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Post by taftreign on Apr 22, 2015 14:18:00 GMT -5
For reference Klaw has Fulmer listed as the 43rd best draft prospect or in other terms a second rounder.
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Post by ramireja on Apr 22, 2015 15:15:29 GMT -5
For reference Klaw has Fulmer listed as the 43rd best draft prospect or in other terms a second rounder. Law is generally uber-concerned with using mechanics and body type to project a pitcher as a starter or reliever. I'm not saying you shouldn't factor in those things, but I also don't think there is an industry consensus that Fulmer is a no-doubt reliever as Law suggests. If Boston is one of those teams that believes he could turn out more like Marcus Stroman or Sonny Gray, then I think its feasible they nab him at #7.
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Post by alnipper on Apr 22, 2015 15:30:08 GMT -5
At 7 you can be more picky and avoid taking a pitcher like Fulmer. I personally think he is higher than a 43 prospect however.
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Post by ramireja on Apr 22, 2015 15:52:38 GMT -5
At 7 you can be more picky and avoid taking a pitcher like Fulmer. I personally think he is higher than a 43 prospect however. In theory yes, you should be able to be pretty picky at No. 7. This year however, there are so many questions attached to the top tier guys (Matuella, Aiken, Kirby, Allard, etc.), that I'm just not sure I can name 7 guys I'd take before Fulmer.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Apr 22, 2015 15:56:26 GMT -5
Fulmer is definitely not a consensus guy, and it's easy to see why as his delivery screams reliever. But at the same time the dude has been dominant and it's not with get me over stuff either, its premium stuff. If it wasn't for the delivery he would be a strong 1-1 candidate.
I also don't see the Casey Weathers comps, Fulmer has dominated as a starter at the colligate level. I don't think Weathers ever started and if he did at least not to the same level of success.
Lastly Keith always has his opinions and it's good to have someone not afraid to put his opinions out there. But no team drafts based on what he thinks so some team might feel differently than he does on this matter. I don't think even he thinks Fulmer will last to the 2nd round, barring injury.
I definitly have guys that are more appealing to me, Nikorak, Tucker for example. But if the Red Sox have conviction that Fulmer can start, they have scouted him extensively we can say that, he should definitely be in the conversation.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 23, 2015 6:19:46 GMT -5
Law is pretty obtuse about him being a projected reliever. All it takes is one team who doesn't think that. And there are a lot more opinions than just Keith Law's.
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Post by taftreign on Apr 23, 2015 7:30:20 GMT -5
Law is pretty obtuse about him being a projected reliever. All it takes is one team who doesn't think that. And there are a lot more opinions than just Keith Law's. Don't interpret my posting to mean I take Keith's opinion as gospel. He clearly ranks him as a pure reliever. I think that's close minded when Fulmer has shown the ability to throw at least three average and above pitches with strong results. The reliver label appears to mainly focus on his delivery. Fulmer makes it work though with no injury concerns. And it's not as if a players mechanics can't be altered. Now this also doesn't mean he would necessarily be my pick at 7. Their are other quality options including Bregman, Funkhouser, Allard, Nikorak, Tucker and Plummer.
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Post by nomar on Apr 23, 2015 7:34:23 GMT -5
Is Plummer ranked that high on anyone's list? I haven't seen him anywhere near 7 really.
Happy would be a solid pick if we think he could stick at 2B.
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Post by sibbysisti on Apr 23, 2015 7:48:03 GMT -5
Law is pretty obtuse about him being a projected reliever. All it takes is one team who doesn't think that. And there are a lot more opinions than just Keith Law's. Keith Law is a well informed and knowledgeable baseball analyst. Obtuse, even if it is his evaluation of one particular prospect, is a strong word to describe his opinion. Don't always agree with his reviews, but he backs up his opinions with sound judgement.
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Post by ibsmith85 on Apr 23, 2015 11:01:41 GMT -5
Law is pretty obtuse about him being a projected reliever. All it takes is one team who doesn't think that. And there are a lot more opinions than just Keith Law's.
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Post by alnipper on Apr 23, 2015 11:02:16 GMT -5
I really hope we can draft a future number 1 in this draft.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Apr 23, 2015 11:26:13 GMT -5
I really hope we can draft a future number 1 in this draft. I think that's the goal every year. I mean, I don't think they go into draft day with a "Let's get a fringe middle reliever" mentality.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 23, 2015 11:36:58 GMT -5
Law is pretty obtuse about him being a projected reliever. All it takes is one team who doesn't think that. And there are a lot more opinions than just Keith Law's. Keith Law is a well informed and knowledgeable baseball analyst. Obtuse, even if it is his evaluation of one particular prospect, is a strong word to describe his opinion. Don't always agree with his reviews, but he backs up his opinions with sound judgement. His responses in the chats and some of his tweets reek of "what are you an idiot? He's a reliever, there's no way anyone is drafting him in the top 10"
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Post by kman22 on Apr 23, 2015 11:52:01 GMT -5
Law is pretty obtuse about him being a projected reliever. All it takes is one team who doesn't think that. And there are a lot more opinions than just Keith Law's. I had the exact same reaction.
