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steveofbradenton
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Post by steveofbradenton on Sept 23, 2012 11:04:31 GMT -5
Morales, K LAA 1B 124 449 57 124 22 1 21 69 Morneau, J MIN 1B 127 478 59 131 26 2 19 76 Napoli, M TEX C 97 316 47 72 8 2 19 45 Youkilis, K CWS 3B 113 401 68 92 14 2 19 59 Hosmer, E KC 1B 147 520 65 124 22 2 14 61 Smoak, J SEA 1B 122 448 42 94 12 0 16 45 Davis, I NYM 1B 145 482 59 109 23 0 28 83 LaRoche, A WSH 1B 144 534 70 145 31 1 32 98
By no means are these the only guys that could potentially play first for us next year, but they are some of the leading candidates. I did not put Trumbo, A. Gordon, Billy Butler, and a few others on here, but they could be in play.
We definitely have a need for someone, but with who we have already on the current roster: I would much rather use Gomez over someone like Loney. Loney, for me, should never be considered.....but it has been a strange year.
I think LaRoche will be re-signed by the Nats or over-price himself. I think the Mets will come to their senses (?) and not move Ike Davis. I like both of them and especially Hosmer, but really not sure we will go that far. Kansas City definitely has an over-load of 1st basemen, but it would come to the cost in prospects.
I guess bringing back Youk back for a year until Travis Shaw or another player is we like becomes available....not real enthused.
Morneau and Morales are not the players they were several years ago because of some freak injuries and may never be, but I think either should be available for less of a cost. Both of their teams have redundancy at 1st. Pujols is not going anywhere (St. Louis are fortunate not to have tied him up for so many years) and they have Trumbo. Mauer will be playing 1st more and more in Minnesota making Morneau VERY available.
What do you think?
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Post by remember04 on Sept 23, 2012 12:14:25 GMT -5
For next year anyway I say give it to Gomez and I hear Shaws name come up at first for the future but does anybody REALISTICALLY think he can do it? Take into account his ceiling then the probability of him getting there and I see him as a second level chip in a future trade. In reality I see us trading for a young guy in a deal similar to the Bailey one. Its a shame that went down because Miles Head would've been great and he was the one player I didn't want to see go in that trade.
FYI can you adjust your numbers and show what they represent so its easier to follow?
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Post by ray88h66 on Sept 23, 2012 12:29:38 GMT -5
Good question Steve. I'm not sure where we go. Just one of the many holes to fill.
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Post by jdb on Sept 23, 2012 13:09:49 GMT -5
I think the Nats let Laroch walk and go after a CF and move Morse to 1B. The thing that worries me about a Gomez platoon is he can't play another position. How would a Gomez/Looney platoon effect the roster assuming Ortiz is on it also. 3 guys that can only play one position. To me Sands is a better option bc he can play LF also.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 23, 2012 14:16:43 GMT -5
Bobby V, at least, has suggested that Gomez should play some LF to gain some versatility. B-Mac in the ProJo: Link
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Post by sibbysisti on Sept 23, 2012 15:44:19 GMT -5
Morales, K LAA 1B 124 449 57 124 22 1 21 69 Morneau, J MIN 1B 127 478 59 131 26 2 19 76 Napoli, M TEX C 97 316 47 72 8 2 19 45 Youkilis, K CWS 3B 113 401 68 92 14 2 19 59 Hosmer, E KC 1B 147 520 65 124 22 2 14 61 Smoak, J SEA 1B 122 448 42 94 12 0 16 45 Davis, I NYM 1B 145 482 59 109 23 0 28 83 LaRoche, A WSH 1B 144 534 70 145 31 1 32 98 By no means are these the only guys that could potentially play first for us next year, but they are some of the leading candidates. I did not put Trumbo, A. Gordon, Billy Butler, and a few others on here, but they could be in play. We definitely have a need for someone, but with who we have already on the current roster: I would much rather use Gomez over someone like Loney. Loney, for me, should never be considered.....but it has been a strange year. I think LaRoche will be re-signed by the Nats or over-price himself. I think the Mets will come to their senses (?) and not move Ike Davis. I like both of them and especially Hosmer, but really not sure we will go that far. Kansas City definitely has an over-load of 1st basemen, but it would come to the cost in prospects. I guess bringing back Youk back for a year until Travis Shaw or another player is we like becomes available....not real enthused. Morneau and Morales are not the players they were several years ago because of some freak injuries and may never be, but I think either should be available for less of a cost. Both of their teams have redundancy at 1st. Pujols is not going anywhere (St. Louis are fortunate not to have tied him up for so many years) and they have Trumbo. Mauer will be playing 1st more and more in Minnesota making Morneau VERY available. What do you think? Surprised you didn't include Sands among your possible 1B solutions. Granted, limited ML experience, but he can hit. Just someone to consider.
