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2014-15 offseason discussion
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Post by Guidas on Jan 27, 2015 15:43:58 GMT -5
Agree on Rodriguez. Saw him live after the trade. He looked like the closest thing I've seen to a potential #2 in the system (I've seen Owens (look like best case a 3/likely a 5), Barnes (4/back-end reliever), Ranaudo (4/5), Johnson (5/middle reliever) multiple times; saw Kukuk once and he looked awesome buuuuut….).
Anyway, very interested to see if he can carry performance over to this year, but he hit the mitt, the ball had movement, knees buckled on the breaking stuff and guys were talking to themselves walking back to the bench
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Post by larrycook on Jan 28, 2015 14:00:36 GMT -5
With the trade for lhp Ross, it would appear bc's work is done with the boston club for 2015, unless he makes a run at zimmermann, which is highly doubtful.
However the a nice problem to have remains in Pawtucket and to a lesser extent in Portland, how do we find roster spots for all these pitchers, if they are all healthy?
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Post by brianthetaoist on Jan 28, 2015 14:20:49 GMT -5
I dunno, seems like the roster crunch is essentially dealt with now in Pawtucket ... there's some question on the Escobar/Wright decision, but I don't think that's a huge deal. Other than that, you've got Barnes, Owens, Rodriguez, and Johnson in the rotation, a fairly full bullpen but not much extra ...
Portland's got a lot of guys in similar places and some intriguing guys to follow, but I'm not super excited about any of them, so we'll see who emerges down there.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 28, 2015 14:26:20 GMT -5
Pete Abraham ?@peteabe 8m8 minutes ago In the @keithlaw farm system rankings, #RedSox No. 5. Rest of AL East from 19-23
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Post by borisman on Jan 28, 2015 14:43:39 GMT -5
With the trade for lhp Ross, it would appear bc's work is done with the boston club for 2015, unless he makes a run at zimmermann, which is highly doubtful. However the a nice problem to have remains in Pawtucket and to a lesser extent in Portland, how do we find roster spots for all these pitchers, if they are all healthy? I think BC is done till July. If we're in contention in July then some of the depth will be dealt for one of the stud pitchers. If we're out of it then we may trade some ML pitching and hope the young guys are doing well and get a shot at the bigs.
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Post by Guidas on Jan 28, 2015 17:42:39 GMT -5
With the trade for lhp Ross, it would appear bc's work is done with the boston club for 2015, unless he makes a run at zimmermann, which is highly doubtful. However the a nice problem to have remains in Pawtucket and to a lesser extent in Portland, how do we find roster spots for all these pitchers, if they are all healthy? I think BC is done till July. If we're in contention in July then some of the depth will be dealt for one of the stud pitchers. If we're out of it then we may trade some ML pitching and hope the young guys are doing well and get a shot at the bigs. If the Sox are out of it in July, Cherrington should be fired. Period.
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Post by bosox on Jan 28, 2015 18:47:52 GMT -5
With the trade for lhp Ross, it would appear bc's work is done with the boston club for 2015, unless he makes a run at zimmermann, which is highly doubtful. However the a nice problem to have remains in Pawtucket and to a lesser extent in Portland, how do we find roster spots for all these pitchers, if they are all healthy? I think BC is done till July. If we're in contention in July then some of the depth will be dealt for one of the stud pitchers. If we're out of it then we may trade some ML pitching and hope the young guys are doing well and get a shot at the bigs. Hopefully, all of the outfielders are healthy and playing well in Spring Training. It will give BC some work to do.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jan 28, 2015 20:59:46 GMT -5
I have no idea where to put this, as it has nothing to do with anything, but I just looked it up and Mookie Betts is 9 days older than Bryce Harper. *Mind Blown*
My apologies if that has been mentioned before.
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Post by larrycook on Jan 28, 2015 22:12:22 GMT -5
I think BC is done till July. If we're in contention in July then some of the depth will be dealt for one of the stud pitchers. If we're out of it then we may trade some ML pitching and hope the young guys are doing well and get a shot at the bigs. If the Sox are out of it in July, Cherrington should be fired. Period. What about Farrell? Seems like bc has delivered a decent roster for 2015. At what point do we ned to get objective over the job Farrell does in 2015? Do we need to wait until July?
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Post by artfuldodger on Jan 29, 2015 6:53:39 GMT -5
The Keith Law rankings of the farm systems is an interesting article. The top 5 are the Cubs, Twins, Astros, Mets, and Red.Sox. I think a case could be made that the Red Sox have a stronger group and deeper group than the Astros and Mets.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Jan 29, 2015 8:34:51 GMT -5
Pete Abraham ?@peteabe 8m8 minutes ago In the @keithlaw farm system rankings, #RedSox No. 5. Rest of AL East from 19-23 We'd better enjoy it now. Given the top-heaviness of the Sox's system, in 2 years we could very easily be in the same area rankings-wise, if not lower. By then much of our very promising prospects will likely either be on the roster, traded for other assets, or will lose their lustre.
