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2014 Official Spring Training Thread
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Post by soxcentral on Mar 28, 2014 12:05:51 GMT -5
Bradley to AAA. They know what they are doing, and the "right" move, but it could get interesting and entertaining. In the long run I fully believe in JBJ's ability to be an excellent major leaguer, just not yet. I was a big proponent of re-signing Ellsbury this off-season so Bradley could get another year of AAA. This is the best of both worlds, because we all know he'll be up at some point with the injury histories of our OF'ers but he gets time to ease in to the season where he likely will end it as an established part of the Boston roster.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Mar 28, 2014 12:08:38 GMT -5
Matt Barnes is starting for Pawtucket according to their Tweeter.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 28, 2014 13:35:15 GMT -5
I really really hate JBJ not on the roster over Carp. We need a backup CF/RF a lot more than a 3rd string LF/backup 1B and backup DH.
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Post by James Dunne on Mar 28, 2014 13:43:59 GMT -5
But they can call up Bradley tomorrow, at any time. If they lose Carp, they lose him totally. The advantage of Bradley over Carp on the roster isn't worth not being able to get Carp back.
That said, if Bradley is still in Triple-A when the Sox make their first west coast swing, I hope they carry Bradley in lieu of a 12th pitcher.
EDIT: Also, I want Bradley playing every day. They're going to need him at some point this year, and he needs reps to get to where he can be a major league starter.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Mar 28, 2014 14:03:14 GMT -5
Did Britton make the roster over workman? Or am I reading this wrong?
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Post by joshv02 on Mar 28, 2014 14:15:50 GMT -5
That said, if Bradley is still in Triple-A when the Sox make their first west coast swing, I hope they carry Bradley in lieu of a 12th pitcher. You can always bring him but not activate him unless needed. It is a waste of development time, but, if needed, perfect appropriate.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 28, 2014 14:18:20 GMT -5
But they can call up Bradley tomorrow, at any time. If they lose Carp, they lose him totally. The advantage of Bradley over Carp on the roster isn't worth not being able to get Carp back. That said, if Bradley is still in Triple-A when the Sox make their first west coast swing, I hope they carry Bradley in lieu of a 12th pitcher. EDIT: Also, I want Bradley playing every day. They're going to need him at some point this year, and he needs reps to get to where he can be a major league starter. Look at it this way. Give Sizemore a first baseman's mitt and he's better than Carp at everything and should be just fine taking those 330 PA. Not that he'd play 1B, but Nava could take some games from Napoli to rest him against tough RHP. And then a Sizemore/JBJ/Victorino outfield in a place like Oakland or even Yankee Stadium? I'm just going out on a limb when saying that I don't want a Gomes/Sizemore/Nava OF in Yankee Stadium facing CC Sabathia. Or worse, a Carp/Nava/Gomes OF. And I understand the thing about losing the depth of Carp. But keeping that depth is at the expense of having the best 25-man roster. I hope it doesn't cost us a couple games and that is the difference between winning the division and the wild card.
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Post by amfox1 on Mar 28, 2014 14:41:12 GMT -5
CBM released, per his twitter. Minor league cut day is here.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Mar 28, 2014 14:44:53 GMT -5
Woah Manuel Margot got an AB. He can fly.
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Post by grandsalami on Mar 28, 2014 16:26:55 GMT -5
FORT MYERS, Fla. — One of the most polished hitters in the Red Sox farm system will open the season one rung shy of the major leagues. While the Red Sox in past years have sent similar players to Double-A Portland for the first month of the season, Garin Cecchini will start the season playing third base at Triple-A Pawtucket. Cecchini last season hit .322 with a .443 on-base percentage and .471 slugging percentage in more than 550 plate appearances split between High-A Salem and Double-A Portland. He’ll join Jackie Bradley Jr., Bryce Brentz, Alex Hassan and Ryan Lavarnway in a PawSox lineup well-stocked with polished hitters. With Brandon Workman likely to win the last spot in the Red Sox bullpen on Opening Day, Rubby De La Rosa, Anthony Ranaudo and Allen Webster figure to headline the PawSox starting rotation. Shoulder soreness has limited Matt Barnes this spring; he’ll stay back in Fort Myers when the rest of the team heads north. www.providencejournal.com/sports/content/20140328-with-cecchini-and-bradley-pawsox-roster-taking-shape.ece
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Post by GyIantosca on Mar 28, 2014 17:33:07 GMT -5
Maybe a little protection with WMB. You kep Cecchini one level lower. He can handle it.
