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Post by mattpicard on Apr 21, 2014 11:10:37 GMT -5
Unless they hit those soft ground balls to players and you have good enough defense to catch foul popups and fly balls to RF. Then you give up 0 hits and you're out of the inning. Except a pitcher with a semblance of "stuff" would be able to miss a bat at some point to break that string. Buchholz has zero stuff right now. Of course he's going to get bitten in the ass by BABIP. Exactly. No real way around it. You think good pitchers in baseball don't have to deal with some hits on the softer side and iffy defense? They don't come out of it with 6 ER allowed saying "well, I should have been fine but got unlucky."
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Post by templeusox on Apr 21, 2014 11:11:03 GMT -5
All the more reason to go with the superior defense. It makes pitchers look better than they are and takes a shitload of stress off the bullpen. They probably have their best possible defense on the field right now, sadly.
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Post by mattpicard on Apr 21, 2014 11:12:40 GMT -5
All the more reason to go with the superior defense. It makes pitchers look better than they are and takes a shitload of stress off the bullpen. They probably have their best possible defense on the field right now, sadly. Except Sizemore should be in RF over Nava.
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Post by templeusox on Apr 21, 2014 11:14:58 GMT -5
Nava has been fine defensively. I can't remember him making a play this year worse than Sizemore completely botching that flyball in CF during Doubront's start. Maybe Sizemore is an uptick, but he's not Shane Victorino and he's definitely not catching that Clevenger double.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 21, 2014 11:15:20 GMT -5
All the more reason to go with the superior defense. It makes pitchers look better than they are and takes a shitload of stress off the bullpen. They probably have their best possible defense on the field right now, sadly. And that's been my complaint since November. Nava should never once be in RF and he shouldn't be facing LHP. This is a terrible mistake in roster construction and using the "we won the WS like this excuse" is no logic at all. In fact, I'll go as far to say that Sizemore was a mistake and people will eventually see it.
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Post by jmei on Apr 21, 2014 11:15:34 GMT -5
The inability to get a swing-and-miss is a legit criticism, as is the fact that he just mailed it in soon after that. The fact that he gave up some ground balls that found a hole is less worthy of scorn. Clearly, he pitched poorly and I'm not saying he doesn't deserve some or even most of the blame. But not all six-run outings are made equally, and this was one of the tamer ones.
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Post by jmei on Apr 21, 2014 11:22:25 GMT -5
In fact, I'll go as far to say that Sizemore was a mistake and people will eventually see it. Yeah, there's no way this is the case.
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Post by templeusox on Apr 21, 2014 11:24:28 GMT -5
You guys know that Sizemore is rated as one of the worst defensive outfielders by two defensive metrics this season? It's obviously a small sample size, but it matches up with observation. He's nearly immobile in the outfield and his injuries have taken a huge toll on the jumps he gets.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 21, 2014 11:25:45 GMT -5
In fact, I'll go as far to say that Sizemore was a mistake and people will eventually see it. Yeah, there's no way this is the case. We need a legit backup for CF/RF and he looks more like our 3rd LH LF. And hopefully that OBP gets up over .300.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 21, 2014 11:29:54 GMT -5
You guys know that Sizemore is rated as one of the worst defensive outfielders by two defensive metrics this season? It's obviously a small sample size, but it matches up with observation. He's nearly immobile in the outfield and his injuries have taken a huge toll on the jumps he gets. Yeah, the eye test confirms that he's a terrible OF now. Probably worse than Nava even. Yes, SSS, but he's below replacement level so far.
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Post by Guidas on Apr 21, 2014 11:31:31 GMT -5
Just fugly all around.
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Post by mattpicard on Apr 21, 2014 11:31:43 GMT -5
You know who would have been a fantastic get this offseason? Craig Gentry.
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Post by jmei on Apr 21, 2014 11:32:24 GMT -5
Yeah, there's no way this is the case. We need a legit backup for CF/RF and he looks more like our 3rd LH LF. And hopefully that OBP gets up over .300. Sizemore was never mutually exclusive with guys like Young or Davis. By the time he signed in mid-January, those guys were long gone. If Sizemore isn't on the roster right now, it would be Corey Brown up instead; let's not pretend that that would be a better outcome.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 21, 2014 11:35:14 GMT -5
You know who would have been a fantastic get this offseason? Craig Gentry. Yeah, perfect.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 21, 2014 11:37:07 GMT -5
We need a legit backup for CF/RF and he looks more like our 3rd LH LF. And hopefully that OBP gets up over .300. Sizemore was never mutually exclusive with guys like Young or Davis. By the time he signed in mid-January, those guys were long gone. If Sizemore isn't on the roster right now, it would be Corey Brown up instead; let's not pretend that that would be a better outcome. ok fine if you look at it that way. His roster spot might be wasted though on a team with construction issues. We should have addressed the problem way before January.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 21, 2014 11:44:26 GMT -5
You know who would have been a fantastic get this offseason? Craig Gentry. Yeah, perfect. In fact, I would have been willing to dump both Carp and Gomes and make him the full-time LF and bat him leadoff. But then, I know, Gomes...