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steveofbradenton
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Post by steveofbradenton on Sept 23, 2012 17:29:48 GMT -5
Wonder how the Royals are perceiving Eric Hosmer. Probably still high on him, but you never know until you ask. He has had a real tough year, but love his potential.
I may be looking at this through rose-colored glasses, but finding a 1st baseman and a left-fielder is a lot easier than finding a catcher or a 3rd baseman (as we have some in place).
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 23, 2012 19:56:36 GMT -5
I could see the Royals being willing to listen for Hosmer, but I don't know that the Red Sox are a match. KC would probably want a pitcher in exchange - Workman doesn't get it done, and I can't see Boston parting with Barnes for him.
I could see Morneau being a fit on a one-year deal much along the lines of the one Adrian Beltre got in '10. He's actually had a fairly solid year, save for a miserable June. Overall, he slugged .485 on the road, compared with only .427 at home, which bodes well. I'm biased because I've always been partial to him, but I think it would make sense.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Sept 24, 2012 5:16:11 GMT -5
I think the Nats let Laroch walk and go after a CF and move Morse to 1B. The thing that worries me about a Gomez platoon is he can't play another position. How would a Gomez/Looney platoon effect the roster assuming Ortiz is on it also. 3 guys that can only play one position. To me Sands is a better option bc he can play LF also. I'd love to get Laroche on a 1yr 10m deal. I'd tell the Nats to pick up the option and we'd deal for him. As previous poster mentioned they have Morse to move to 1b. We kind of have a surplus of relievers. Should be able to help them out.
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Post by bentossaurus on Sept 24, 2012 9:28:28 GMT -5
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Post by sibbysisti on Sept 24, 2012 10:43:21 GMT -5
If they're going to hit the Mariners up for a first baseman, I prefer Mike Carp. Same age as Smoak with good power numbers between Seattle and Tacoma: 2011: 33 hr, 110 rbi; .276 ba for Sea; .343 ba for Tacoma 2010: 29 hr, 76 rbi for Tacoma.
Strikeout ratio is high, though.
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alnipper
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Post by alnipper on Sept 24, 2012 10:49:51 GMT -5
Internal options for 2013 and beyond are Kalish, Nava, Gomez, Sands, Lavarnway, Sands, Brentz. Obviously a few of these names won't be ready day one of 2013. I'm right now more concerned about pitching for 2013.
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Post by sibbysisti on Sept 24, 2012 11:00:42 GMT -5
Lavarnway, Brentz and Kalish have not played FB. So it would be a major work in progress to switch them to the infield. Its pretty clear that, for the near future, the team sees Lavarnway as a potential full-time catcher, or at least a platoon with Saltalamacchia. Brentz has, among other things, a strong arm ,which would be wasted at FB. Kalish has all he can do to get healthy in the off season, trengthening his shoulder. He's missed almost two seasons, so he doesn't need to learn a new position. I see Sands as an option and I know you do, too, since you listed him twice. Hope the Sox take a long look at him in ST.
