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Post by danr on Nov 24, 2014 15:28:38 GMT -5
Do you think that's the home town discount price or the real market value? I think it is the market value for Lester. If he were two or three years younger, I could see him get even more. If the Sox get him for six years at $130, as rumored, they will be doing well in this market.
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Post by danr on Nov 24, 2014 15:32:31 GMT -5
If the Sox sign Lester and trade for Hamels, they still should have enough to trade for another pitcher, which is what they should do. Get three really starters to go with Kelly and Buchholz - or better yet, Kelly and one of the top prospects.
With the lineup they are assembling and some solid pitching, the Sox win the East.
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Post by dmaineah on Nov 24, 2014 15:36:57 GMT -5
Do you think that's the home town discount price or the real market value? I think it is the market value for Lester. If he were two or three years younger, I could see him get even more. If the Sox get him for six years at $130, as rumored, they will be doing well in this market. I'm starting to think that the real market for Lester is 7yrs for $189 and wouldn't be surprised if it was more.
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Post by danr on Nov 24, 2014 15:41:31 GMT -5
I think it is the market value for Lester. If he were two or three years younger, I could see him get even more. If the Sox get him for six years at $130, as rumored, they will be doing well in this market. I'm starting to think that the real market for Lester is 7yrs for $189 and wouldn't be surprised if it was more. If he were younger, I'd agree. He's been a horse and his method of pitching is not the kind that puts great stress on the arm. However, it is hard to believe that in six years he will be the pitcher he is today.
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 24, 2014 15:42:30 GMT -5
“@peteabe: Source: #RedSox still very much engaged with @jlester31, process ongoing. Recent signings do not preclude his return.”
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 24, 2014 16:21:11 GMT -5
Is there more than a zero percent chance that Castillo starts the year in AAA? I highly doubt it for the 72 million reasons not to, but wanted to throw that out there.
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Post by kmann on Nov 24, 2014 16:23:52 GMT -5
They will go over the Luxury tax regardless the would have to deal Cespedes for nothing and Victorino at full value to be under if my number are correct If they trade Cespedes for a cheap #2 starter AND trade Vic and Nap and go with a Craig/Nava platoon at 1B, there is money available to sign Lester and stay under the cap.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 24, 2014 16:29:49 GMT -5
I don't think there's a chance in hell that Cespedes alone gets a cheap #2 starter, if for no other reason than there would be no QO draft pick attached to Cespedes. We're kind of at the point where we need to look at a 3-team trade because any team that wants Cespedes isn't going to want to give up a significant pitcher before the season starts. I don't see any teams that have so much top of the rotation pitching they don't know what to do with it. Either that or we're talking about including Buchholz or Kelly in the deal.
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Post by redsox4242 on Nov 24, 2014 16:31:14 GMT -5
They will go over the Luxury tax regardless the would have to deal Cespedes for nothing and Victorino at full value to be under if my number are correct If they trade Cespedes for a cheap #2 starter AND trade Vic and Nap and go with a Craig/Nava platoon at 1B, there is money available to sign Lester and stay under the cap. After last years debacle, so what if they go over the Luxury Tax? we need offense and i am glad we signed Ramirez and especially Sandoval. The guy is a winner and the most clutch hitter in the playoffs(besides, of course big papi!!!!)
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Post by kmann on Nov 24, 2014 16:35:53 GMT -5
I don't think there's a chance in hell that Cespedes alone gets a cheap #2 starter, if for no other reason than there would be no QO draft pick attached to Cespedes. We're kind of at the point where we need to look at a 3-team trade because any team that wants Cespedes isn't going to want to give up a significant pitcher before the season starts. I don't see any teams that have so much top of the rotation pitching they don't know what to do with it. Either that or we're talking about including Buchholz or Kelly in the deal. That goes without saying that Cespedes alone won't get a cheap #2. We will clearly need to add prospects to get it done. I am just trying to demonstrate that if staying under the cap was a key issue for the front office, it can be done even with Lester on the books. That being said, at this point, the cap better not be a critical issue because I would not be thrilled with a Craig/Nava platoon at 1B.
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Post by youngbillrussell on Nov 24, 2014 16:35:53 GMT -5
RF Betts 2B Pedroia DH Ortiz LF Ramirez 3B Sandoval 1B Napoli CF Castillo SS Bogaerts C Vazquez
Unreal lineup.
Sign Lester and trade Cespedes for a #2-3 pitcher and well played Ben Cherington.
