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Post by jmei on Apr 28, 2015 18:45:05 GMT -5
Under the new draft rules, I just don't think you can count on there being an overslot guy falling to you in the third round who is both (a) good enough to make it worth having forgone drafting the best player available at 7 and (b) who is signable for whatever cash you saved with an underslot deal at 7.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Apr 28, 2015 20:17:24 GMT -5
Agree with you, which is why I put it 4th. But I do think it's a possibility because of the lack of high end talent in this draft.
Yes I can't guarantee who will drop or even if someone will. But it does give you a lot of flexibility even for guys even beyond the 10th round. We've seen guys they have interest in but can't sign due to the rules. Perhaps they could if they saved enough at the top.
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Post by jmei on Apr 28, 2015 20:31:47 GMT -5
We've seen guys they have interest in but can't sign due to the rules. Perhaps they could if they saved enough at the top. Were any of those guys really signable and worth the money, though? Guys like Ryan Boldt, Jordan Sheffield, Fulmer, and Bregman were basically unsignable for any reasonable number, if I remember correctly. I guess the poster child for this sort of thing is Ty Buttrey, who was once (and may be again) a pretty promising guy.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Apr 28, 2015 21:00:51 GMT -5
We've seen guys they have interest in but can't sign due to the rules. Perhaps they could if they saved enough at the top. Were any of those guys really signable and worth the money, though? Guys like Ryan Boldt, Jordan Sheffield, Fulmer, and Bregman were basically unsignable for any reasonable number, if I remember correctly. I guess the poster child for this sort of thing is Ty Buttrey, who was once (and may be again) a pretty promising guy. They apparently came close on Fulmer so he wasn't unsignable they just didn't have the ability to create more funds. I remember Boldt took a tour to Fenway so I guess he too was more about not having the funds. There was also a time Sheffied seemed open to signing. Bregman was pretty much set on going to college I think. That's all off the top of my head. I'd say they could have gotten Fulmer and Sheffield with a bit more flexibility.
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Post by kman22 on Apr 28, 2015 23:39:41 GMT -5
Everyone is ready for Aiken to fall to the Yankees at 16, right? I just want everyone to prepare mentally for that right now. I try not to engage too much in the whole NYY paranoia thing but it's just too perfect here. I can see that. I don't like it. Ideally to me, the Sox unload some of their July 2 IFA bonus pool and maybe pick up a comp balance pick or two. Then they sign Aiken at 7 for an under-slot deal and use the substantial savings (hopefully he'd be amenable to taking a high-teens bonus since he's being predicted as low 20s at best) to pick up some sandwich-round talent later on, a la Mookie, Cecchini, and Coyle. Maybe they get one or (if very lucky) two more top-50 talents along with a guy who has 1-1 ability. With a loaded farm system, and Kopech and Ball looking pretty good, I think a shot at a rare talent, risky as it may be, is warranted. They'd lose the comp pick and get back the pick from the Lester deal. Still in the late 60's/early 70's if I'm not mistaken.
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Post by juniorp90 on Apr 29, 2015 8:00:40 GMT -5
He still has time to change one of our OF (Craig, Victorino, Nava, Bradley Jr. and more), for a compensation pick ... In this moment of the season, if I were GM that was my priority # 1
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Post by Guidas on Apr 29, 2015 8:15:07 GMT -5
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Post by telson13 on Apr 29, 2015 11:16:54 GMT -5
Hahaha! Well played, sir. I honestly hope they pick him up in the 7-10th rd range. How could they *not*?!
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Post by jmei on Apr 29, 2015 12:26:12 GMT -5
Not to shut down a mediocre joke, but he was draft eligible last year (I think) and they didn't take him. He's not going to be eligible again for two years.
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Post by jdb on Apr 29, 2015 12:33:45 GMT -5
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Post by nomar on Apr 29, 2015 12:53:31 GMT -5
Yeah I think my personal board of people who have a shot of reaching us would be
Bregman Tucker Nikorak Fulmer Allard
But I think Fulmer follows Bregman for us, and we haven't had any connection to Tucker as far as I have heard.
