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Post by sibbysisti on Nov 8, 2012 9:16:20 GMT -5
We don't know what the lineup will look like yet. But, from rumors and the names that are mentioned, a left hand hitting 1B would fit in well. The lineup is not overly RH at this point. Ellsbury, Saltalamacchia and Papi all hit left. Moreau is in the last year of his deal. It may not take too much in terms of prospects to acquire him. I like Morales, too. And, if the Halos are looking to move Trumbo to1B, that's a win-win for all concerned.
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Post by okin15 on Nov 8, 2012 11:24:28 GMT -5
If the Sox grabbed Jason Bay on short money, would they consider alternating him and Ortiz at DH with the other playing LF and 1B? Would give you some platoon opportunities with a LF and 1B, and allow guys to rest some.
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Post by pbgallag on Nov 9, 2012 10:41:05 GMT -5
Some intelligent team will get Napoli on a relatively cheap 2-3 year deal, give him 575 AB at 1B, and enjoy the 35-40 HR, 90-100 BB, and 875-900 OPS. I hope that team is the Red Sox.
Some other team will give similar or more dollars to the 4th OF, .700 OPS Cody Ross. I hope that team is not the Red Sox.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Nov 9, 2012 10:47:27 GMT -5
Some intelligent team will get Napoli on a relatively cheap 2-3 year deal, give him 575 AB at 1B, and enjoy the 35-40 HR, 90-100 BB, and 875-900 OPS. I hope that team is the Red Sox. Some other team will give similar or more dollars to the 4th OF, .700 OPS Cody Ross. I hope that team is not the Red Sox. Boy if Napoli can do that....sign me up. But I don't think so really! Agree about Cody Ross. Pass.
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Post by jmei on Nov 9, 2012 10:59:35 GMT -5
Mike Napoli has hit a career 33 HR per 600 PAs. Factor in a little bit of a Fenway bump (he has an ideal swing for Fenway-- lots of high fly balls to left) and it's easy to see a HR total in the high 30s. Factor in a career .356 OBP and I don't see why so many seem to be dismissing him so easily. His defense might be bad at 1B, but he's by far the best offensive 1B available and will likely cost less than LaRoche to boot.
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Post by pbgallag on Nov 9, 2012 11:04:46 GMT -5
No reason that Napoli couldn't do that if playing 1B full time allows him to stay on the field all year.
His production the last two years over 575 AB amounts to:
.275 BA, 43 HR, 91 BB, ~.930 OPS
100 R, 105 RBI for those who care for that.
And not much different over his career.
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Post by remember04 on Nov 9, 2012 14:54:36 GMT -5
Mike Napoli has hit a career 33 HR per 600 PAs. Factor in a little bit of a Fenway bump (he has an ideal swing for Fenway-- lots of high fly balls to left) and it's easy to see a HR total in the high 30s. Factor in a career .356 OBP and I don't see why so many seem to be dismissing him so easily. His defense might be bad at 1B, but he's by far the best offensive 1B available and will likely cost less than LaRoche to boot. As I've said...somewhere Napoli is my favorite of this years class but after the predictions we made with Gonzalez's "Fenway swing" does taking something like that into consideration still count?
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Post by jioh on Nov 9, 2012 15:14:05 GMT -5
Yes, Mike Napoli is a lock to hit better and to hit more hrs in Fenway--just like Adrian Gonzalez.
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Post by sibbysisti on Nov 9, 2012 15:29:14 GMT -5
Mike Napoli has hit a career 33 HR per 600 PAs. Factor in a little bit of a Fenway bump (he has an ideal swing for Fenway-- lots of high fly balls to left) and it's easy to see a HR total in the high 30s. Factor in a career .356 OBP and I don't see why so many seem to be dismissing him so easily. His defense might be bad at 1B, but he's by far the best offensive 1B available and will likely cost less than LaRoche to boot. As I've said...somewhere Napoli is my favorite of this years class but after the predictions we made with Gonzalez's "Fenway swing" does taking something like that into consideration still count? I think the differences between the two is that Gonzo, while left handed, was not a strict pull hitter but was able to reach the wall with his swing, thought not over it as often as we'd like. Napoli, OTOH, is a dead pull hitter with the whole LF wall in his sights when he swings. The dimentions definitely favor Napoli.
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Post by pbgallag on Nov 9, 2012 15:43:39 GMT -5
Adrian Gonzalez no longer drives the ball the way he once he did. Whether he was at Fenway, on the road, in the AL, or in the NL. Had he performed the way he did in San Diego, the home runs would have been there.
But Fenway isn't supposed to increase home runs. It increases BA, doubles, runs. And Napoli doesn't need to add home runs. He has always had 35-40 HR power even when he played half of his games in a pitcher's park. He has power anywhere but at Fenway he would also have BA.