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Post by dmaineah on Sept 24, 2012 12:20:15 GMT -5
Prince Fielder. That's who we need. I'd like to see him acquired without giving up; Pedroia, Middlebrooks, Buchholz, Lester, Doubront, Bailey, Bryce Brentz, Matt Barnes, Allen Webster, De La Rosa, Henry Owens, Brandon Workman, Drake Britton, Anthony Renauldo or Pat Light. If it was absolutely necessary to include a high rated SP Prospect I'd agree to 1 from; Workman, Britton, Renauldo or Light. Maybe after spending all that money in the off season and the experiment with Cabrera at 3B Detroit will be willing to entertain offers for him. The Red Sox could afford him and I think he'd be a great fit in Boston.
I think this is a position along with LF that we will see the Red Sox $pend on in the off season possibly both in terms of $$$ & prospects not only for the position in the field but to also shore up the batting order in the #3 & #4 spot.
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Post by bentossaurus on Sept 24, 2012 12:33:09 GMT -5
If they're going to hit the Mariners up for a first baseman, I prefer Mike Carp. Same age as Smoak with good power numbers between Seattle and Tacoma: 2011: 33 hr, 110 rbi; .276 ba for Sea; .343 ba for Tacoma 2010: 29 hr, 76 rbi for Tacoma. Strikeout ratio is high, though. I'll look up his numbers in more insight, but I'm always weary of PCL numbers.
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Post by sibbysisti on Sept 24, 2012 12:46:23 GMT -5
Prince Fielder. That's who we need. I'd like to see him acquired without giving up; Pedroia, Middlebrooks, Buchholz, Lester, Doubront, Bailey, Bryce Brentz, Matt Barnes, Allen Webster, De La Rosa, Henry Owens, Brandon Workman, Drake Britton, Anthony Renauldo or Pat Light. If it was absolutely necessary to include a high rated SP Prospect I'd agree to 1 from; Workman, Britton, Renauldo or Light. Maybe after spending all that money in the off season and the experiment with Cabrera at 3B Detroit will be willing to entertain offers for him. The Red Sox could afford him and I think he'd be a great fit in Boston. I think this is a position along with LF that we will see the Red Sox $pend on in the off season possibly both in terms of $$$ & prospects not only for the position in the field but to also shore up the batting order in the #3 & #4 spot. So, you'd give up Bogaerts, our top prospect?
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Post by dmaineah on Sept 24, 2012 12:48:44 GMT -5
Yes. Anybody not listed.
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 24, 2012 13:40:36 GMT -5
If it was absolutely necessary to include a high rated SP Prospect I'd agree to 1 from; Workman, Britton, Renauldo or Light. None of those pitchers would make or break getting Prince Fielder. The Tigers signed Fielder with the intention of contending, with him as a centerpiece, for a long time. The fact that you see him as a good fit is nice, but the Tigers would only trade him, I think, if they fire Dombrowski and decide to rebuild completely. I don't think they're at that point, and I also don't see the Red Sox being interested in his contract.
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Post by charliezink16 on Sept 24, 2012 14:19:51 GMT -5
If it was absolutely necessary to include a high rated SP Prospect I'd agree to 1 from; Workman, Britton, Renauldo or Light. Dmaineah, I don't mean to single you out, but it bothers me when people overvalue our prospects and undervalue the price for big time players like Fielder. It would take atleast one of the killer B's, and the players you mention above would be part of the second tier prospects included. Each of the above players have major question marks in their respective games, and could all end up in the pen. Trades like the J Santana and M Cabrera trades are the reason why prospect packages need to be heavy. The Marlins got "sure things" in Andrew Miller and Cameron Maybin, along with top 10 prospects in Eulogio De La Cruz and Dallas Trahern. Look how that worked out. Same goes with the Santana trade. Remember the sure thing Carlos Gomez, and the other prospects (Humber, Guerra, Mulvey) that were top 5 in the system? Sure some prospect trades work out great (B Colon, M Teixiera trades), but the point is, prospects (even sure thing prospects) don't pan out all the time. Workman, Britton, Ranaudo and Light aren't near a top 100 prospect list due to all the questions surrounding them. If we're trading for Prince Fielder (which I'm very against), we need to include legit top prospects, not guys who will most likely end up as mediocre bullpen arms.
