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Red Sox to sign RHP Alexi Ogando
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jan 30, 2015 19:05:35 GMT -5
Pete Abraham ?@peteabe 29s30 seconds ago #RedSox announce Ogando signing and DFA Drake Britton to make room on the 40-man roster. Here we go...
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Post by sarasoxer on Jan 30, 2015 19:24:51 GMT -5
Pete Abraham ?@peteabe 29s30 seconds ago #RedSox announce Ogando signing and DFA Drake Britton to make room on the 40-man roster. Here we go... Not terribly surprising... I did not see Britton on a World Champion team bullpen.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 20:03:33 GMT -5
Barring injury, at least three of these guys are going to be unhappy coming out of camp.
Brandon Workman Zeke Spruill Tommy Layne Anthony Varvaro
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Post by xanderbogaerts2 on Jan 30, 2015 20:25:58 GMT -5
Barring injury, at least three of these guys are going to be unhappy coming out of camp. Brandon Workman Zeke Spruill Tommy Layne Anthony Varvaro I think Workman or Varvaro will make it
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Post by jmei on Jan 30, 2015 20:39:03 GMT -5
Pete Abraham ?@peteabe 29s30 seconds ago #RedSox announce Ogando signing and DFA Drake Britton to make room on the 40-man roster. Here we go...
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 30, 2015 21:57:43 GMT -5
Barring injury, at least three of these guys are going to be unhappy coming out of camp. Brandon Workman Zeke Spruill Tommy Layne Anthony Varvaro Add Wright to that list and Varvaro has no options and wouldn't clear waivers and I doubt if he'd accept a Pawtucket assignment. If everyone is healthy, just like the outfield, there will likely be a trade this spring.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 30, 2015 22:01:47 GMT -5
If he's healthy Ogando is a good signing. He can definitely help the bullpen as a little inning option.
I read that this signing might make Mujica expendable, but I wouldn't be that quick to dump him. He was awful the first half of the season, but he pitched very well in the second half and is a viable option as closer if Uehara needs a breather. Mujica pitched very well in 2013 and I think he's capable of pitching better than he did in 2014.
I think Ogando, Mujica, and Uehara will be doing the bulk of the pitching in the 8th and 9th innings while Tazawa, Ross, Breslow, and Varvaro will probably do their bulk of the pitching in the 6th and 7th innings.
I do wonder why Badenhop has yet to sign. He'll be a good pickup for some team. If Mujica was dealt, he'd be a good pickup for Boston, but given how many options the Sox have, and they have minor league ones like Layne, Workman, Spruill, etc, they probably don't have much room for Badenhop at this point.
It's obvious that Ben C. is collecting a lot of good depth this offseason.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 30, 2015 22:42:56 GMT -5
Excellent article. Bottom line, if he's healthy, this could be an impact signing, if not, we've lost a few bucks and Drake Britton. I'm sure the Sox know the medicals and have determined they are worth the risk.
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Post by Guidas on Jan 30, 2015 22:56:09 GMT -5
For the money, great signing.
I have a feeling Britton will not only catch on with another team, he'll probably be in the league for 10 more years.
Moral: Teach all your kids to throw left-handed.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 31, 2015 1:17:08 GMT -5
Good solid move.
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Post by ericmvan on Jan 31, 2015 1:17:59 GMT -5
If you have Tazawa, Varvaro (who's really good), and Ogando all as RH setup guys, and Ross and Breslow as your LH setup guys, what kind of pitcher are you looking for, for the last spot in the pen? Clue: not another RH setup guy.
So I have to believe Mujica is a goner, and Workman will be in Pawtucket; he could start (which would appear to be continued flogging of a dead horse) or, I would hope, they could have him close, and took a good long look at the idea that his stuff plays up better in the pen.
The two things that would be helpful would be:
-- a long reliever -- a LH who is deathly tough on LHB, since both Ross and Breslow are neutral or even reverse split types (as is Dana Eveland).
So if they do move Mujica, they have an interesting choice between:
-- Wright in the MLB pen, Layne in the PawSox pen, Escobar in the PawSox rotation, and -- Layne in the MLB pen, Wright in the PawSox rotation, and Escobar in the PawSox pen
If there is a ST injury to a starter, then Wright and Workman "compete" for the open slot and I sure hope they realize that there is no rational argument that Workman is better.
