched pitches go by to accomplish that. Set himself up into a lot of bad counts doing that. It's not a good approach. Selective is good,but needs to be situational with it and a lot more aggressive at times. Xander will be a drop defensively from Drew, but I think most expect him give a good step up offensively. Yes, it's a lot to ask, but he's a special player and while no one expects him to be at his peak yet, real strong numbers aren't unreasonable.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 14, 2014 9:44:32 GMT -5
@gordonedes: Doubront spent seven weeks in Sarasota, working out at IMG. It shows Ah, my optimism about Doubront getting some BSOHL love this spring confirmed ... good sign. While it's foolish to overreact to most of these stories,this particular one us important. It was a high priority of the team and a major question mark for Felix. I don't like giving accolades to a well paid athlete for working hard and being in shape so I won't. But as a fan and from a team perspective, it's huge. If he dedicates himself, you're looking at a young lefty who has the ability to pitch near the top of the rotation for years.
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Post by ericmvan on Feb 14, 2014 11:23:06 GMT -5
Ah, my optimism about Doubront getting some BSOHL love this spring confirmed ... good sign. While it's foolish to overreact to most of these stories,this particular one us important. It was a high priority of the team and a major question mark for Felix. I don't like giving accolades to a well paid athlete for working hard and being in shape so I won't. But as a fan and from a team perspective, it's huge. If he dedicates himself, you're looking at a young lefty who has the ability to pitch near the top of the rotation for years. Yogi Berra never said "90% of this game is half physical." Ultimately, it will be makeup that determines whether Doubront reaches his tantalizing ceiling, and that it took two years to get him motivated to get into shape ... Crap, this isn't working. Actually, I'm as psyched about this as anybody.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 14, 2014 16:41:28 GMT -5
Your point though is a good one. The fact he's in good shape is great news but it's sad that it's news at all.
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Post by grandsalami on Feb 14, 2014 18:18:46 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 15, 2014 9:33:55 GMT -5
So the team will clearly go with a 12 man staff, the only real questions are will there be trades and who makes the final roster should all be healthy.
Assuming health the rotation is 96% set in stone with:
Lester Buchholz Lackey Doubront Peavy
The pen would have 7 guys. These are pretty much set in stone (baring injury, trade or one completely shitting himself during the spring):
1. Koji (RHP) 2. Taz (RHP) 3. Mujica (RHP) 4. Breslow (LHP) 5. Miller (LHP) 6. Badenhop 7. Dempster
I know there are technically people competing with one another but not really. It seems we pretty much know the deal.
One thing, I hope they really do this year is to hit try to get 32+ starts from each of their top 5 guys. They can benefit from lighter workloads and this team is setup to skip a start here and there or give and extra days rest. Even a "horse" like Lester would benefit from this. He's much better when given a good break mid season. Maybe they should start out the year doing that from the beginning. They play 26 games in 28 days to start the year maybe it makes sense to let Dempster snag 2 starts during that stretch to give the rotation an extra day twice in the first month. Injury prevention or just general maintenance measures could help jeep the guys stronger and more effective. Normally,you don't want to shift starts from your better starters but if you have the depth use it. Maybe it's a step down for that start, but the guys are better in their others to balance it.
Slow season...
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Post by mattpicard on Feb 15, 2014 12:04:38 GMT -5
One thing, I hope they really do this year is to hit try to get 32+ starts from each of their top 5 guys. They can benefit from lighter workloads and this team is setup to skip a start here and there or give and extra days rest. Even a "horse" like Lester would benefit from this. He's much better when given a good break mid season. Maybe they should start out the year doing that from the beginning. They play 26 games in 28 days to start the year maybe it makes sense to let Dempster snag 2 starts during that stretch to give the rotation an extra day twice in the first month. Injury prevention or just general maintenance measures could help jeep the guys stronger and more effective. Normally,you don't want to shift starts from your better starters but if you have the depth use it. Maybe it's a step down for that start, but the guys are better in their others to balance it. Slow season... So you do or do not want the five starters going 32+ starts? Because 32 starts on the dot for them covers 160 of 162 games, but you seem to want to fit in a good amount of rest for them where possible. Also, in general, any team would probably want their five starters to go 32+ starts -- it just almost never works out that way due to injury or performance issues. EDIT: Is that "hit" supposed to be a "not"? If so, then disregard my question.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 15, 2014 12:32:00 GMT -5
It was a typo... Hit = not... Very sorry... Love proboards but has me more on my mobile device and I've been sloppy.... Pick it up Rjp
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Post by greatscottcooper on Feb 15, 2014 12:42:03 GMT -5
On average most teams get 25 starts give or take from pitchers other than there top 5 a year. So effectively most teams have 6 starters, I mean not really....but you know what I mean. So some combination of Dempster/Workman/Webster/Wright/Ranaudo/Barnes will get there time in the sun this year. I like our depth, and I think it will show. With the exception of having substantial injuries at the top of our rotation I really don't have any concerns with the pitching this year.
