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2014 Official Spring Training Thread
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Post by grandsalami on Mar 28, 2014 0:08:28 GMT -5
I think we hear a lester extension by sat
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Post by mredsox89 on Mar 28, 2014 0:48:55 GMT -5
Even with the Vitek pick amounting to nothing, that draft still has the chance to provide huge returns for the Sox
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 28, 2014 7:04:54 GMT -5
. Middlebrooks having another great game... I hope he quiets his critics this season! Him and Xander have been on fire, even the outs are loud. Also according to tweeters, Grady's double would have been a HR in Fenway. They played in jet blue park which has the same dimensions as Fenway....
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 28, 2014 7:12:48 GMT -5
So Bradley's swing is a mess and Sizemore has looked good, just played his 4th straight and will play number 5 today and some people still want JBjr to figure to start in the majors over Sizemore. Bradley needs everyday ABs and continued development time. The three major questions in my mind are:
Who's better prepared to help the Sox win games now Sizemore or Bradley
Is Bradley better off developing with everyday ABs under intense pressure in Boston or with lower pressure in Pawtucket?
If both answers conflict then which is more important and what out weighs the other?
I think the first answer is Sizemore, followed by very debatable but where he's at now at least a few weeks in AAA makes a lot of sense. Which makes the third answer to start the year, number one out weighs number 2.
Bradley and Sizemore both need regular ABs early and this is best way to do it. Having both on the team right away does more to hurt longer term value of both to the team then it helps.
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Post by jimoh on Mar 28, 2014 7:17:46 GMT -5
Coming back from a trip. Listening to XM Radio and the Sox game. Mike Hazen being interviewed over multiple innings by the radio team. Lots of good stuff about Sizemore, Bradley, the pitching staff. Here's the transcript fullcount.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/2014/03/28/red-sox-assistant-general-manager-mike-hazen-talks-grady-sizemore-decision/#more-69780This was interesting, on his speed getting to 1b: "HOW FAST? Pretty good. He’s probably down a tick from where he was — understandably, given what he’s gone through physically. We’ve gotten him 4.2 down the line. ‘?¦ For a left-handed hitter, around there, maybe 4.3. So he’s probably right around average, maybe still a tick above depending how he gets out of the box. He gets out of the box decent. But underway, he’s been very good as well. You’ve seen some of the explosive plays." That's not very fast; I assume he was much faster in the old days. Cf. www.fangraphs.com/blogs/a-small-assortment-of-batter-times-to-first/ (Brett Gardner 3.9, Carl Crawford a tiny bot slower) Added: historical info, some of it probably shaky: wiki.answers.com/Q/What_was_the_fastest_time_by_a_MLB_player_running_to_first_base
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Post by michael on Mar 28, 2014 7:54:17 GMT -5
. Him and Xander have been on fire, even the outs are loud. Also according to tweeters, Grady's double would have been a HR in Fenway. They played in jet blue park which has the same dimensions as Fenway.... Nay the wall at JBP is six feet higher. Sizemores drive Hit that extra bit of tin.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 28, 2014 7:54:18 GMT -5
. Him and Xander have been on fire, even the outs are loud. Also according to tweeters, Grady's double would have been a HR in Fenway. They played in jet blue park which has the same dimensions as Fenway.... The wall in Jet Blue is a few feet taller to accommodate the middle seating. It must have hit at the top of the wall.