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Post by jhenrywaugh, prop. on Apr 29, 2015 18:49:29 GMT -5
My understanding is that it's mostly journalists (and I include most blogs in this category) getting fed bad or exaggerated information. Sometimes it's just because a guy throwing fast makes for a good story, sometimes the scout source has an agenda. ADD: a more banal explanation is that for draftees and in ST, sometimes a guy will overthrow when there are lots of scouts in the stands because velo gets you paid/promoted. This had me thinking back to Porcello when he was draft-eligible. Perfect Game had him up to 98: www.perfectgame.org/Players/Playerprofile.aspx?ID=46585But I think he was throwing mid-90s with the Tigers for a couple years as well, no? Did he dial it down to gain command? The guy pitching tonight doesn't seem to be capable of reaching back for that much.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 29, 2015 22:42:34 GMT -5
I guess the consensus right now is that the Sox will likely choose Bregman if he's available (which is a possibility) or Fulmer (if Bregman is not available, given the thought that Fulmer is more likely to be around for #7). And we can forget the Sox gambling on a high upside injured arm like Aiken or Matuella?
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Post by nomar on Apr 29, 2015 23:02:02 GMT -5
Yes, almost any reputable source has said there's basically zero chance we take Aiken or Matuella
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Post by rismith on Apr 30, 2015 7:34:54 GMT -5
Give me Nikorak or Allard. I just don't see what adding Bregman to the system gets us. We have multiple high end middle infielders and adding a college one that will be blocked for years only gives us a trade chip which is expensive for the 4-5M he will cost. I would rather add a high profile arm.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Apr 30, 2015 8:36:12 GMT -5
Give me Nikorak or Allard. I just don't see what adding Bregman to the system gets us. We have multiple high end middle infielders and adding a college one that will be blocked for years only gives us a trade chip which is expensive for the 4-5M he will cost. I would rather add a high profile arm. You take the best player available. Period. This should not be a consideration.
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Post by ramireja on Apr 30, 2015 9:27:53 GMT -5
I don't think there is any consensus as to who we will pick. The sox don't exactly reveal their hand. As far as I remember, we had no ties to Ball, Chavis, or Kopech in the last two drafts. For all we know, they love guys like Nikorak or Tucker.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Apr 30, 2015 10:07:50 GMT -5
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Post by jrffam05 on Apr 30, 2015 11:05:16 GMT -5
From this article Quality analysis there from Mayo.
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 30, 2015 14:30:01 GMT -5
I'll even go further out on that limb: If Aiken doesn't go in the top 10, the Astros still won't be the team that takes him.
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Post by azblue on May 1, 2015 13:14:30 GMT -5
NFL draft: 25. Carolina: Shaq Thompson, LB, Washington
Analysis: The 6-foot, 228-pound Thompson was the winner of the Paul Hornung Award, given to the nation’s most versatile player. He scored six touchdowns in 2014 — four on defense and two as a running back. He even started at tailback against Colorado last year and ran for 174 yards and a touchdown on 15 carries and caught two passes for 41 yards
Versatility did not extend to hitting a baseball.
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Post by Guidas on May 3, 2015 16:39:39 GMT -5
Would the possibility of trading draft picks be part of the next CBA or is it an ownership committee decision?
It certainly would make the draft so much more interesting, and offer teams to leverage pick into immediate MLB nor near MLB-ready talent if they're so disposed (and thus potentially offer them the ability to improve more quickly). Even if it was just restricted to picks in the first 4 rounds with their accompanying slot money it could get the process a lot closer to the NFL draft in terms of fan interest - especially for fans who don't have a clue about college and HS kids but who can see how having a top 10 pick could suddenly lead to established MLB players or minor leaguers on the cusp of MLB.
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Post by jdb on May 4, 2015 8:00:33 GMT -5
I know there's been talk about punting the pick and if there was a way to do it. Jamis Winston deal with the Bucs states he can't play baseball.
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Post by jmei on May 4, 2015 8:07:40 GMT -5
I know there's been talk about punting the pick and if there was a way to do it. Jamis Winston deal with the Bucs states he can't play baseball. Drafting him would be the definition of bad faith.
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Post by jdb on May 4, 2015 8:20:13 GMT -5
I think we'll have some good options at 7 but I wouldn't think anything about drafting Winston to punt as a draft strategy. Why is that any different than drafting a kid from a service academy who's already scheduled to head over seas and giving him 10k to play for a month?
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