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Post by Guidas on Jan 29, 2015 9:18:08 GMT -5
If the Sox are out of it in July, Cherrington should be fired. Period. What about Farrell? Seems like bc has delivered a decent roster for 2015. At what point do we ned to get objective over the job Farrell does in 2015? Do we need to wait until July? Farrell is in the last year of his contract. I would let it play out.
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Post by The Town Sports Cards on Jan 29, 2015 9:50:06 GMT -5
If the Sox are out of it in July, Cherrington should be fired. Period. Yea, because if a bunch of injuries happen to our key hitters, Cherington should have stocked our bench with All-Star caliber fill-ins. When people who are paid to evaluate baseball teams (both in the media and MLB) agrees that the Red Sox are a contender for the playoffs (especially in a weak AL East), then clearly Cherington has done his job well. When things out a GM's control happen (injuries, unexplained under-performances, etc) how is it Ben's fault? You can't have a solid contingency for every player, there aren't enough roster spots.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 29, 2015 10:04:33 GMT -5
As lucky as the Red Sox were in 2013, they had at least as much bad luck in 2014. Most unbiased neutral ratings of team WAR has the Red Sox near the top, we have a pretty easily defended top 5 prospect system, and we are not burdened with old overpaid players. Expecting a GM to do more than that isn't very realistic. While it's easy to judge Cherington with hindsight, the overly critical aren't held to the fire with all of their outlandish proposals for what Cherington should have done, if the proposals even had more than a 0% chance of happening.
If the Red Sox finish last again, I'd estimate that it was probably around a 20% outcome, which no GM would ever be able to avoid. I like the way this team is setup and he should go nowhere this year, no matter what the results are. Farrell on the other hand is on a shorter leash for me...
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Post by brianthetaoist on Jan 29, 2015 10:04:48 GMT -5
Pete Abraham ?@peteabe 8m8 minutes ago In the @keithlaw farm system rankings, #RedSox No. 5. Rest of AL East from 19-23 We'd better enjoy it now. Given the top-heaviness of the Sox's system, in 2 years we could very easily be in the same area rankings-wise, if not lower. By then much of our very promising prospects will likely either be on the roster, traded for other assets, or will lose their lustre. Maybe, but there's a group of guys lower down that could keep the Sox system well-regarded ... if a couple of the guys entering full-season ball (Devers, Chavis, Kopech, Guerra, etc) develop, Trey Ball shows his improvement last year was real, Travis keeps hitting, Rijo pops again, maybe a break out player here and there, suddenly you've got a lot of talent in A-ball this year and starting to leak into AA by the end of the year. There's talent coming from the international level now (damn your eyes, Craig Shipley!!). It's also possible no one in the top-15 graduates prospect status this year ... probably one of the pitchers will, but I bet Swihart doesn't, Margot certainly won't. And the Sox have another high draft pick this year to add some top-end talent. I'd say the only thing that could knock the farm system down in the near future is some system-clearing blockbuster trade, which seems unlikely from the way they operate, unless there's a mass disappointment among the lower-level prospects.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 29, 2015 10:21:42 GMT -5
Pete Abraham ?@peteabe 8m8 minutes ago In the @keithlaw farm system rankings, #RedSox No. 5. Rest of AL East from 19-23 We'd better enjoy it now. Given the top-heaviness of the Sox's system, in 2 years we could very easily be in the same area rankings-wise, if not lower. By then much of our very promising prospects will likely either be on the roster, traded for other assets, or will lose their lustre. That's possible. On the other hand Diaz, Haley, Ramos, Coyle, Margot, Asuaje, Devers, Guerra, Rijo, Chavis, Ball, Stankiewicz, Kopech, Cosart, Espinoza, Acosta, #7, and a ton of lottery tickets might just weigh in to the equation. LOL, Brian beat me by seven minutes. On the other hand, I'm accross the time line, I beat him by almost 12 hours.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jan 29, 2015 10:26:49 GMT -5
I have no idea where to put this, as it has nothing to do with anything, but I just looked it up and Mookie Betts is 9 days older than Bryce Harper. *Mind Blown* My apologies if that has been mentioned before. I'm pretty sure Harper has never faced a pitcher younger than him in his entire professional career.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 29, 2015 10:49:59 GMT -5
I have no idea where to put this, as it has nothing to do with anything, but I just looked it up and Mookie Betts is 9 days older than Bryce Harper. *Mind Blown* My apologies if that has been mentioned before. I'm pretty sure Harper has never faced a pitcher younger than him in his entire professional career. I read where you are right except MLB not pro career. I'm pretty sure he faced several this past summer when he rehabbed at A ball. Not many remember but Bryce Harper skipped his junior and senior years at high school and instead took GEDs (I think that's what they are called ) then enrolled in a junior college. He was drafted the year that his friends were through the 11th grade. Paraphrasing Red Aurbach (Joe Barry Carol), it's not like as if he was going to be a brain surgeon. He also participated in the California High school workouts for high school graduates. He was 12 at the time.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jan 29, 2015 11:00:08 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Harper has never faced a pitcher younger than him in his entire professional career. I read where you are right except MLB not pro career. I'm pretty sure he faced several this past summer when he rehabbed at A ball.Nope. Only played two games there and every pitcher was older. I remember hearing about this last year after he'd completed his rehab stint so I'm pretty sure it's still true.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 29, 2015 11:17:52 GMT -5