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Post by iakovos11 on Apr 23, 2015 12:15:25 GMT -5
Me too. That's the first thing I thought of
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Post by jrffam05 on Apr 23, 2015 13:38:26 GMT -5
Third.. Immediately thought of Shawshank.
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Post by mannofsteele on Apr 23, 2015 13:40:46 GMT -5
Or Daredevil, which he's most recently cast
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Post by mannofsteele on Apr 23, 2015 13:48:23 GMT -5
I'm still infatuated with getting Aiken, I know there's a bit of misleading information out there on his TJ surgery, but the talent is tantilizing. Bregman has been someone I've been fond of since following him after the Sox drafted him the first time. While Fulmer has plus stuff, he seems like an over draft at 7. Sometimes that's not always a bad thing I suppose. I suppose I'd rather be taking a better option as some have previously said. Fullmer's numbers do look very solid though.
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Post by raftsox on Apr 23, 2015 14:14:15 GMT -5
Question for people who know more about this than I. For the upcoming July 2 period the Sox will not be able to spend more than $250 or $300k on a player, but they have the 6th largest bonus pool by virtue of being terrible in 2014. It stands to reason that they will trade away bonus $. They have lost their first 2 picks in the 2015 Amateur Draft (Comp pick from Oak and Second Round). Could they trade their "future" July 2 $ for a comp pick from another team to increase the # of early picks in this draft? Or, can they only trade international money when it's actually available to them?
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Post by kman22 on Apr 23, 2015 14:26:53 GMT -5
Question for people who know more about this than I. For the upcoming July 2 period the Sox will not be able to spend more than $250 or $300k on a player, but they have the 6th largest bonus pool by virtue of being terrible in 2014. It stands to reason that they will trade away bonus $. They have lost their first 2 picks in the 2015 Amateur Draft (Comp pick from Oak and Second Round). Could they trade their "future" July 2 $ for a comp pick from another team to increase the # of early picks in this draft? Or, can they only trade international money when it's actually available to them? They are allowed to trade their IFA pool, the real question is whether or not they'd find a taker.
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Post by jrffam05 on Apr 23, 2015 14:32:08 GMT -5
I'm still infatuated with getting Aiken, I know there's a bit of misleading information out there on his TJ surgery, but the talent is tantilizing. Bregman has been someone I've been fond of since following him after the Sox drafted him the first time. While Fulmer has plus stuff, he seems like an over draft at 7. Sometimes that's not always a bad thing I suppose. I suppose I'd rather be taking a better option as some have previously said. Fullmer's numbers do look very solid though. I think I'm on this boat too depending on his medical records, especially if you can get Aiken at a underslot deal to let us sign some over slots with our rounds 3-5 picks. I'd have to think that even with the injury he would have one of the highest ceilings in the draft. That coupled with the lack of choices makes an underslot deal seem favorable. A lot of personal bias and ignorance in this statement though.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 23, 2015 17:33:27 GMT -5
Third.. Immediately thought of Shawshank. Probably because I just watched it for the 100th time on Sunday.
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Post by danr on Apr 23, 2015 17:35:28 GMT -5
Pitchers seem to be coming back from TJ surgery pretty well these days. In fact, I can't think of one recently who wasn't able to come back. However, not all of them are as good as they were before the surgery. Also, some take much longer than others to recover. Dylan Bundy of the Orioles is one who has been slow to recover, but apparently is getting there.
Assuming there isn't something else in his medical record, Aiken probably would be the best player the Sox could get. But it could be 2017 before he pitches like he once did. The Sox can afford to wait for him.
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Post by alex710707 on Apr 23, 2015 17:53:14 GMT -5
Mike Nikorak
Now my favorite will be Mike Nikorak. There is too much risk for picking Brady Aiken and Michael Matuella.
Mike Nikorak 6'5/205., Plus FB: 94~97 mile, Plus curve ball, Good command for HS.
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Post by taftreign on Apr 24, 2015 12:03:33 GMT -5
If we're going to debate Fulmer who is a starter but some say he ends up a releiver then I may as well throw out the name Tyler Jay. 6-1, 185 lb LHP from Illinois who is being used in the pen as a late inning reliever but many believe he can start. Throws a mid 90's FB and a power curveball both of which he can locate reasonably well. His third pitch is a developing change up which he has to throw little in relief. Could be a possibility at 7 if the team can also save $750,000 to $1,000,000 on the budget which would be the relative price, $2.84 to $2.54 million, of around the 14th through 16th pick. With no 2nd rounder this would allow the team to push the 3rd round pick value of $742,400 up to $1.5 or $1.75 million in the instance an upside prospect falls or spread around the savings to get a few better quality players 3 through 5.
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