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Post by sarasoxer on Mar 28, 2014 8:02:32 GMT -5
They played in jet blue park which has the same dimensions as Fenway.... Nay the wall at JBP is six feet higher. Sizemores drive Hit that extra bit of tin. Boy, you were fast with the reply! When I took the tour of jetBlue just prior to the first spring games there a few years ago, the tour guide explained that the wall was 6 feet higher than Fenway. I don't know where Sizemore's ball hit but having stood on top of the wall at its junction with that in center, I can say that it is a damned 'mile' looking back to homeplate. It is hard to imagine a human hitting a ball that far. The guide did not have an answer as to why, the Sox being so meticulous, the wall height was not duplicated. I suspect though, engineers being what they are, that it was done to accommodate the 'in-the-wall' seats.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 28, 2014 8:03:10 GMT -5
Coming back from a trip. Listening to XM Radio and the Sox game. Mike Hazen being interviewed over multiple innings by the radio team. Lots of good stuff about Sizemore, Bradley, the pitching staff. Here's the transcript fullcount.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/2014/03/28/red-sox-assistant-general-manager-mike-hazen-talks-grady-sizemore-decision/#more-69780This was interesting, on his speed getting to 1b: "HOW FAST? Pretty good. He’s probably down a tick from where he was — understandably, given what he’s gone through physically. We’ve gotten him 4.2 down the line. ‘?¦ For a left-handed hitter, around there, maybe 4.3. So he’s probably right around average, maybe still a tick above depending how he gets out of the box. He gets out of the box decent. But underway, he’s been very good as well. You’ve seen some of the explosive plays." That's not very fast; I assume he was much faster in the old days. Cf. www.fangraphs.com/blogs/a-small-assortment-of-batter-times-to-first/ (Brett Gardner 3.9, Carl Crawford a tiny bot slower) Added: historical info, some of it probably shaky: wiki.answers.com/Q/What_was_the_fastest_time_by_a_MLB_player_running_to_first_baseHome Plate to First Base (Right-Handed Hitters) 20: 4.7+ seconds 30: 4.5-4.7 seconds 40: 4.4 seconds 50: 4.3 seconds 60: 4.2 seconds 70: 4.1 seconds 80: Below 4 seconds Home Plate to First Base (Left-Handed Hitters) 20: 4.6+ seconds 30: 4.5-4.6 seconds 40: 4.4 seconds 50: 4.2-4.3 seconds 60: 4.1 seconds 70: 4 seconds 80: Below 4 seconds That makes him on the high end of 50, maybe 55. Grady used to time at 4.14, a 60. When Ellsbury first came to the majors, he was 4.05 but he's likely 4.10 ish now.
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Post by godot on Mar 28, 2014 8:17:39 GMT -5
Interesting fact about Ellsbury's time to first, at least for me. It exp plains why he did not seem to beat out as many infield hits as he once did.
Looks like today's game is on TV. Noticed that Sizemore was not in the lineup, according the lineup in the Globe. Is he playing in a minor legume game or just a day off? Hard to believe it is next week, yeah
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 28, 2014 8:21:21 GMT -5
Interesting fact about Ellsbury's time to first, at least for me. It exp plains why he did not seem to beat out as many infield hits as he once did. Looks like today's game is on TV. Noticed that Sizemore was not in the lineup, according the lineup in the Globe. Is he playing in a minor legume game or just a day off? Hard to believe it is next week, yeah Scheduled day off. He's played five games in the last six days. . . . . Alex Speier ?@alexspeier 3m Cordero says he's been offered a spot in Triple-A. He's talking to his agent to figure out if he'll accept or if a major lg oppty exists
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Post by jmei on Mar 28, 2014 9:10:17 GMT -5
Interesting fact about Ellsbury's time to first, at least for me. It exp plains why he did not seem to beat out as many infield hits as he once did Ellsbury's swing always made him fall off towards 3B, which had his momentum going in the wrong direction and made him slower to first than his raw speed would suggest.
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Post by okin15 on Mar 28, 2014 9:16:25 GMT -5
Noticed that Sizemore was not in the lineup, according the lineup in the Globe. Is he playing in a minor legume game or just a day off? Hard to believe it is next week, yeah Scheduled day off. He's played five games in the last six days. I saw a report saying he played 4 in a row, but I thought it was 3. Did he play in a minors game on Monday?
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Post by okin15 on Mar 28, 2014 9:18:26 GMT -5
the wall was 6 feet higher than Fenway. The guide did not have an answer as to why, the Sox being so meticulous, the wall height was not duplicated. I suspect though, engineers being what they are, that it was done to accommodate the 'in-the-wall' seats. I still don't understand why they didn't make the whole wall out of green glass and put several tiers of seats behind it. That woulda been so cool!!
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 28, 2014 9:24:57 GMT -5
Interesting fact about Ellsbury's time to first, at least for me. It exp plains why he did not seem to beat out as many infield hits as he once did Ellsbury's swing always made him fall off towards 3B, which had his momentum going in the wrong direction and made him slower to first than his raw speed would suggest. Anyone remember who supposedly was just as fast as Ellsbury coming up the prospect ladder ??
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 28, 2014 9:27:12 GMT -5
Scheduled day off. He's played five games in the last six days. I saw a report saying he played 4 in a row, but I thought it was 3. Did he play in a minors game on Monday? He played for Pawtucket Saturday then Boston Sunday, off Monday then Boston Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday. Today was scheduled off and is also why Farrell is announcing the Grady/JBJ later today. . . . . Gordon Edes ?@gordonedes 7m Francisco Cordero on whether he'll go to minors: "I don’t know if I can handle it, you know.''
