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ianrs
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Post by ianrs on Jul 3, 2014 0:36:12 GMT -5
We are going to have quite the team soon at Pawtucket if Coyle gets the nod (not that they aren't built up already)..
LF Cecchini CF Torres/Victorino RF Hassan 1B Shaw 2B Coyle SS Marrero 3B Middlebrooks
C Vazquez SP1 De La Rosa SP2 Owens SP3 Webster SP4 Ranaudo SP5 Wright/Barnes/Johnson CL Hinojosa
Back on topic...I agree, the K-rate is a bit worrisome. All other signs are go, however. His sustained ISO is quite impressive, so the K rate worries me less. I'm excited to see him in the Futures Game.
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Post by oilcansman on Jul 15, 2014 8:23:01 GMT -5
From pgammo:
Most surprising BP? Boston’s 5-8 Sean Coyle. “He may be our longterm third baseman,” said one Red Sox official. If he is, and if Deven Marrero indeed is the defender and leader they think, where Xander Bogaerts ends up is still a question. Just where, not if.
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Post by elguapo on Jul 15, 2014 9:18:09 GMT -5
I love the power, but the k rate scares me. 23% this season - not that it can't go back up toward 30% in the future, because he's obviously seeing the ball great this year based on his results, but for a 22-year-old little slugger in AA, that's not bad.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 15, 2014 10:40:41 GMT -5
He's been getting on and hitting the tar out of the ball since the middle of last year. He is now real until he shows me he isn't.
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Post by charliezink16 on Jul 15, 2014 10:42:54 GMT -5
From pgammo: Most surprising BP? Boston’s 5-8 Sean Coyle. “He may be our longterm third baseman,” said one Red Sox official. If he is, and if Deven Marrero indeed is the defender and leader they think, where Xander Bogaerts ends up is still a question. Just where, not if. This is the kind of report I've been waiting for all year, awesome to hear. Of course "Red Sox official" isn't a very specific term, but I'm excited regardless.
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Post by mgoetze on Jul 15, 2014 12:04:16 GMT -5
Unrelated, but Joe Mauer has 2 popups in last 4 seasons. That's just crazy. Joey Votto has 4 in the last 5. His one popup this season was against Koji Uehara. I remember it well.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 15, 2014 12:58:00 GMT -5
From pgammo: Most surprising BP? Boston’s 5-8 Sean Coyle. “He may be our longterm third baseman,” said one Red Sox official. If he is, and if Deven Marrero indeed is the defender and leader they think, where Xander Bogaerts ends up is still a question. Just where, not if. If that scenario occurred perhaps Bogaerts would wind up in LF flanked by Bradley in CF and Betts in RF. Yaz started out as a middle infielder, so you never know.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 15, 2014 13:54:32 GMT -5
From pgammo: Most surprising BP? Boston’s 5-8 Sean Coyle. “He may be our longterm third baseman,” said one Red Sox official. If he is, and if Deven Marrero indeed is the defender and leader they think, where Xander Bogaerts ends up is still a question. Just where, not if. This is the kind of report I've been waiting for all year, awesome to hear. Of course "Red Sox official" isn't a very specific term, but I'm excited regardless. I've always been psyched about either Betts or Coyle as the 3B of the future, since 2B to 3B is a relatively small loss of value. I'd have no problem with it being Coyle, and with Betts used as the centerpiece in a package for an elite corner OF, especially one no longer called "Mike." The gap between Betts and Coyle's trade value is larger and possibly much larger than their gap in actual value. BTW, has anyone posted the link to the story where Coyle talked about making an adjustment in his approach that coincides with this breakout? That certainly increases the odds that it's largely real.
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Post by thebogeyman on Jul 15, 2014 14:12:45 GMT -5
From pgammo: Most surprising BP? Boston’s 5-8 Sean Coyle. “He may be our longterm third baseman,” said one Red Sox official. If he is, and if Deven Marrero indeed is the defender and leader they think, where Xander Bogaerts ends up is still a question. Just where, not if. I think the Red Sox are on a mission to field the first sub-six foot team in history! Pedey started the trend and now, they just can't help themselves; Betts, JBJr, Coyle, Chavis. Who is next?!?
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Post by lonborgski on Jul 15, 2014 15:18:54 GMT -5
Vazquez 5'9"; Holt 5'10"
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Post by ianrs on Jul 15, 2014 15:52:05 GMT -5
From pgammo: Most surprising BP? Boston’s 5-8 Sean Coyle. “He may be our longterm third baseman,” said one Red Sox official. If he is, and if Deven Marrero indeed is the defender and leader they think, where Xander Bogaerts ends up is still a question. Just where, not if. Here's some footage of Coyle's Futures Game BP
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Post by jimoh on Jul 15, 2014 16:28:45 GMT -5
July 2015? Tazawa 1 Vazquez 2 Holt 3 Pedroia 4 Coyle 5 Betts 6 Nava 7
JBJ 8 Victorino 9 bench Butler, Herrera, Andres Torres
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Post by Guidas on Jul 15, 2014 16:37:43 GMT -5
From pgammo: Most surprising BP? Boston’s 5-8 Sean Coyle. “He may be our longterm third baseman,” said one Red Sox official. If he is, and if Deven Marrero indeed is the defender and leader they think, where Xander Bogaerts ends up is still a question. Just where, not if. Here's some footage of Coyle's Futures Game BPHips very active and synchronous with the swing. That's where the power comes from in his execution.
