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2014-15 offseason discussion
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Nov 24, 2014 22:17:06 GMT -5
MLB traderumors on Lester/Hamels. It appears that the Sox intend to end up with one or the other:
Two NL GMs told Peter Gammons over the weekend that Lester is nearing a deal with the Red Sox. However, Gammons writes that the info doesn’t appear to be accurate at this time, as Lester is set to meet with the Cardinals sometime next week. According to Gammons, Lester might wish to have a deal in place in advance of the Winter Meetings, which begin Dec. 7 in San Diego. WEEI.com’s Rob Bradford echoes that there’s nothing close between the Red Sox and Lester at this time (Twitter link). Peter Abraham of the Boston Globe tweets that the Red Sox and Lester are still “very much engaged” and it does appear possible for the Sox to add Lester, Sandoval and Hanley Ramirez (who agreed to a four-year, $88MM pact with Boston earlier today). The Red Sox and Cubs are interested in Hamels, and both could “jump” at the chance to acquire him if they miss on Lester, tweets Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. Boston has had the “most serious talks” with Philadelphia, according to Bob Nightengale of USA Today (via Twitter), with Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports tweeting that the Phils are confident in striking a deal if Lester does not return to his former club. The Dodgers are also in on Hamels, according to a tweet from Nightengale. Los Angeles represents a potentially powerful new entrant to that market, of course, and could shake up the pursuit if it decides to commit significant resources to adding a third stellar lefty to its rotation.
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Post by soxfan06 on Nov 24, 2014 22:20:04 GMT -5
Can I just point out that that Wesley kid hasn't broken anything? He's simply been regurgitating what Christopher Meola has been reporting on both Sandoval and Hanley, and trying to link himself to the info. Meola has never once mentioned Sandoval on his timeline.
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 24, 2014 22:22:22 GMT -5
“@gordonedes: They sign him//RT @blkblt2009: @gordonedes @couple_of_guys u think Lester will respect the deadline what's your gut feeling on lester”
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Post by soxfan06 on Nov 24, 2014 22:25:07 GMT -5
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Nov 24, 2014 22:31:56 GMT -5
Even if they trade Cespedes they still have Craig, Nava, Betts, Victorino, Castillo, Holt, Bradley and Ramirez for the OF. Does anyone think there is a chance they move Craig/Nava to 1st and trade Napoli? Go with an OF of Castillo, Betts, Ramirez?
I just see very little trade value in Craig and Victorino at this point.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Nov 24, 2014 23:10:48 GMT -5
From my view, if the Sox decide to exceed the cap for one year, this is within reach:
Cespedes, WMB certain to be traded Francisco traded or released one of Nava, Napoli, Craig (in that order) likely to be traded could easily be packaged: Cecchini, Bradley, Coyle, Ranaudo, Barnes, Webster, RDLR, Wright, Workman, Escobar
We could end up with:
Betts CF Pedroia 2B Ramirez LF Ortiz DH Sandoval 3B Napoli 1B Bogaerts SS Vazquez C Castillo RF
Rotation Lester Latos (or similar one year guy like Samardja, Cuello et al) Buccholz Kelly one of Webster, RDLR, Workman, Wright
bench: Victorino Holt Craig Ross, Butler or backup catcher
Koji Mujica Tazawa Miller Hinojosa (or Badenhop) several candidates for the other 2 slots including the guys that don't make the fifth starter.
what a team and we still have ALL of our top young guys !!!
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Post by Oregon Norm on Nov 24, 2014 23:26:38 GMT -5
Jake Wesley @mlb_al_nl 3m, "Being told lesters deal could happen tonight. If he doesn't sign by Wednesday, means team done negotiating with Jon" The dude is channeling Cafardo, at this point. Is that really a good thing?
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 24, 2014 23:28:23 GMT -5
Jake Wesley @mlb_al_nl 3m, "Being told lesters deal could happen tonight. If he doesn't sign by Wednesday, means team done negotiating with Jon" The dude is channeling Cafardo, at this point. Is that really a good thing? So this is good??? “@loumerloni: He has them. "@kyle_Meadows: @mlb_nl_al @loumerloni Prove to me. I'm nobody but am fascinated by you and your so called sources.””
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Post by nomar on Nov 24, 2014 23:28:31 GMT -5
FWIW I don't see us pursuing Latos because of his stature and shoulder problems. I'm not saying that he isn't a solid trade option but I think he's low enough on our wish list that we won't cross everyone else before him off in trade negotiations.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Nov 24, 2014 23:33:37 GMT -5
@bradfo: Another source confirms that Red Sox have not set any deadlines for any free agents to this point
So it's come to this a seasoned veteran or 14 y/o insider.
