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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 2, 2014 13:33:42 GMT -5
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Post by mattpicard on Dec 2, 2014 13:39:12 GMT -5
I can not seem to find the podcast. Is it behind a paywall? Nope! It's on the news page. Here's a direct link to the stream: 12/1/14 SP PodcastOr a couple. This is a recurring issue, and soon he's going to have to face some repercussions. I guess I just think of that page as the archive for old podcasts, not where people go to listen to the new ones. The new podcasts are always posted on the News Page. Guess I'll make that page more of a priority. I think a lot more people than you may think use that page -- it's always been the first place I check, and seems like it is for a few others in here as well. I'm happy to throw them up there on occasions where you just put it on the news page, but I don't want to act without your permission, boss. ADD: .. wait, this isn't a thread about SP Podcasts?!
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 2, 2014 13:42:16 GMT -5
I'll do it tonight.
Last point on the podcast: it really does help us out a lot more if people subscribe on iTunes, Stitcher, TuneIn radio, etc.
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Post by bsout2 on Dec 2, 2014 13:42:18 GMT -5
I can not seem to find the podcast. Is it behind a paywall? Nope! It's on the news page. Here's a direct link to the stream: 12/1/14 SP PodcastI guess I just think of that page as the archive for old podcasts, not where people go to listen to the new ones. The new podcasts are always posted on the News Page. Guess I'll make that page more of a priority. I think a lot more people than you may think use that page -- it's always been the first place I check, and seems like it is for a few others in here as well. I'm happy to throw them up there on occasions where you just put it on the news page, but I don't want to act without your permission, boss. ADD: .. wait, this isn't a thread about SP Podcasts?! Thanks, I was way off.
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Post by danr on Dec 2, 2014 15:35:54 GMT -5
I just listened to the podcast and I strongly recommend it. I learned a lot.
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Post by redsox1534 on Dec 2, 2014 17:03:46 GMT -5
Interesting no love for Ball.
Chavis deserves the recognition for me.
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Post by charliezink16 on Dec 2, 2014 17:12:51 GMT -5
After listening to the podcast, I think that I've been severely underestimating Manny Margot's speed. If he gets the call to Portland in the latter half of the season, I fully plan on trekking out to a game. Great job on the podcast guys, as usual.
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Post by jmei on Dec 2, 2014 22:24:05 GMT -5
I believe the comments to the BP article don't require a subscription, and there's lots of great discussion there, including Al Scorupa elaborating on Betts v. Bogaerts and pumping the brakes somewhat on Vazquez.
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Post by Guidas on Dec 3, 2014 21:59:08 GMT -5
FWIW Mellen said on Twitter he sees Owens as a 3/4.
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Post by larrycook on Dec 3, 2014 22:34:32 GMT -5
Interesting no love for Ball. Chavis deserves the recognition for me. I am a huge ball fan, but not even I expected him to be a top 10 prospect. However if he starts off 2015 as he ended 2014 and continues to improve his command and control, then next year he will rate very high on this list.
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Post by dmaineah on Dec 4, 2014 10:40:05 GMT -5
FWIW Mellen said on Twitter he sees Owens as a 3/4. Isn't that what his ceiling has always been projected as?
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Dec 4, 2014 11:07:37 GMT -5
FWIW Mellen said on Twitter he sees Owens as a 3/4. Isn't that what his ceiling has always been projected as? By pretty much everyone but K/9 fetishists, yes.
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Post by jmei on Dec 4, 2014 11:23:07 GMT -5
To be fair, if there's one stat that is fairly fetishized for pitchers, it's strikeouts.
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Post by thursty on Dec 4, 2014 11:51:18 GMT -5
Skopula: "This is the reason Xander is a shortstop (for a few years at least) and Mookie isn't - and it is a big difference, but line these two up on a field and Betts is a vastly superior athlete and runner with much louder defensive tools."
Yup
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Post by buffs4444 on Dec 4, 2014 12:09:06 GMT -5
Isn't that what his ceiling has always been projected as? By pretty much everyone but K/9 fetishists, yes. would've gone with WHIP fetishists.....for the double entendre alone....