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Post by threeifbaerga on Jul 15, 2014 16:46:36 GMT -5
Hips very active and synchronous with the swing. That's where the power comes from in his execution. I was going to say the same thing. Those hips are so quick, the torque he creates explains the power in his bat. Not a lot of lunge forward either, which you see with Pedroia. I wonder how that swing compares to where it was when he was hitting .250 and striking out more.
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Post by lonborgski on Jul 15, 2014 17:52:25 GMT -5
July 2015? Tazawa 1 Vazquez 2 Holt 3 Pedroia 4 Coyle 5 Betts 6 Nava 7
JBJ 8 Victorino 9 bench Butler, Herrera, Andres Torres Well done . . . but I think you have to go with Ruby at 1; Taz in the 9th.
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Post by nomar on Jul 15, 2014 18:14:20 GMT -5
Well no Sox official is going to say Coyle doesn't have a shot at starting at 3B for us. It makes no sense to from a standpoint of trade or maintaining Coyles confidence. Coyles definitely an interesting spec to watch, but that Gammons piece doesn't shed much light on anything really.
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Post by jimoh on Jul 15, 2014 18:56:52 GMT -5
July 2015? Tazawa 1 Vazquez 2 Holt 3 Pedroia 4 Coyle 5 Betts 6 Nava 7
JBJ 8 Victorino 9 bench Butler, Herrera, Andres Torres Well done . . . but I think you have to go with Ruby at 1; Taz in the 9th. These are all by the listed heights; Ruby is listed as 6' 1" and may well be.
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Post by larrycook on Jul 15, 2014 22:35:44 GMT -5
Betts doesn't have the arm to play 3rd in my opinion.
But coyle does.
Why is cherrington hanging on those career minor league infielders at Pawtucket and not opening up a spot for coyle by releasing one of them.
Of course if cherrington could move pedroia to San Fran, that opens up a spot for betts at 2nd and a spot for a left handed hitting left fielder stud for the outfield in a second trade.
Pieces seem to fit nicely.
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Post by moonstone2 on Jul 16, 2014 8:57:43 GMT -5
Betts doesn't have the arm to play 3rd in my opinion. But coyle does. Why is cherrington hanging on those career minor league infielders at Pawtucket and not opening up a spot for coyle by releasing one of them. Of course if cherrington could move pedroia to San Fran, that opens up a spot for betts at 2nd and a spot for a left handed hitting left fielder stud for the outfield in a second trade. Pieces seem to fit nicely. Coyle's main problem is that he's never really been healthy for any sustained period in the minor leagues. In fact, this maybe the longest sustained period of good health and producition he's ever had. I think the idea is to let him play a sustained period of time at his natural position, 2B, at one level and see if he can manage to stay on the field and maintain his production. Nothing wrong with a guy doing well to boost his confidence and there's really no hurry to put him in AAA or the majors. Next year we can see if he can make enough contact to be a full time 3B in the majors.
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Post by ctfisher on Jul 16, 2014 9:02:02 GMT -5
Well no Sox official is going to say Coyle doesn't have a shot at starting at 3B for us. It makes no sense to from a standpoint of trade or maintaining Coyles confidence. Coyles definitely an interesting spec to watch, but that Gammons piece doesn't shed much light on anything really. Well given that Bogaerts is currently our 3b, and I thought was slotted there for the long run, it's pretty interesting. It's not like anyone ever suggested Mookie was our 2b of the future, although he obviously had a more established player blocking him in Boston. They didn't have to say anything about him other than "we're excited about him, etc." like they normally do.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 16, 2014 9:07:08 GMT -5
There is quite a logjam in the infield, isn't there? Not everyone can move to LF. Something has gotta give eventually.
Betts, Xander, Marrero, Pedroia, Holt, WMB, Cecchini, Coyle, with Devers, Rijo and Chavis on the back end.
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Post by elguapo on Jul 16, 2014 9:17:33 GMT -5
I think the idea is to let him play a sustained period of time at his natural position, 2B, at one level and see if he can manage to stay on the field and maintain his production. Nothing wrong with a guy doing well to boost his confidence and there's really no hurry to put him in AAA or the majors. Next year we can see if he can make enough contact to be a full time 3B in the majors. That, or trade him like he's hot.
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Post by azblue on Jul 16, 2014 9:18:36 GMT -5
1. It is not a problem to have "too many" good players, regardless of their position.
2. Height is a factor for first basemen (simply because of reach), but there have been many great short players at every other position. Even Steve Garvey at 5-10 was an outstanding first baseman.
3. Just like we sometimes hear that a team has "too many" starting pitchers, an apparent glut of prospects at one or two positions always works out (injuries, excellent trade offers, subpar performance by some).
4. There is noting urgent about making decisions now that can wait a year or two.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 16, 2014 9:34:01 GMT -5
1. It is not a problem to have "too many" good players, regardless of their position. 2. Height is a factor for first basemen (simply because of reach), but there have been many great short players at every other position. Even Steve Garvey at 5-10 was an outstanding first baseman. 3. Just like we sometimes hear that a team has "too many" starting pitchers, an apparent glut of prospects at one or two positions always works out (injuries, excellent trade offers, subpar performance by some). 4. There is noting urgent about making decisions now that can wait a year or two. Nothing urgent, but it's pretty clear that there isn't room for all of them. And it looks like there's a pretty good chance that most are or will be major league players.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 16, 2014 9:55:10 GMT -5
You're inventing a problem. No team has ever failed because they had too much talent that they didn't know what to do with it.
1. Not all of those players will pan out. Even if they all look great now, a couple will have a flaw that is exposed in the high minors or majors, and it's more than likely that injuries will appear. 2. Trades.
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