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Post by alnipper on Feb 15, 2014 13:29:14 GMT -5
I find it ironic that Jake Peavy wants drew back, but he may be the one to get traded to afford signing Drew.
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Post by highcheeseandtaters on Feb 15, 2014 13:54:44 GMT -5
On average most teams get 25 starts give or take from pitchers other than there top 5 a year. So effectively most teams have 6 starters, I mean not really....but you know what I mean. So some combination of Dempster/Workman/Webster/Wright/Ranaudo/Barnes will get there time in the sun this year. I like our depth, and I think it will show. With the exception of having substantial injuries at the top of our rotation I really don't have any concerns with the pitching this year. I think the last thing we would want is 30+ starts from all 5... if we make it into the playoffs it may be via play-in game, or wild card. With the exception of Lester, I think the staff would be gassed. Bucholz has not proven to be durable enough to carry that load, I just want him to stay healthy, and 200+ innings seems remote for a guy with his injury profile and build. Peavy, he's another I'd be concerned about with respect to how much he has left in the tank. I cant see him making 30 starts and being effective down the stretch or playoffs. It will be interesting to see how they use Dempster (provided he's not packaged and sent off at some point) as well as Workman, Webster, et al. Of interest to me, who (if anyone) makes the biggest strides and forces their way into the rotation or pen from Pawtucket, or from Portland to Pawtucket.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 15, 2014 14:39:24 GMT -5
On average most teams get 25 starts give or take from pitchers other than there top 5 a year. So effectively most teams have 6 starters, I mean not really....but you know what I mean. So some combination of Dempster/Workman/Webster/Wright/Ranaudo/Barnes will get there time in the sun this year. I like our depth, and I think it will show. With the exception of having substantial injuries at the top of our rotation I really don't have any concerns with the pitching this year. I think the last thing we would want is 30+ starts from all 5... if we make it into the playoffs it may be via play-in game, or wild card. With the exception of Lester, I think the staff would be gassed. Bucholz has not proven to be durable enough to carry that load, I just want him to stay healthy, and 200+ innings seems remote for a guy with his injury profile and build. Peavy, he's another I'd be concerned about with respect to how much he has left in the tank. I cant see him making 30 starts and being effective down the stretch or playoffs. It will be interesting to see how they use Dempster (provided he's not packaged and sent off at some point) as well as Workman, Webster, et al. Of interest to me, who (if anyone) makes the biggest strides and forces their way into the rotation or pen from Pawtucket, or from Portland to Pawtucket. But in that scenario, it's a close enough race that the Red Sox aren't going to fool around with spot-starting guys in order to set the staff up for a playoff run. They only way they'd start giving guys extra days off is if they're up fifteen games in mid-august. The reality is that, as long as the Red Sox are in any kind of race, healthy and effective pitchers are going to make all their starts as scheduled. And I don't see any problem with that. It certainly wasn't a problem for Lester or Lackey last year.
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Post by sarasoxer on Feb 15, 2014 18:08:44 GMT -5
Traveled from Sarasota this early a.m. on a whim...hoping to catch a glimpse. Unhappily that is all I got as the fields will not be open until Monday. Still I did see Doubront and from 50 feet thru chain-link, he looks very "cut". He is very broad-shouldered. I also saw Watanabe throw submariner floaters. Damn....I wanted to grab a bat! Breslow is a bit taller than I envisioned. Miller was throwing too, replete with long beard. In fact I would say that the beard is still the dress uni for most at this stage...perhaps something of a hangover.
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Post by templeusox on Feb 15, 2014 19:34:33 GMT -5
Congratulations to the Greenville Drive for getting a shoutout in the new season of House of Cards.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 15, 2014 19:44:30 GMT -5
Congratulations to the Greenville Drive for getting a shoutout in the new season of House of Cards. What is House Of Cards ??
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Post by chavopepe2 on Feb 15, 2014 20:11:12 GMT -5
Google it.
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