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Post by kindasweaty on Nov 9, 2012 16:15:12 GMT -5
If the Sox grabbed Jason Bay on short money, would they consider alternating him and Ortiz at DH with the other playing LF and 1B? Would give you some platoon opportunities with a LF and 1B, and allow guys to rest some. If Bay is signed as "part of the plan" instead of see what he's got left in Spring Training we as fans are in trouble.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Nov 12, 2012 8:10:50 GMT -5
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Post by jmei on Nov 12, 2012 9:38:22 GMT -5
Mike Napoli has hit a career 33 HR per 600 PAs. Factor in a little bit of a Fenway bump (he has an ideal swing for Fenway-- lots of high fly balls to left) and it's easy to see a HR total in the high 30s. Factor in a career .356 OBP and I don't see why so many seem to be dismissing him so easily. His defense might be bad at 1B, but he's by far the best offensive 1B available and will likely cost less than LaRoche to boot. As I've said...somewhere Napoli is my favorite of this years class but after the predictions we made with Gonzalez's "Fenway swing" does taking something like that into consideration still count? Most of the right-handed pull hitters we've had in recent years have thrived in Fenway. Think Mike Lowell, Kevin Youkilis, Adrian Beltre, Cody Ross.
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Post by bluechip on Nov 12, 2012 9:47:41 GMT -5
The great thing about the David Ross signing is that allows the Red Sox to trade Salty. The Mets just happen to be looking for a catcher, and they have Ike Davis.
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Post by elguapo on Nov 12, 2012 10:04:55 GMT -5
The great thing about the David Ross signing is that allows the Red Sox to trade Salty. The Mets just happen to be looking for a catcher, and they have Ike Davis. Mets may still be a likely destination, but they've reportedly taken Davis off the block.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Nov 12, 2012 10:28:01 GMT -5
Adrian Gonzalez no longer drives the ball the way he once he did. Whether he was at Fenway, on the road, in the AL, or in the NL. Had he performed the way he did in San Diego, the home runs would have been there. But Fenway isn't supposed to increase home runs. It increases BA, doubles, runs. And Napoli doesn't need to add home runs. He has always had 35-40 HR power even when he played half of his games in a pitcher's park. He has power anywhere but at Fenway he would also have BA. Is that true if you look at the park factor just for righty hitters? Edit, found the answer myself: Fenway is basically HR neutral for righties and depressed HRs by about 10% for lefties. www.fangraphs.com/guts.aspx?type=pfh&season=2009&teamid=3
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Post by steveofbradenton on Nov 12, 2012 10:28:04 GMT -5
The great thing about the David Ross signing is that allows the Red Sox to trade Salty. The Mets just happen to be looking for a catcher, and they have Ike Davis. Mets may still be a likely destination, but they've reportedly taken Davis off the block. Yeah......that "darn" Lucas Duda broke his wrist. He was supposedly under consideration to be their 1st baseman instead of Ike. Rumor......heard Ike Davis had Duda's wrist broken by someone named Guido
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Post by James Dunne on Nov 12, 2012 16:52:08 GMT -5
In his nearly two years at Fenway, Gonzalez hit .334/.388/.509. I guess it didn't translate into as many home runs as people hoped, but the idea that Fenway didn't play to his advantage just doesn't add up.
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Post by welovewally on Nov 13, 2012 5:29:54 GMT -5
Most of the right-handed pull hitters we've had in recent years have thrived in Fenway. Think Mike Lowell, Kevin Youkilis, Adrian Beltre, Cody Ross. Could Delmon Young be next as a platoon in LF? Could he transition to 1B?
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Post by raftsox on Nov 13, 2012 8:00:15 GMT -5
Could Delmon Young be next as a platoon in LF? Could he transition to 1B? Is this grounds for banning someone? If I knew how to put a video clip in of Mr. Garrison saying "You go to hell, you go to hell and you die", I would. Seriously though, Delmon Young is a terrible baseball player. I would rather be violated by a burro than have to watch him play for my team.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Nov 13, 2012 8:05:07 GMT -5
Could Delmon Young be next as a platoon in LF? Could he transition to 1B? Is this grounds for banning someone? If I knew how to put a video clip in of Mr. Garrison saying "You go to hell, you go to hell and you die", I would. Seriously though, Delmon Young is a terrible baseball player. I would rather be violated by a burro than have to watch him play for my team. I wish you would be more definite. So you are considering Delmon Young for what role?
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Nov 13, 2012 8:08:19 GMT -5
Delmon Young is categorically unsuited for the roll of "baseball player".
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Post by honkbal on Nov 13, 2012 10:55:40 GMT -5
Fun fangraphs facts for you: In 2006, Delmon Young played 30 games for the Tampa Bay Devil Rays, compiling 0.9 fWAR. In the 6 years since that time, he has played in 850 games and compiled a grand total of -0.1 fWAR.
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Post by jmei on Nov 13, 2012 10:57:32 GMT -5
Fun with statistics: how many ways can you find to show that Delmon Young is a terrible baseball player? If it's less than twenty, you aren't trying hard enough.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 13, 2012 13:37:01 GMT -5
Most of the right-handed pull hitters we've had in recent years have thrived in Fenway. Think Mike Lowell, Kevin Youkilis, Adrian Beltre, Cody Ross. Could Delmon Young be next as a platoon in LF? Could he transition to 1B? I'm surprised you haven't considered him transitioning to SS? Seriously, what's your longing for Delmon Young all about? Do you think his magical 75 RBIs will make the Sox a good team? The guy is an anti-semitic jerk who owns a crappy on-base percentage and a mediocre slugging average who is mediocre in the field. The Tigers were so impressed, they're cutting him loose without a second thought. The only good thing about Young is that he had a great series against the Yankees. Doesn't make him a remotely decent player, though.
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