If there is a ST injury to one of the RH setup guys, I think we're all comfortable with Workman filling that role, so that would not change the equation for filling the last bullpen spot.
If there is a ST injury to either Ross or Breslow, I think Eveland has a real shot at being the fill-in, and since Ross has options left it's even conceivable that Eveland beats him out for the second LHR job. (Between the likelihood of moving Mujica and the chance of moving Craig in ST, there's likely to be a 40-man spot open.)
They should be able to get a C prospect for Britton.
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Post by Guidas on Jan 31, 2015 2:25:51 GMT -5
So Ross is a lefty now? I mean except for being left handed he can't get lefties out so he's really a righty, right? Which means Layne probably says up and Workman and Wright start in Pawtucket.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 31, 2015 3:47:55 GMT -5
For the money, great signing. I have a feeling Britton will not only catch on with another team, he'll probably be in the league for 10 more years. Moral: Teach all your kids to throw left-handed. Interesting tidbit I learned a few days ago. Eduardo Rodriguez is a natural right hander. As a kid, he broke his right arm and has thrown lefty ever since. It can be done. I know myself, I could have been equally good from either side, I'm ambisinistrous.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 31, 2015 3:51:43 GMT -5
If you have Tazawa, Varvaro (who's really good), and Ogando all as RH setup guys, and Ross and Breslow as your LH setup guys, what kind of pitcher are you looking for, for the last spot in the pen? Clue: not another RH setup guy. So I have to believe Mujica is a goner, and Workman will be in Pawtucket; he could start (which would appear to be continued flogging of a dead horse) or, I would hope, they could have him close, and took a good long look at the idea that his stuff plays up better in the pen. The two things that would be helpful would be: -- a long reliever -- a LH who is deathly tough on LHB, since both Ross and Breslow are neutral or even reverse split types (as is Dana Eveland). So if they do move Mujica, they have an interesting choice between: -- Wright in the MLB pen, Layne in the PawSox pen, Escobar in the PawSox rotation, and -- Layne in the MLB pen, Wright in the PawSox rotation, and Escobar in the PawSox pen If there is a ST injury to a starter, then Wright and Workman "compete" for the open slot and I sure hope they realize that there is no rational argument that Workman is better. If there is a ST injury to one of the RH setup guys, I think we're all comfortable with Workman filling that role, so that would not change the equation for filling the last bullpen spot. If there is a ST injury to either Ross or Breslow, I think Eveland has a real shot at being the fill-in, and since Ross has options left it's even conceivable that Eveland beats him out for the second LHR job. (Between the likelihood of moving Mujica and the chance of moving Craig in ST, there's likely to be a 40-man spot open.) They should be able to get a C prospect for Britton. And if they move Mujica as part of a swap for a one year rental like Iwakuma, et al, then Kelly could be the long man. Ben's a man with options, lots of options. Wright, Workman, Layne and Escobar could all be fighting for who rides shotgun on the PawSox bus. I'd find it difficult to believe that Britton isn't going to return a 'C' ticket. Minimum wage major league ready lefties don't fall from trees.
