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Post by jmei on May 4, 2015 9:16:40 GMT -5
I think we'll have some good options at 7 but I wouldn't think anything about drafting Winston to punt as a draft strategy. Why is that any different than drafting a kid from a service academy who's already scheduled to head over seas and giving him 10k to play for a month? There's a big difference between signing an underslot guy in the 6th round (permitted and perhaps even encouraged by the draft rules) and drafting a guy 7th overall who is not a legitimate baseball talent and has zero shot of signing. You might as well draft Tom Brady.
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Post by prangerx on May 4, 2015 9:35:51 GMT -5
The Aiken situation just baffles me. What were his people thinking last year? They had to know he probably wouldn't even get the Astros last offer this year. He should have bit the bullet and signed. What did not signing get him? Maybe its understandable under the old rules where you can drop and get paid overslot. But in these new rules there is no way he would get the same offer this year. He surely wasn't gonna be selected first with his elbow troubles.
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Post by kman22 on May 4, 2015 11:33:45 GMT -5
I think we'll have some good options at 7 but I wouldn't think anything about drafting Winston to punt as a draft strategy. Why is that any different than drafting a kid from a service academy who's already scheduled to head over seas and giving him 10k to play for a month? There's a big difference between signing an underslot guy in the 6th round (permitted and perhaps even encouraged by the draft rules) and drafting a guy 7th overall who is not a legitimate baseball talent and has zero shot of signing. You might as well draft Tom Brady. Tom Brady isn't eligible for the draft anymore.
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Post by jrffam05 on May 4, 2015 12:02:08 GMT -5
You have to offer a certain amount of the slot amount that the player must turn down in order for it to be protected. I don't recall off the top of my head the exact amount, I think it is 60% (or 40%), forgive me for not looking it up at the moment.
I'm on the Aiken train also, depending on his medicals which teams will get before the draft. If it is a BAU Tommy John surgery with no other problems I'm all for taking him at #7.
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Post by greatscottcooper on May 4, 2015 12:46:13 GMT -5
I would be completely ok with drafting Aiken or Matuella and offering a below slot signing. Aiken is looking at a pay-cut no matter what and if the Sox offered and under slot deal in the 2.2-2.8 million range that is still life changing money. Surgery is no guarantee, he might never recover and his next pay day could be 100K. If he bites, you get a TOTR talent potentially and and extra 1.4 million to spend. If he doesn't, then you still have a top 10 pick next year.
Some may say "that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard" and I would probably agree. I'm no GM, nor do I think I'm as smart as one so perhaps that's a horrible ideal. But could it work? who knows what these kids are thinking right now and as I said...that's still life changing money to someone is facing surgery and recovery time when they should be building up their stock.
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Post by vermontsox1 on May 4, 2015 13:53:59 GMT -5
I would be completely ok with drafting Aiken or Matuella and offering a below slot signing. Aiken is looking at a pay-cut no matter what and if the Sox offered and under slot deal in the 2.2-2.8 million range that is still life changing money. Surgery is no guarantee, he might never recover and his next pay day could be 100K. If he bites, you get a TOTR talent potentially and and extra 1.4 million to spend. If he doesn't, then you still have a top 10 pick next year. Some may say "that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard" and I would probably agree. I'm no GM, nor do I think I'm as smart as one so perhaps that's a horrible ideal. But could it work? who knows what these kids are thinking right now and as I said...that's still life changing money to someone is facing surgery and recovery time when they should be building up their stock. High profile guys who slip due to injury almost never sign for significantly below slot.
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Post by greatscottcooper on May 4, 2015 15:46:47 GMT -5
I would be completely ok with drafting Aiken or Matuella and offering a below slot signing. Aiken is looking at a pay-cut no matter what and if the Sox offered and under slot deal in the 2.2-2.8 million range that is still life changing money. Surgery is no guarantee, he might never recover and his next pay day could be 100K. If he bites, you get a TOTR talent potentially and and extra 1.4 million to spend. If he doesn't, then you still have a top 10 pick next year. Some may say "that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard" and I would probably agree. I'm no GM, nor do I think I'm as smart as one so perhaps that's a horrible ideal. But could it work? who knows what these kids are thinking right now and as I said...that's still life changing money to someone is facing surgery and recovery time when they should be building up their stock. High profile guys who slip due to injury almost never sign for significantly below slot. Soooooooooo, You're saying there's a chance???
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Post by alnipper on May 4, 2015 16:22:36 GMT -5
I want Hooper drafted by the Red Sox. It is to bad we lost draft picks, because it is a deep draft. To bad it does not have much healthy elite talent.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on May 4, 2015 18:50:14 GMT -5
Definitely use the pick. Decent chance we're picking in Top 10 again next year. Our kids aren't developing quickly in the bigs and our pitching sucks. Recipe for disaster.
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Post by James Dunne on May 4, 2015 18:53:10 GMT -5
Definitely use the pick. Decent chance we're picking in Top 10 again next year. Our kids aren't developing quickly in the bigs and our pitching sucks. Recipe for disaster. Even if you're right, the counter-argument would be that they'd end up with two picks in next year's possibly better draft.
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Post by pedroelgrande on May 5, 2015 11:42:31 GMT -5
And one last given we have been talking about it.