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Post by dmaineah on Sept 24, 2012 15:03:21 GMT -5
I agree. The players that I would be willing to give up to get Fielder wouldn't get it done. All I said was that I would like to see it get done without trading away certain players. And I also agree that Detroit would have to be in a position where they want to or need to reduce payroll. More importantly I said that this is position that I believe the Sox will be spending on because they need the Big Bat for the line up. I don't think any of the names I've seen mentioned (Laroche, Smoak, Carp etc..) will help this team. If I was the Red Sox & Detroit was willing to cut payroll & take Bogearts, Bradley, Workman, Lavarnway & Iglesias For Fielder I would make that trade in an instant but if I was Detroit I wouldn't take it I'd be looking for more.
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Post by mainesox on Sept 24, 2012 16:37:16 GMT -5
Fielder is a way worse fit than the first baseman we just traded away, and is on a considerably worse contract.
And you'd seriously be more willing to trade Bogaerts than Brentz?
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nomar
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Post by nomar on Sept 24, 2012 16:54:46 GMT -5
Fielder is a way worse fit than the first baseman we just traded away, and is on a considerably worse contract. And you'd seriously be more willing to trade Bogaerts than Brentz? Haha right, and I dont get where this guy gets the notion Prince Fielder would be available in any way.
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Post by nomar on Sept 24, 2012 16:55:40 GMT -5
A couple more options via trade would be:
Tyler Moore, WAS Matt Adams, STL
Idk if they are a good long term solution either though.
or Mike Olt, but that would have to include Ellsbury.
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Post by dcb26 on Sept 24, 2012 18:27:43 GMT -5
I guess I shouldn't be surprised given the whole point of the thread, but it would be nice if this could be somewhat grounded in reality and not yet another thread that devolves into everybody naming that-guy-they've-always-wanted-to-watch-hit-at-Fenway and then explaining (I'm assuming because this is a prospect site) why said player's .699 wOBA shouldn't cost more than the 3rd best starter in Portland.
Anyway, I'm all for in-house/cheap options next year. I'd rather spend the money/prospects to acquire offense at a more premium position than to try to find the best hitting 1B out there to replace the last best hitting 1B out there that we had.
In the free agent market, Napoli or Swisher make a lot of sense (and damn that hurts, because I can't stand Swisher) but they both have power, OBP, positional flexibility, can hit right handed, and I don't see either one commanding a ton of money - I'm guessing roughly Cody Ross money. If he could be gotten on a 1-yr deal, I'd check out Berkman as well.
I'm not certain though that the Sox wouldn't be better off giving Gomez/Sands/some other Org. guy a shot though.
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steveofbradenton
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Post by steveofbradenton on Sept 24, 2012 18:50:41 GMT -5
This is crazy, I've just thought of this, so here's my answer, then call me maybe (I'm mean crazy). Make a good song.
Many of the moves I would like to see this off-season are SHORT TERM. The player may help us for more than a year or two, but I wouldn't go into signing them thinking that would happen. Sign a rotation guy for 1 or 2 years buy not for longer. The same goes with first base. The cavalry is coming. Reinforcements will be here by the end of 2013 or in 2014.
Here is the crazy part: 1) fire Booby V. 2) sign Kevin Youkilis for one year plus an option
Youk is an excellent 1st baseman (better than at 3rd), will see a lot of pitches driving up pitch counts (we missed that a lot), and could, just possibly, have one more good year in him. I think we could do A LOT worse and he would give us time to look at other options. There is NO way the White Sox will pick up his option!
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