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Post by GyIantosca on Jan 31, 2015 9:01:11 GMT -5
I don't know if this is good or bad but as much as the Sox try they go back to there old ways of picking up veterans to man the bullpen. There might not be many in agreement but I will miss Britton. My only point to make is he never got a shot at the bullpen last year the Sox went with veterans that had spots locked on the roster and of course Britton had the option to go to AAA. It reminded me of Igelsis before they dealt him for Peavy. He was stuck in AAA and eventually it look like he was bored down there. So I wish Britton the best.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Jan 31, 2015 9:40:47 GMT -5
You can't glean much about a player's health for one workout. By the way, I am going to take Zeke Spruill in the death pool this time.I'd like to buy the "Drake Britton" square. This goes back to the Britton v Layne contretemps around here, but I think Robbie Ross changes the calculus there and makes Britton eminently expendable. Maybe they try to trade him for a needed org guy or something ... <victory lap> As for who stays for the last spot in the bullpen, I'd give Workman the inside track, but we'll see. I'm more and more convinced that they think Wright's the first guy to spot start if needed (until one of the lefties or Barnes is ready later in the year), so if they think he can fill the traditional "swing man" role of a Ramiro Mendoza, they may keep him in Boston. But there just aren't many situations where they use a reliever for 3 innings anymore, so I don't see that role being available. You can't keep a guy stretched out enough. But Workman can give you the 1.2 innings they sometimes need, even go into a third if disaster strikes in a Clay Buchholz 2.1 inning meltdown. But, since Wright's not a traditional profile, maybe they think he can go from 1-2 inning stints to a spot start more efficiently than others and not take up a rotation spot in Pawtucket for the sixth starter. Could be true. And, I said this before, but I think Layne rides the shuttle. I don't see a true LOOGY holding down a spot in the bullpen ... he'll be valuable in the playoffs, so he's worth a 40-man, but I don't think the Sox like breaking up innings if they don't have to. The Sox like guys who can take care of a clean inning all by themselves. To them, the perfect bullpen usage is that you get guys up in a specific order, march them through the last 3+ innings with one guy starting and ending the innings, ending with Koji holding down the fort in the 9th without having to warm anyone up. This maximizes the efficiency of the pitchers workload over the season.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 31, 2015 10:02:50 GMT -5
For Workman (or Wright) to make it, assuming health, somebody has to go (no options):
Koji Taz Mujica Varvaro Ogando Ross Breslow
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Post by jmei on Jan 31, 2015 10:03:59 GMT -5
For Workman to make it, assuming health, somebody has to go (no options): Koji Taz Mujica Varvaro Ogando Ross Breslow Ross has options.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 31, 2015 10:07:10 GMT -5
For Workman to make it, assuming health, somebody has to go (no options): Koji Taz Mujica Varvaro Ogando Ross Breslow Ross has options. Ah OK, just saw that in Sox Prospects 40 man. Original article someplace said no options.
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Post by jmei on Jan 31, 2015 10:14:36 GMT -5
The two things that would be helpful would be: -- a long reliever -- a LH who is deathly tough on LHB, since both Ross and Breslow are neutral or even reverse split types (as is Dana Eveland). So if they do move Mujica, they have an interesting choice between: -- Wright in the MLB pen, Layne in the PawSox pen, Escobar in the PawSox rotation, and -- Layne in the MLB pen, Wright in the PawSox rotation, and Escobar in the PawSox pen I don't think Wright is likely to end up in the MLB bullpen, at least at the start of the season. With Ranaudo traded, Wright is probably the best candidate to be the 6th starter to start the season, with Barnes as the other realistic option (I think Workman is RP-only going forward). I'm not sure if it makes sense to weaken your SP depth to add a guy who, at best, is marginally better than your RP-only alternatives (Layne, Workman, Spruill), so I think Wright stays in the PawSox rotation to start the year.
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Post by jmei on Jan 31, 2015 10:22:43 GMT -5
So Ross is a lefty now? I mean except for being left handed he can't get lefties out so he's really a righty, right? Which means Layne probably says up and Workman and Wright start in Pawtucket. Describing Ross as "can't get lefties out" is a gross exaggeration. He has neutral splits compared to the average reliever, but that just means he can get both righties and lefties out, not that he's useless versus lefties. That's not to mention that, because Ross only has 200ish major league innings, you have to regress to the mean a lot to get his true-talent platoon splits.
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Post by The Town Sports Cards on Jan 31, 2015 10:27:23 GMT -5
I agree that Wright should be the 6th starter and be the first to get a shot if there's an MLB injury, but is Wright even going to start in Pawtucket? They should have Owens, Barnes, Johnson, Rodriguez, and Escobar starting. Does Escobar get bumped to the pen to make room for Wright? Or are the Sox comfortable calling up Wright to start when he's only been a releiver in AAA?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 31, 2015 10:33:17 GMT -5
I'm guessing that Escobar will be in the pen regardless. Same situation as Britton last year, he'll be on his last option.
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Post by 111soxfan111 on Jan 31, 2015 11:38:18 GMT -5
Love this signing. Yes, Ogando might have TJ surgery on the horizon but if he doesn't there's huge upside with that second year of control. $1.5m isn't much to risk for the potential reward.
As far as the pitching logjam goes, seems like we can expect liberal use of the DL in April. If Mujica gets traded I'll be waiting for them to quickly announce Badenhop signing. I'm all for that but can't see another reason to trade him.
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Post by nomar on Jan 31, 2015 12:03:24 GMT -5
Workman, Wright (as LR), and Escobar are all guys I'd take over Breslow. Waste of a roster spot.
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