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Post by xanderbogaerts2 on Nov 24, 2014 16:44:14 GMT -5
I would have to think there's definitely some traction to both Lester and Hamels with the lester reports and now according to some source Hamels will wave his no-trade to BOS if they picked up his option which was already speculated by most.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 24, 2014 16:46:42 GMT -5
Can we call Shields' agent instead of committing to a deal with Ruben Amaro? I'd rather hold onto the ransom of prospects for the trade deadline and get Cueto or similar as a #3 instead.
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Post by kmann on Nov 24, 2014 16:46:58 GMT -5
If they trade Cespedes for a cheap #2 starter AND trade Vic and Nap and go with a Craig/Nava platoon at 1B, there is money available to sign Lester and stay under the cap. After last years debacle, so what if they go over the Luxury Tax? we need offense and i am glad we signed Ramirez and especially Sandoval. The guy is a winner and the most clutch hitter in the playoffs(besides, of course big papi!!!!) I could care less if they go over the cap. It's not my money. But we know it has been a very important issue for management in the past. I hope they go over this year, because if not, they will have to weaken the team at one position (i.e. trading Nap and going with Nava/Craig platoon) if they want to sign Lester. And the bullpen could use another proven arm too.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 24, 2014 16:47:53 GMT -5
After last years debacle, so what if they go over the Luxury Tax? we need offense and i am glad we signed Ramirez and especially Sandoval. The guy is a winner and the most clutch hitter in the playoffs(besides, of course big papi!!!!) I could care less if they go over the cap. It's not my money. But we know it has been a very important issue for management in the past. I hope they go over this year, because if not, they will have to weaken the team at one position (i.e. trading Nap and going with Nava/Craig platoon) if they want to sign Lester. And the bullpen could use another proven arm too. It's not a huge deal if they go over for one year. They have a lot coming off the books next year.
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Post by nomar on Nov 24, 2014 16:51:05 GMT -5
If we give up Owens/Rodriguez/Margot for Hamels, we better be paying him $10M per year.
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Post by redsox4242 on Nov 24, 2014 16:50:51 GMT -5
I could care less if they go over the cap. It's not my money. But we know it has been a very important issue for management in the past. I hope they go over this year, because if not, they will have to weaken the team at one position (i.e. trading Nap and going with Nava/Craig platoon) if they want to sign Lester. And the bullpen could use another proven arm too. It's not a huge deal if they go over for one year. They have a lot coming off the books next year. Exactly, and i am sure they are trading Cespedes/Victorino.
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Post by xanderbogaerts2 on Nov 24, 2014 17:22:11 GMT -5
Pete Abraham @peteabe 4m, "Two #RedSox team sources say Bogaerts is still the SS. Didn’t think that would change, but worth checking." Good
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Post by templeusox on Nov 24, 2014 17:28:18 GMT -5
As long as Betts is off-limits, they can go out and get Hamels. I still think we're doing Philly a favor by picking up his deal, so the return back should not be anything significant.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 24, 2014 17:33:01 GMT -5
As long as Betts is off-limits, they can go out and get Hamels. I still think we're doing Philly a favor by picking up his deal, so the return back should not be anything significant. I think if it happens at all, Betts is included and the entire board will revolt against the fans who only read Nick Cafardo.
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Post by nomar on Nov 24, 2014 17:35:43 GMT -5
If Hamels' option is excercised he really isn't worth more than Johnson.
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Post by templeusox on Nov 24, 2014 17:37:31 GMT -5
As long as Betts is off-limits, they can go out and get Hamels. I still think we're doing Philly a favor by picking up his deal, so the return back should not be anything significant. I think if it happens at all, Betts is included and the entire board will revolt against the fans who only read Nick Cafardo. That would really exemplify one step forward and two steps back.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 24, 2014 17:41:59 GMT -5
I think if it happens at all, Betts is included and the entire board will revolt against the fans who only read Nick Cafardo. That would really exemplify one step forward and two steps back. Yeah, I'm praying it doesn't. Having players like Mookie and Xander are exactly why we're able to spend a lot now.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Nov 24, 2014 17:51:24 GMT -5
As long as Betts is off-limits, they can go out and get Hamels. I still think we're doing Philly a favor by picking up his deal, so the return back should not be anything significant. What do you think a deal would look like? I haven't heard anything indicating Philly is doing anything other than making ridiculous demands again.
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Post by mredsox89 on Nov 24, 2014 18:06:07 GMT -5
I assume any deal for a top end SP would start with Owens, and then include at least one of the second tier prospects, and a pair of the tier below that.
It would help if Cespedes could be included in a deal like that, but my guess is that he's moved in a separate deal, much like another OFer
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