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 4, 2014 17:02:45 GMT -5
Chris Mellen and the BP Prospect Staff released their Red Sox top ten today: Link1) C Blake Swihart 2) LHP Henry Owens 3) CF Manuel Margot 4) LHP Eduardo Rodriguez 5) 3B Rafael Devers 6) INF Michael Chavis 7) RHP Matt Barnes 8) 3B/OF Garin Cecchini 9) LHP Brian Johnson 10) RHP Michael Kopech I was a little surprised to see Kopech in there, but based on upside it makes sense. Pretty much what we would have expected. I'm surprised that Johnson is that low. Was thinking he'd be low top 100 player after last year.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Dec 4, 2014 17:10:59 GMT -5
To be fair, if there's one stat that is fairly fetishized for pitchers, it's strikeouts. I don't disagree but even so I think their importance is exaggerated by some when it comes to Owens.
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Post by mredsox89 on Dec 4, 2014 17:15:45 GMT -5
FWIW Mellen said on Twitter he sees Owens as a 3/4. Isn't that what his ceiling has always been projected as? There is such a disconnect between scouts and most other people who talk about the Sox. It feels like many writers/talking heads talk about Owens as being the successor to Lester and a top flight starter, while I don't know if anyone who actually scouts people has ever put anything other than his absolute ceiling anywhere close to that level. So many fans, those who don't follow the boards, scouts, etc, have this idea that Owens is going to be the next superstar produced from this system, and I can't help but imagine the outrage if/when he isn't that good
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Post by Guidas on Dec 4, 2014 17:31:20 GMT -5
Cafardo stated uncategorically yesterday on MLB radio with Russo while talking all things Sox that Boston turned down an Owens for Samardijza trade with the Cubs this past summer before. Now, it is Cafardo, but he did not equivocate. If true (and we'll prob never know) turn that around in your brain for a moment.
I know the value of a 3/4 in today's game, but I also know some orgs can fall in love with certain guys and over-value them. Let's hope that's not the case here.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 4, 2014 17:48:06 GMT -5
I see Owens as a 2/3, not a 3/4. When you look at his stats they are very good. Has a plus plus change up and a plus to better curve. 88 to 92 fastball with late bite. Projects to have a 90 to 92 fastball as he matures. Can also get his fastball above 92 from time to time. For me his low ranking outlook is due to his fastball not being elite. I'd take a 90-92 fastball with late tail or a 95 fastball with not movement. Owens is our best left handed pitching prospect since Lester. Don't think we'll be disappointed when he reaches the majors.
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Post by iakovos11 on Dec 4, 2014 18:09:45 GMT -5
You may ultimately be right. I might tend to agree.
But to clarify, the biggest reason he isn't thought of higher than a 3/4 by many is his lack of command, not a fastball that isn't above 94mph. If he can improve his command, he definitely has more upside than a 3/4.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 4, 2014 18:31:52 GMT -5
Also to make a small point, viewing somebody as a 3/4 is not the same as saying someone has a 3/4 ceiling. Projection vs. ceiling, let's not mix the two.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 4, 2014 18:40:15 GMT -5
Is his command better then Webster? You rank their command the same, just Owens has gotten much better results on his whip, era, and k's/ball stats.
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Post by iakovos11 on Dec 4, 2014 18:56:58 GMT -5
To clarify, as I understand it, the concern with Owens, especially after this year, is command more than control. So he may have limited his walks more this past year, but there is still some question as to whether he has the command within the strike zone to effectively get out major league hitters.
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Post by sarasoxer on Dec 4, 2014 19:28:50 GMT -5
I see Owens as a 2/3, not a 3/4. When you look at his stats they are very good. Has a plus plus change up and a plus to better curve. 88 to 92 fastball with late bite. Projects to have a 90 to 92 fastball as he matures. Can also get his fastball above 92 from time to time. For me his low ranking outlook is due to his fastball not being elite. I'd take a 90-92 fastball with late tail or a 95 fastball with not movement. Owens is our best left handed pitching prospect since Lester. Don't think we'll be disappointed when he reaches the majors. Honestly I don't think a projection of 3-4 is off target and may be high. Regardless, he is presented as our best MILB pitching prospect. That is somewhat discouraging especially given our current MLB lacking. People saying he can hit 94 mph are considerably off the mark. For years SP has been saying that he could add velocity. I have watched him in person over parts of several years and he has had but a very slight velocity uptick. He operates b/t 88 on the low end and very occasionally (once or twice a game) at 92 at the top. The higher reading has been on the Portland gun which has been portrayed as generous. Yes, his stats were great at AA....not so much at AAA. The major leagues??? I question whether, without impeccable command, Owens will be greatly successful against advanced, patient hitters. His curve is very slow and loopy when I have seen it making it seemingly toothless and rendering him more a 2 pitch pitcher. Personally I like Johnson better....a sort of latter day Buerhle.
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