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Post by jchang on Jul 29, 2014 16:15:37 GMT -5
Not just rings, but 0.59 era, 15.2 IP in WS games pay up! Joe McDonald ?@espnjoeymac 4m The likelihood the Red Sox trade Lester is becoming more of a possibility, because the demand for his services has skyrocketed, per source. Those are proven services, we might add. He's got the rings to back it up. It may be an unlikely scenario, but Lester being sent to a contender where he make his bones again, garnering the Sox some real value, and then being brought back on a market contract is certainly an appealing one. Wishcasting, but it's interesting to contemplate.
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Post by oilcansman on Jul 29, 2014 16:18:07 GMT -5
Damn this is exciting!! I almost think at this point that trading Lester could HELP the Sox re-sign him, for several reasons. It shows to him (and us) that they'll talk to him and feel him out on things, therefore increasing the trust and bond between the two, while still giving the kid something to play for this year. Also, it would increase our chances in 2015, which could only entice him (not to mention Lackey) to come back. Okin: It's official. You have run out of things to say about this subject. Go out to dinner, get some sleep and rejoin us in the morning.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Jul 29, 2014 16:18:25 GMT -5
I also think this is a great time to snag Miami's comp pick. They have a history of trading them and seem to be buyers. I think we have enough pieces to get that pick from them, though I'm not sure what they are looking for.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 29, 2014 16:21:32 GMT -5
Joe McDonald ?@espnjoeymac 4m The likelihood the Red Sox trade Lester is becoming more of a possibility, because the demand for his services has skyrocketed, per source. Those are proven services, we might add. He's got the rings to back it up. It may be an unlikely scenario, but Lester being sent to a contender where he make his bones again, garnering the Sox some real value, and then being brought back on a market contract is certainly an appealing one. Wishcasting, but it's interesting to contemplate. I wouldn't be shocked if this was the return the Red Sox wanted if they were going to pay him what he wants.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 29, 2014 16:23:24 GMT -5
I'd say there's less than a 1% chance. They've probably already gotten at least one offer that surpasses the value of the comp pick. Here's a quick thought. MIL and STL both have Round A competitive balance picks. Throw it in the deal. Then, BOS is assured of getting at least the value of the comp pick it would lose by trading Lester. STL - Piscotty and the comp. pick MIL - Nelson and the comp. pick The comp pick could make up for the difference between a Piscotty/Nelson and a Josh Bell. Very good. Like the idea (and the mental effort).
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Post by Guidas on Jul 29, 2014 16:25:09 GMT -5
Those are proven services, we might add. He's got the rings to back it up. It may be an unlikely scenario, but Lester being sent to a contender where he make his bones again, garnering the Sox some real value, and then being brought back on a market contract is certainly an appealing one. Wishcasting, but it's interesting to contemplate. I wouldn't be shocked if this was the return the Red Sox wanted if they were going to pay him what he wants. And then the Yankees show up and offer him $30M more than Sox. Because money is basically used toilet paper over there. Though I do love the idea of resigning him after fleecing a contender for top prospects.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 29, 2014 16:26:54 GMT -5
I wouldn't be shocked if this was the return the Red Sox wanted if they were going to pay him what he wants. And then the Yankees show up and offer him $30M more than Sox. Because money is basically used toilet paper over there. Though I do love the idea of resigning him after fleecing a contender for top prospects. Maybe he isn't really only about money, like pretty much every single player who signs with the Yankees, IMO.
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Post by ikonos on Jul 29, 2014 16:34:21 GMT -5
Money is always a factor but also players preference for continuing their way of life and friendships built over the years they spend in a city. Lester has been in the Sox organization for over 10 yrs and in Boston since 2007, so not wanting to uproot his life for few more dollars (which wont impact anything for him in the bigger scheme of things) is a real incentive. However he also could have peer-pressure form union to get the max contract and do their service to improve wages for players after them. So its a tough decision, one way or the other and if there is a reasonable chance he could make 90% of his max contract and still come back to Boston, he will and should consider it and he has indicated he will do so. So no surprise from a guy who loves Boston for what it has done for him and what he did to it.
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Post by dcsoxfan on Jul 29, 2014 16:35:10 GMT -5
Doesn't Lackey to Pittsburgh make more sense than Lester to Pittsburgh?
Lackey isn't retiring, and he isn't playing for $500,000. But the contract provides enough leverage that he will provide someone a good #2 at a discount for a reasonable amount of time. Isn't that exactly what the Pirates need? And don't they have the prospects to pull it off?