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Post by Guidas on May 5, 2015 13:05:08 GMT -5
Keith Law posted his top 100 on Insider. Some excerpts: This year's draft class is indeed one of the weakest in recent memory, not just at the top of the first round, but also in specific areas that are usually deeper, such as college starting pitching and catchers of any stripe. There is, however, a lot of depth in the middle infield, and this draft seems likely to produce as many major league regulars as any class.Further clarifies in the video saying it's basically "the worst draft in about 15 years." His top 11: Rodgers Newman Swanson Tate Akkard Bregman Happ Whitley Beuhler Tucker Funkhauser Whole piece at the link above.
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Post by taftreign on May 5, 2015 13:56:45 GMT -5
Keith Law posted his top 100 on Insider. Some excerpts: This year's draft class is indeed one of the weakest in recent memory, not just at the top of the first round, but also in specific areas that are usually deeper, such as college starting pitching and catchers of any stripe. There is, however, a lot of depth in the middle infield, and this draft seems likely to produce as many major league regulars as any class.Further clarifies in the video saying it's basically "the worst draft in about 15 years." His top 11: Rodgers Newman Swanson Tate Akkard Bregman Happ Whitley Beuhler Tucker Funkhauser Whole piece at the link above. How about in the third round they draft Mariano Rivera Jr. That ought to get Yankee fan's goats for a long while.
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Post by Guidas on May 5, 2015 14:03:30 GMT -5
I think at this point I'm all in for Bueller unless someone falls from top 4 for some inexplicable reason.
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Post by jhenrywaugh, prop. on May 5, 2015 15:01:16 GMT -5
Law also had a post yesterday that focuses on Stephenson and includes some first-round gossip: insider.espn.go.com/blog/keith-law/insider/post?id=3890His speculation amounts to something of a mock draft: 1. Dbacks: Stephenson/Whitley 2. Astros: Swanson 3. Rockies: Tate 4. Rangers: Buehler 5. Astros: Cameron 6. Twins: Allard 7. R Sox: Bregman 8. W Sox: Funkhouser/Jay/Kirby 9. Cubs: Clark I've not seen Funkhouser this low. I think it's safe to assume Bregman is high on Boston's board, but how high, I wonder?
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Post by alnipper on May 5, 2015 15:05:56 GMT -5
Aiken could still be a solid risk.
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Post by texs31 on May 5, 2015 15:11:48 GMT -5
If we are translating the comments to Keith's Mock we should really put Rodgers at 4 based on his comments.
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Post by kman22 on May 5, 2015 15:15:40 GMT -5
If we are translating the comments to Keith's Mock we should really put Rodgers at 4 based on his comments. Yeah, wouldn't he be a no brainer pick at #7 in that mock.
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Post by jhenrywaugh, prop. on May 5, 2015 15:32:40 GMT -5
If we are translating the comments to Keith's Mock we should really put Rodgers at 4 based on his comments. Sorry, yes, that was my mistake. Would look more like this. His speculation amounts to something of a mock draft: 1. Dbacks: Stephenson/Whitley 2. Astros: Swanson 3. Rockies: Tate 4. Rangers: Rodgers 5. Astros: Cameron 6. Twins: Allard 7. R Sox: Bregman 8. W Sox: Funkhouser/Jay/Kirby 9. Cubs: Clark
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Post by sarasoxer on May 5, 2015 17:56:57 GMT -5
To taftreign:
The Sox once drafted Eddie Ford, SS and son of Yankee great, Whitey Ford. It caused hardly a ripple in the time-fabric. He quickly washed out and that ripple never made it to shore.
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Post by mookiemagicfan on May 6, 2015 11:07:11 GMT -5
I am in the draft Aiken (please!) boat. Last year? He was the unquestioned 1-1. I understand he had a different tj surgery than most...but in a draft this thin of high end talent, where once the top 4 or so are gone, it really is about the next best available...which in stronger drafts, most of the 6-15 prospects wouldn't even make the first round. So please dear jebus (and yes I meant to say jebus) draft the kid who can (potentially) be the next great ace of the RS for the next 15 years. I obviously say this with the thought that the RS will do their due diligence on his medical.
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Post by vermontsox1 on May 6, 2015 11:14:37 GMT -5
Kyler Murray, the toolsy Texas A&M football recruit, opted out of the MLB draft, per his own twitter handle.
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Post by steveofbradenton on May 6, 2015 11:15:41 GMT -5
I am in the draft Aiken (please!) boat. Last year? He was the unquestioned 1-1. I understand he had a different tj surgery than most...but in a draft this thin of high end talent, where once the top 4 or so are gone, it really is about the next best available...which in stronger drafts, most of the 6-15 prospects wouldn't even make the first round. So please dear jebus (and yes I meant to say jebus) draft the kid who can (potentially) be the next great ace of the RS for the next 15 years. I obviously say this with the thought that the RS will do their due diligence on his medical. There are a few of us on here who are totally with you. I like Bregman, for example, but a solid 2nd baseman (I think he may end up there) is not close to being equal to a possible #2 starter. I will say it all the way to June 5th. go for Aiken or Allard. High-end lefty starters are always difficult to find.
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Post by steveofbradenton on May 6, 2015 11:20:06 GMT -5
Kyler Murray, the toolsy Texas A&M football recruit, opted out of the MLB draft, per his own twitter handle. Not terribly surprised as he is the #1 HS quarterback in the nation, and he is Texas A&M's prize signing. Hopefully, the kid is smart, and plays both sports for the Aggies. When he is a junior, he could be a much better baseball prospect as his size may hurt him in the eyes of the NFL.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 6, 2015 12:15:16 GMT -5
Kyler Murray, the toolsy Texas A&M football recruit, opted out of the MLB draft, per his own twitter handle. This technically isn't a thing, so he'll get picked late and just not sign.
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