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Post by soxfan1615 on Mar 28, 2014 18:03:41 GMT -5
But they can call up Bradley tomorrow, at any time. If they lose Carp, they lose him totally. The advantage of Bradley over Carp on the roster isn't worth not being able to get Carp back. That said, if Bradley is still in Triple-A when the Sox make their first west coast swing, I hope they carry Bradley in lieu of a 12th pitcher. EDIT: Also, I want Bradley playing every day. They're going to need him at some point this year, and he needs reps to get to where he can be a major league starter. Look at it this way. Give Sizemore a first baseman's mitt and he's better than Carp at everything and should be just fine taking those 330 PA. Not that he'd play 1B, but Nava could take some games from Napoli to rest him against tough RHP. And then a Sizemore/JBJ/Victorino outfield in a place like Oakland or even Yankee Stadium? I'm just going out on a limb when saying that I don't want a Gomes/Sizemore/Nava OF in Yankee Stadium facing CC Sabathia. Or worse, a Carp/Nava/Gomes OF. And I understand the thing about losing the depth of Carp. But keeping that depth is at the expense of having the best 25-man roster. I hope it doesn't cost us a couple games and that is the difference between winning the division and the wild card. Better than Carp at everything? How about, you know, hitting, the most important thing for a first baseman
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Mar 28, 2014 18:36:10 GMT -5
But they can call up Bradley tomorrow, at any time. If they lose Carp, they lose him totally. The advantage of Bradley over Carp on the roster isn't worth not being able to get Carp back. That said, if Bradley is still in Triple-A when the Sox make their first west coast swing, I hope they carry Bradley in lieu of a 12th pitcher. EDIT: Also, I want Bradley playing every day. They're going to need him at some point this year, and he needs reps to get to where he can be a major league starter. Look at it this way. Give Sizemore a first baseman's mitt and he's better than Carp at everything and should be just fine taking those 330 PA. Not that he'd play 1B, but Nava could take some games from Napoli to rest him against tough RHP. And then a Sizemore/JBJ/Victorino outfield in a place like Oakland or even Yankee Stadium? I'm just going out on a limb when saying that I don't want a Gomes/Sizemore/Nava OF in Yankee Stadium facing CC Sabathia. Or worse, a Carp/Nava/Gomes OF. And I understand the thing about losing the depth of Carp. But keeping that depth is at the expense of having the best 25-man roster. I hope it doesn't cost us a couple games and that is the difference between winning the division and the wild card. At the expense of having the best 25 man (arguably) on day one. But given the inevitability of injuries, keeping max depth gives you the best 25 man over 162+ games.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 28, 2014 19:37:41 GMT -5
The Red Sox regular season record last year was 97-65 for a winning % of .599.
There were 50 games where Nava played right field and only right field. The Red Sox were 30-20 in those games for a winning % of .600. Virtually, the exact same winning % as when he didn't play right field. I think it's fair to say that if Nava was playing right field it was due to an injured lineup so it was a worse lineup than normal, yet they still managed the same exact winning percentage.
There was a stretch from May 17 - May 30 where the Sox had 14 straight games, 13 of which Nava started in RF and they went 9-4. It was a relatively weak schedule (@minn, @ CWS, vs CLE, vs PHI) , but results are results.
There were 2 games where Nava PH then played RF and they were 0-2 in those games. He only got the one plate appearance in each game so they are probably meaningless.
There were 12 games in which he played both LF and RF and the team was 7-5 in those games.
There were 4 games where he played 1b and RF and they were 2-2 in those games.
Really the only games that really matter for this exercise are the 50 games he truly played RF and the team wasn't any worse off record wise during this 50 game period.
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Post by ray88h66 on Mar 28, 2014 20:06:21 GMT -5
The Red Sox regular season record last year was 97-65 for a winning % of .599. There were 50 games where Nava played right field and only right field. The Red Sox were 30-20 in those games for a winning % of .600. Virtually, the exact same winning % as when he didn't play right field. I think it's fair to say that if Nava was playing right field it was due to an injured lineup so it was a worse lineup than normal, yet they still managed the same exact winning percentage. There was a stretch from May 17 - May 30 where the Sox had 14 straight games, 13 of which Nava started in RF and they went 9-4. It was a relatively weak schedule (@minn, @ CWS, vs CLE, vs PHI) , but results are results. There were 2 games where Nava PH then played RF and they were 0-2 in those games. He only got the one plate appearance in each game so they are probably meaningless. There were 12 games in which he played both LF and RF and the team was 7-5 in those games. There were 4 games where he played 1b and RF and they were 2-2 in those games. Really the only games that really matter for this exercise are the 50 games he truly played RF and the team wasn't any worse off record wise during this 50 game period. Good stuff. And Nava taking reps in cf is for in game injury or late inning rest for games already out of hand, one way or the other. Common sense won't stop the fear though. JBJ wasn't sent to Mars.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 28, 2014 20:20:55 GMT -5
Gordon Edes ?@gordonedes 2h Britton, Lavarnway optioned to Pawtucket
I believe that leaves Workman and Layne the two remaining for the last slot.