This off season is getting weirder.
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Post by dcsoxfan on Nov 24, 2014 23:34:32 GMT -5
I'm okay with the Ramirez deal, but I hate the Sandoval deal (for reasons I have elaborated on elsewhere).
However, what really worries me is which young player/prospect are the Red Sox going to sell low on this time? I have been following the Red Sox for forty years, and that's just what they do.
In the '70's they sold low on Cecil Cooper, Ben Ogilvie and Reggie Smith (i.e. the curse of Tom Yawkey?)
In the early '80's they sold low on John Tudor and Bobby Ojeda.
In the late '80's they sold low on Curt Schilling, Brady Anderson and Jeff Bagwell (and gave up on Ellis Burks).
In the last decade they sold low on Hanley Ramirez, Anibal Sanchez and Anthony Rizzo.
Who will it be this time? I am getting ready to hate the impending deal for Cole Hamels.
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Post by Steve Henley on Nov 24, 2014 23:36:05 GMT -5
So this is good??? “@loumerloni: He has them. "@kyle_Meadows: @mlb_nl_al @loumerloni Prove to me. I'm nobody but am fascinated by you and your so called sources.”” It appears the kid has legit sources. It seems unlikely that everything he's reporting is 100% accurate but I'd imagine most of it so far is pretty much on the mark. Who knows if/when the source will dry up or start to feed him misinformation, if it hasn't started already.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Nov 24, 2014 23:39:06 GMT -5
I'm okay with the Ramirez deal, but I hate the Sandoval deal (for reasons I have elaborated on elsewhere). However, what really worries me is which young player/prospect are the Red Sox going to sell low on this time? I have been following the Red Sox for forty years, and that's just what they do. In the '70's they sold low on Cecil Cooper, Ben Ogilvie and Reggie Smith (i.e. the curse of Tom Yawkey?) In the early '80's they sold low on John Tudor and Bobby Ojeda. In the late '80's they sold low on Curt Schilling, Brady Anderson and Jeff Bagwell (and gave up on Ellis Burks). In the last decade they sold low on Hanley Ramirez, Anibal Sanchez and Anthony Rizzo. Who will it be this time? I am getting ready to hate the impending deal for Cole Hamels. I'mnot so sure I'd classify any of your last decade traded players as selling low. They were all part of legitimate deals that were beneficial to both teams at the time.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Nov 24, 2014 23:42:55 GMT -5
I'm okay with the Ramirez deal, but I hate the Sandoval deal (for reasons I have elaborated on elsewhere). However, what really worries me is which young player/prospect are the Red Sox going to sell low on this time? I have been following the Red Sox for forty years, and that's just what they do. In the '70's they sold low on Cecil Cooper, Ben Ogilvie and Reggie Smith (i.e. the curse of Tom Yawkey?) In the early '80's they sold low on John Tudor and Bobby Ojeda. In the late '80's they sold low on Curt Schilling, Brady Anderson and Jeff Bagwell (and gave up on Ellis Burks). In the last decade they sold low on Hanley Ramirez, Anibal Sanchez and Anthony Rizzo. Who will it be this time? I am getting ready to hate the impending deal for Cole Hamels. They didn't by any means sell low on Hanley, Sanchez (Got a 25 y/o ace who had a WS MVP on his resume AND an above avg regular at 3B which is a piece that is forgotten in that trade) and Rizzo (The only piece in that trade who has delivered value and it took years for him to develop at the big league level. They also got one of the best hitters in MLB at the time). Does are the prospect examples that matter cause they came under this administration.
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 24, 2014 23:43:50 GMT -5
More tweets
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Post by Gwell55 on Nov 24, 2014 23:47:05 GMT -5
So this is good??? “@loumerloni: He has them. "@kyle_Meadows: @mlb_nl_al @loumerloni Prove to me. I'm nobody but am fascinated by you and your so called sources.”” It appears the kid has legit sources. It seems unlikely that everything he's reporting is 100% accurate but I'd imagine most of it so far is pretty much on the mark. Who knows if/when the source will dry up or start to feed him misinformation, if it hasn't started already. Maybe the source feeding him quality news will go on long enough to get CHB, Abe, and Cafardo in hot water and released. I heard some rumor today over on that other site that someone in the Sox family might be thinking along those lines. Now that would be another good thing to happen today!!!
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Post by vermontsox1 on Nov 24, 2014 23:52:11 GMT -5
Jake Wesley MLB ?@mlb_nl_al SOURCE:Nationals have had discussions with Red Sox on Yoenis Cespedes."Nats believe they can get good package for Jason Werth".no deal yet
I am mystified how this little dude is getting sources.