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Post by steveofbradenton on Mar 28, 2014 10:00:22 GMT -5
Ellsbury's swing always made him fall off towards 3B, which had his momentum going in the wrong direction and made him slower to first than his raw speed would suggest. Anyone remember who supposedly was just as fast as Ellsbury coming up the prospect ladder ?? Possibly not what you are looking for, but Clay Buchholz was (is).
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 28, 2014 10:03:46 GMT -5
Anyone remember who supposedly was just as fast as Ellsbury coming up the prospect ladder ?? Possibly not what you are looking for, but Clay Buchholz was (is). You got it. A bit of trivia that I'm guessing a lot of people don't know. . . . . Brian MacPherson ?@brianmacp 4m John Farrell names Grady Sizemore his center fielder. Jackie Bradley Jr. will be optioned to Pawtucket.Maureen Mullen ?@maureenamullen 7m New #RedSox lineup: Victorino CF, Herrera 2B, Pierzynski C, Napoli DH, Gomes LF, Carp 1B, Bogaerts SS, Middlebrooks 3B, Brown RF, Doubront P
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Post by ibsmith85 on Mar 28, 2014 10:34:25 GMT -5
Possibly not what you are looking for, but Clay Buchholz was (is). You got it. A bit of trivia that I'm guessing a lot of people don't know. It was talked about quite a bit a few years back, enough so that Francona even used him as a pinchrunner, and it was a disaster (not because of his speed), I believe it was against Texas a few years back. I remember reading something about him racing a Phillies prospect once, and when asked about racing Ellsbury, he was told he'd be fined if he raced him. LinkBase running blunder
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Post by godot on Mar 28, 2014 10:51:22 GMT -5
Bradley to AAA. They know what they are doing, and the "right" move, but it could get interesting and entertaining.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Mar 28, 2014 10:59:23 GMT -5
Bradley to AAA. They know what they are doing, and the "right" move, but it could get interesting and entertaining. Two flavors of risk here: - Sizemore's health
- The team's defensive metrics
There will be a tradeoff between keeping him healthy, keeping Victorino in good shape, and suffering the consequences of the marginal defense from defenders such as Nava. Let's see how they try to balance that equation.
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Post by ramireja on Mar 28, 2014 11:16:46 GMT -5
Thus far, Bradley has always seemed to keep a clear and rational head on his shoulders. I hope and believe that he understands why he's being sent down to Triple-A for the time being. Also, hopefully he realizes that starting the year in Triple-A absolutely does not reflect his importance to the team this year. I'd still guess that he receives 400 plates appearances in the majors.
I've got to say....when we signed Sizemore initially I would have predicted the chances of him making the 25-man out of spring training at about 5%. Let's keep our fingers crossed that we get some production out of Sizemore. What a crazy turnaround that would be given Jacoby's signing with the empire.
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Post by godot on Mar 28, 2014 11:26:45 GMT -5
Bradley to AAA. They know what they are doing, and the "right" move, but it could get interesting and entertaining. Two flavors of risk here: - Sizemore's health
- The team's defensive metrics
There will be a tradeoff between keeping him healthy, keeping Victorino in good shape, and suffering the consequences of the marginal defense from defenders such as Nava. Let's see how they try to balance that equation. It is just too damm hard to predict their health, just is. If you by past and recent( Shane) history, you may believe otherwise, but sometimes the past is just that, nothing more.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Mar 28, 2014 11:44:12 GMT -5
Two flavors of risk here: - Sizemore's health
- The team's defensive metrics
There will be a tradeoff between keeping him healthy, keeping Victorino in good shape, and suffering the consequences of the marginal defense from defenders such as Nava. Let's see how they try to balance that equation. It is just too damm hard to predict their health, just is. If you by past and recent( Shane) history, you may believe otherwise, but sometimes the past is just that, nothing more. Absolutely. But it doesn't mean the risk doesn't exist, it just means you can't easily use it to assign a fixed value to the player's performance. Health risk is a discontinuity in that valuation: the moment before the injury the player has one value, the moment after he has a different value, one that reflects the type of injury. There's no elegant solution to that problem short of gathering a basketful of statistics and then assiginging a bunch of conditional probatilities (the probability of one event given another which itself has a probaility distribution). Example: the probability of this performance given that injury. That's not easy.
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Post by ray88h66 on Mar 28, 2014 12:03:33 GMT -5
Bradley optioned to Paw Sox per NESN.
Sorry, didn't read the above posts. Congrats to Sizemore making the team. Hope his remarkable return goes on strong.
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