Ah OK, I was thinking it was longer. If I remember correctly, one of the teams was Salem.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 29, 2015 11:58:19 GMT -5
Ah OK, I was thinking it was longer. If I remember correctly, one of the teams was Salem. Two games, both against Salem... and Haley, Younginer, Light, Kraus, and Martin were all at least a year older than Harper. He then played three games in Double-A and most of the pitchers he faced were 2-3 years or more older than him. Seriously, he might be the most underappreciated athlete in sports.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Jan 29, 2015 13:48:35 GMT -5
We'd better enjoy it now. Given the top-heaviness of the Sox's system, in 2 years we could very easily be in the same area rankings-wise, if not lower. By then much of our very promising prospects will likely either be on the roster, traded for other assets, or will lose their lustre. Maybe, but there's a group of guys lower down that could keep the Sox system well-regarded ... if a couple of the guys entering full-season ball (Devers, Chavis, Kopech, Guerra, etc) develop, Trey Ball shows his improvement last year was real, Travis keeps hitting, Rijo pops again, maybe a break out player here and there, suddenly you've got a lot of talent in A-ball this year and starting to leak into AA by the end of the year. There's talent coming from the international level now (damn your eyes, Craig Shipley!!). It's also possible no one in the top-15 graduates prospect status this year ... probably one of the pitchers will, but I bet Swihart doesn't, Margot certainly won't. And the Sox have another high draft pick this year to add some top-end talent. I'd say the only thing that could knock the farm system down in the near future is some system-clearing blockbuster trade, which seems unlikely from the way they operate, unless there's a mass disappointment among the lower-level prospects. I agree with your next year's assessment ..... which is why I said two years. It IS going to take a little time to weed out all these guys at the top, but the next two years should fairly well do it. And then ..... You and a few others have indicated potential optimism for the future, but look at the assumptions you all need to make to keep the depth and quality intact. Knowing the crash-and-burn rate for prospects, especially those with less-than-elite credentials coming into pro ball, what really are the odds that the Sox system stays near the top?
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Jan 29, 2015 14:02:33 GMT -5
I don't know why Chris, but we often seem to have very different mind sets. To me, Harper is possibly one of the most over appreciated athletes in sport. He has the tools to be incredibly great but it wouldn't surprise me if a guy like Betts doesn't have a better career. Harper has looked like superman at times but can he mantain it over a career? Does he have a long term comittment to excellence or will he burn out? I've seen a lot of athletes who could have benefited greatly from taking a year off. Harper seems to get hurt more often than many and don't think that is the only reason he has had mixed results for a guy with his projections. The numbers are not a clear upward trend of a young guy adjusting to the league to me: www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/injuries-derail-bryce-harpers-season-again/
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Post by brianthetaoist on Jan 29, 2015 15:06:02 GMT -5
Maybe, but there's a group of guys lower down that could keep the Sox system well-regarded ... if a couple of the guys entering full-season ball (Devers, Chavis, Kopech, Guerra, etc) develop, Trey Ball shows his improvement last year was real, Travis keeps hitting, Rijo pops again, maybe a break out player here and there, suddenly you've got a lot of talent in A-ball this year and starting to leak into AA by the end of the year. There's talent coming from the international level now (damn your eyes, Craig Shipley!!). It's also possible no one in the top-15 graduates prospect status this year ... probably one of the pitchers will, but I bet Swihart doesn't, Margot certainly won't. And the Sox have another high draft pick this year to add some top-end talent. I'd say the only thing that could knock the farm system down in the near future is some system-clearing blockbuster trade, which seems unlikely from the way they operate, unless there's a mass disappointment among the lower-level prospects. I agree with your next year's assessment ..... which is why I said two years. It IS going to take a little time to weed out all these guys at the top, but the next two years should fairly well do it. And then ..... You and a few others have indicated potential optimism for the future, but look at the assumptions you all need to make to keep the depth and quality intact. Knowing the crash-and-burn rate for prospects, especially those with less-than-elite credentials coming into pro ball, what really are the odds that the Sox system stays near the top? Oh, I could've named more people (our Philippines contingent did!); I just chose the top guys who are *expected* to do well this year in full season ball, the safer bets. But, in two years, you've got all the guys in the lower levels, plus two draft classes (one with a high pick), plus the folks coming over from DSL; it's impossible to tell what the system will look like then. I'm just pointing out that there's a pretty deep pool of talent to draw from here, so even with the inevitable wash-outs, the potential is there for some sustained success. Or, you know, they draft terribly the next two years, the lack of big bonuses next year dries up the international talent, and a bunch of guys flame out when they reach high-A or AA. I'm bullish on the future and think the weight of evidence points to a 2-3 year run of success, but these things can change fairly quickly.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Jan 29, 2015 15:11:37 GMT -5
Good Friend Austin Meadows comes in at #8 on MLB.com's list of top 10 OF's.
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