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Post by nomar on Nov 25, 2014 0:04:31 GMT -5
Fister would be nice.
The kid gave a name to Lou Merloni and it checked out so I'd give him the benefit of the doubt.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Nov 25, 2014 0:06:36 GMT -5
It apparently is from inside the Red Sox. I have a feeling someone might have been hacked or something because he is not the only one putting stuff out there. It's coming from somewhere.
Either way I expect that the Red Sox will try to find out who it is if it's indeed from inside the organization. I would expect not a lot of people have access to this type of information within the organization.
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 25, 2014 0:08:23 GMT -5
It apparently is from inside the Red Sox. I have a feeling someone might have been hacked or something because he is not the only one putting stuff out there. It's coming from somewhere. Either way I expect that the Red Sox will try to find out who it is if it's indeed from inside the organization. I would expect not a lot of people have access to this type of information within the organization. Or the sox just want to f*** with the MSM
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Post by dcsoxfan on Nov 25, 2014 7:02:59 GMT -5
PedroelGrande, Philsoxfan,
Thanks for the responses. The post wasn't really meant to be critical; it was meant be provocative.
While I agree that the Red Sox trades have been reasonable, the value of the prospects traded has, over time, exceeded the value of the players acquired.
The Red Sox are a very risk- averse team. They have done an excellent job in player development, but they have always managed to trade a couple of their top prospects for veterans. They have an organizational strategy that simultaneously lowers risk and ceiling.
It has been successful, but there are limits to that success. This team hasn't had a 100 win season or won back-to-back division titles in my lifetime.
I can't really complain about how the FO manages the team, but just once I'd like to see them not trade any of their really top prospects -- to take the high risk, high ceiling approach.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 25, 2014 7:26:49 GMT -5
Even if they trade Cespedes they still have Craig, Nava, Betts, Victorino, Castillo, Holt, Bradley and Ramirez for the OF. Does anyone think there is a chance they move Craig/Nava to 1st and trade Napoli? Go with an OF of Castillo, Betts, Ramirez? I just see very little trade value in Craig and Victorino at this point. The best Red Sox team has Napoli on it this year. I wouldn't downgrade at 1B.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Nov 25, 2014 7:52:52 GMT -5
PedroelGrande, Philsoxfan, Thanks for the responses. The post wasn't really meant to be critical; it was meant be provocative. While I agree that the Red Sox trades have been reasonable, the value of the prospects traded has, over time, exceeded the value of the players acquired. The Red Sox are a very risk- averse team. They have done an excellent job in player development, but they have always managed to trade a couple of their top prospects for veterans. They have an organizational strategy that simultaneously lowers risk and ceiling. It has been successful, but there are limits to that success. This team hasn't had a 100 win season or won back-to-back division titles in my lifetime. I can't really complain about how the FO manages the team, but just once I'd like to see them not trade any of their really top prospects -- to take the high risk, high ceiling approach. Personally I'd rather have a world series than a good young hanley ramirez and anibal sanchez. I'm still glad we made the beckett trade.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 25, 2014 8:16:45 GMT -5
PedroelGrande, Philsoxfan, Thanks for the responses. The post wasn't really meant to be critical; it was meant be provocative. While I agree that the Red Sox trades have been reasonable, the value of the prospects traded has, over time, exceeded the value of the players acquired. The Red Sox are a very risk- averse team. They have done an excellent job in player development, but they have always managed to trade a couple of their top prospects for veterans. They have an organizational strategy that simultaneously lowers risk and ceiling. It has been successful, but there are limits to that success. This team hasn't had a 100 win season or won back-to-back division titles in my lifetime. I can't really complain about how the FO manages the team, but just once I'd like to see them not trade any of their really top prospects -- to take the high risk, high ceiling approach. Personally I'd rather have a world series than a good young hanley ramirez and anibal sanchez. I'm still glad we made the beckett trade. This isn't exactly the way it works. Of course you always want the WS win. But you can never guarantee it happens when a trade is made. I'm not trading Betts and Owens for anyone just because it worked in 2007. Though I'd probably do it for Sale.
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Post by soxfanatic on Nov 25, 2014 9:09:39 GMT -5
It seems like both Pablo and Hanley left money on the table to sign with the Sox. Call me naive, but that's the mind set you want from your players. If their heart is in it, a long season will be less of a drag.
Jon Heyman ?@jonheymancbs 1 min.1 minuut geleden Panda could have gotten more with SF or SD. Sorry, 95M, not 98
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