The last pitcher may not be as obvious as one would think at a quick glance. With Barnes and Wright on the shelf and with a healthy starting five and long man, the Sox may elect to send Workman to Pawtucket to keep him stretched as a starter. It's not like as if Doubront has been lights out. He was pretty much walking a tightrope all day long today. Keeping Workman at Pawtucket could easily pay dividends in the near future. Layne can pitch multiple innings which is ultimately what Farrell said he wanted for that slot.
If I remember correctly, Breslow can come off the DL April 5. (Note: I still think Workman is the most likely keeper though). . . . Red Sox Stats ?@redsoxstats 7h
Edits to the Sox 40-man roster: Ortiz 6'4" 250 -> 6'4" 230 Bogaerts 6'3" 185 -> 6'1" 210 Victorino S/R -> R/R
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Post by hsc85 on Mar 28, 2014 21:39:40 GMT -5
Farrell has done everything that he can to not have to use Bradley in CF. He will always be more comfortable with the veteran. His best buddy Gomes recruited Sizemore to the Red Sox. Sizemore was always going to be the choice if he was at all healthy. If they wanted Bradley on the roster they would have made a move as discussed. If Sizemore goes down I would not be surprised if the Red Sox trade for a CF. Again I go with the thought that if they wanted Bradley on the roster the opportunity was there this spring. So they saw something that determined that he could not help them. Farrell determined that Nava in CF or RF or an outfield of Gomes, Nava, Carp is preferable to having Bradley in the OF.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Mar 28, 2014 22:04:28 GMT -5
You'll want to read Hazen's stuff linked to above. He may be an inveterate liar - I still can't pick all of them out - but he convinced me. I don't believe that Farrell calls all the shots anymore that I think there's a front office cabal exerting sinister control. In other words, they'll call up Bradley as soon as they need him. Hopefully that won't have to be too soon.
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Post by James Dunne on Mar 28, 2014 22:07:26 GMT -5
The idea that Farrell or the Red Sox are unwilling to give Bradley a shot because they don't like to play young players is pretty suspect considering that they started him on opening day last season when he'd never even played in Triple-A.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Mar 28, 2014 22:14:13 GMT -5
And have a 21 y/o SS. There is always something to b about so.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Mar 29, 2014 1:16:25 GMT -5
I think the Sox had every intention of starting JBJ. Sizemore was brought in with low expectations, but the current situation has changed things. To date, Sizemore has been a best case scenario...to date, and considering the talent Sizemore is it's pretty much a no brainer. JBJ still has a future with this team, and is likely the first guy called up when any of Nava/Sizemore/VIC go down.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 29, 2014 2:56:48 GMT -5
Perspective. Sizemore has a tremendous upside but in the worst case scenario, they are no worse off than the day before they signed him.
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Post by bjb406 on Mar 29, 2014 4:05:10 GMT -5
this is the second straight year the red sox overreact to a spring training performance by Jackie Bradley
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 29, 2014 4:26:59 GMT -5
this is the second straight year the red sox overreact to a spring training performance by Jackie Bradley This is the second straight year posters make stupid statements about the implications of a spring training performance by Jackie Bradley.
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Post by jimoh on Mar 29, 2014 5:59:21 GMT -5
The Red Sox regular season record last year was 97-65 for a winning % of .599. There were 50 games where Nava played right field and only right field. The Red Sox were 30-20 in those games for a winning % of .600. Virtually, the exact same winning % as when he didn't play right field. I think it's fair to say that if Nava was playing right field it was due to an injured lineup so it was a worse lineup than normal, yet they still managed the same exact winning percentage. There was a stretch from May 17 - May 30 where the Sox had 14 straight games, 13 of which Nava started in RF and they went 9-4. It was a relatively weak schedule (@minn, @ CWS, vs CLE, vs PHI) , but results are results. There were 2 games where Nava PH then played RF and they were 0-2 in those games. He only got the one plate appearance in each game so they are probably meaningless. There were 12 games in which he played both LF and RF and the team was 7-5 in those games. There were 4 games where he played 1b and RF and they were 2-2 in those games. Really the only games that really matter for this exercise are the 50 games he truly played RF and the team wasn't any worse off record wise during this 50 game period. Wow, great new stat! "Right-fielder wins." Should sweep through the stat world.
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