Isn't Lackey worth just as much as David "Early Exit" Price when you consider the comparative records in big games and the financials?
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 29, 2014 16:37:59 GMT -5
Makes sense for them. But the guy everyone wants is Cole Hamels. The Phillies really don't want to trade him, considering he is signed through 2018. They aren't making him readily available. And considering they are flush with money and have a new TV deal, his $22.5 million salary is no problem. Yet, according to one-ranking official directly involved with the talks, the Los Angeles Dodgers recently asked for Hamels. They were told the price would be three of their top prospects - center fielder Joc Pederson, shortstop Corey Seager and left-handed pitcher Julio Urias. Sorry, the Dodgers said, but no interest. The Phillies haven't dropped their price tag, and are insisting on three top prospects and a mid-tier prospect in any deal for Hamels. Yet, since no one else has come forward, they could lower the asking price if Hamels is packaged with bad, bloated contracts like ones belonging to Howard and Papelbon, clearing more than $150 million off the books. www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2014/07/29/mlb-trade-deadline-jon-lester-john-lackey-cole-hamels-cliff-lee/13327255/
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Post by trotsdirtyhat on Jul 29, 2014 16:41:27 GMT -5
Ruben Amaro Jr. is cuckoo for cocoa puffs
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Post by jrffam05 on Jul 29, 2014 16:45:54 GMT -5
If Lester is traded for this huge package and does resign a non rediculous contract he will be a Boston hero.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jul 29, 2014 17:09:07 GMT -5
Ruben Amaro Jr. is cuckoo for cocoa puffs Great username trot.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 29, 2014 17:17:18 GMT -5
If Lester is traded for this huge package and does resign a non rediculous contract he will be a Boston hero. There will be much Yankee and Ray whining.
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Post by hammerhead on Jul 29, 2014 17:19:59 GMT -5
It was just brought up on MLBradio that Matheny's exasperation with Tavares may cause the Cardinals to "Not hesitate" to include him in a deal for a starting pitcher.
If that's true, then the Cardinals instantly become the front runner. IMHO
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Post by Gwell55 on Jul 29, 2014 17:21:56 GMT -5
If Lester is traded for this huge package and does resign a non rediculous contract he will be a Boston hero. There will be much Yankee and Ray whining. And David Prices era in post season play will still be 5.06+ Oh well life goes on.
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Post by mjammz on Jul 29, 2014 17:28:40 GMT -5
Nick Cafardo couldn't possible give more muddled information. He'd be better off just going on NESN and saying he has no idea what's going on.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 29, 2014 17:33:11 GMT -5
If Lester is traded for this huge package and does resign a non rediculous contract he will be a Boston hero. There will be much Yankee and Ray whining. So to sum up: 2 top prospects minimum + Lester + Angst(Yankees + Rays) = Laugh Out Loud AWESOME
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Post by jdb on Jul 29, 2014 17:35:14 GMT -5
It was just brought up on MLBradio that Matheny's exasperation with Tavares may cause the Cardinals to "Not hesitate" to include him in a deal for a starting pitcher. If that's true, then the Cardinals instantly become the front runner. IMHO Bob Nigjtrngale is speculating Tavaras, Shelby Miller and their comp pick for Price.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 29, 2014 17:39:17 GMT -5
There will be much Yankee and Ray whining. So to sum up: 2 top prospects minimum + Lester + Angst(Yankees + Rays) = Laugh Out Loud AWESOME Would be even funnier if we traded them within the division.
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Post by xanderbogaerts2 on Jul 29, 2014 17:41:09 GMT -5
Did the price go up for Lester already? "The Red Sox are asking for two high-end prospects in return for Lester, executives who are involved in talks tell Nightengale."
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 29, 2014 17:57:40 GMT -5
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Post by redsox1534 on Jul 29, 2014 18:08:11 GMT -5
Wish we could take Alex Jackson off the Mariners hands, but we cant trade for newly drafted players till next year I believe. Walker is who I would want in any deal with the Mariners. Id like to take a flier on Hultzen also.
Braves dont have alot to like in there system but in a trade for Miller they could offer Jason Hursh and id be happy. JR Graham would be great second piece to get in a trade with them I see him as a great bullpen arm.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 29, 2014 18:12:59 GMT -5
Its great for us though. Commence the bidding war!
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Post by templeusox on Jul 29, 2014 18:14:01 GMT -5
Jeff Passan ? @jeffpassan Sources: Pirates emerging as Lester darkhorse. Deal could possibly center around Josh Bell. News with @tbrownyahoo: yhoo.it/1nZxxajBoy did I nail that a month and a half ago.
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