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 21, 2014 11:45:28 GMT -5
HA! Now there's some BABIP luck for Nava.
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Post by templeusox on Apr 21, 2014 11:46:39 GMT -5
In fact, I would have been willing to dump both Carp and Gomes and make him the full-time LF and bat him leadoff. But then, I know, Gomes... You want to put one of the top rated defensive CF's in baseball, in baseball's smallest left field? Seems like a poor use of resources.
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Post by jmei on Apr 21, 2014 11:47:53 GMT -5
Sizemore was never mutually exclusive with guys like Young or Davis. By the time he signed in mid-January, those guys were long gone. If Sizemore isn't on the roster right now, it would be Corey Brown up instead; let's not pretend that that would be a better outcome. ok fine if you look at it that way. His roster spot might be wasted though on a team with construction issues. We should have addressed the problem way before January. Look, I was all about getting Chris Young or another real backup center fielder. But don't put that entirely on Sizemore, whose bat has been better than expected (the OBP will tic up once his BABIP stabilizes) even as his defense has cratered. The problem is keeping Mike Carp on the roster all winter, a guy who is a glorified pinch-hitter with everyone healthy. That's especially true for a roster that already has a full-time DH-only player and a LF-only, short-half of the platoon guy who seem entrenched where they are. At this point, I'm pretty pissed at all the outfielders on the roster. Even Jackie Bradley, he of the Saltalamacchia-esque 30.5% strikeout rate. Just have to step it up all around.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 21, 2014 11:48:44 GMT -5
In fact, I would have been willing to dump both Carp and Gomes and make him the full-time LF and bat him leadoff. But then, I know, Gomes... You want to put one of the top rated defensive CF's in baseball, in baseball's smallest left field? Seems like a poor use of resources. Is he better than JBJ? I'm not putting Victorino near the wall.
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Post by templeusox on Apr 21, 2014 11:50:05 GMT -5
You want to put one of the top rated defensive CF's in baseball, in baseball's smallest left field? Seems like a poor use of resources. Is he better than JBJ? I'm not putting Victorino near the wall. Probably equivalent, but you're taking his average/below-average bat with the trade-off that his defense is spectacular. If you nullify his defensive value, he has little use.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 21, 2014 11:50:34 GMT -5
ok fine if you look at it that way. His roster spot might be wasted though on a team with construction issues. We should have addressed the problem way before January. Look, I was all about getting Chris Young or another real backup center fielder. But don't put that entirely on Sizemore, whose bat has been better than expected (the OBP will tic up once his BABIP stabilizes) even as his defense has cratered. The problem is keeping Mike Carp on the roster all winter, a guy who is a glorified pinch-hitter with everyone healthy. That's especially true for a roster that already has a full-time DH-only player and a LF-only, short-half of the platoon guy who seem entrenched where they are. At this point, I'm pretty pissed at all the outfielders on the roster. Even Jackie Bradley, he of the Saltalamacchia-esque 30.5% strikeout rate. Just have to step it up all around. Like that double? lol
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Post by jmei on Apr 21, 2014 11:51:56 GMT -5
Is he better than JBJ? I'm not putting Victorino near the wall. Probably equivalent, but you're taking his average/below-average bat with the trade-off that his defense is spectacular. If you nullify his defensive value, he has little use. Career .292/.380/.402 versus lefties. Even if his defense wasn't elite, he'd be a great platoon partner for Bradley and backup at each of the outfield spots.
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Post by jmei on Apr 21, 2014 11:53:15 GMT -5
Look, I was all about getting Chris Young or another real backup center fielder. But don't put that entirely on Sizemore, whose bat has been better than expected (the OBP will tic up once his BABIP stabilizes) even as his defense has cratered. The problem is keeping Mike Carp on the roster all winter, a guy who is a glorified pinch-hitter with everyone healthy. That's especially true for a roster that already has a full-time DH-only player and a LF-only, short-half of the platoon guy who seem entrenched where they are. At this point, I'm pretty pissed at all the outfielders on the roster. Even Jackie Bradley, he of the Saltalamacchia-esque 30.5% strikeout rate. Just have to step it up all around. Like that double? lol Swing for the fences every at bat and you're going to connect every once in a while. The pitch before that he damn near swung out of his shoes and missed a breaking ball in the dirt.
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Post by templeusox on Apr 21, 2014 11:53:20 GMT -5
Probably equivalent, but you're taking his average/below-average bat with the trade-off that his defense is spectacular. If you nullify his defensive value, he has little use. Career .292/.380/.402 versus lefties. Even if his defense wasn't elite, he'd be a great platoon partner for Bradley and backup at each of the outfield spots. I was responding to someone who wanted to make him a full-time LF.
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