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Red Sox to sign RHP Alexi Ogando
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Post by m1keyboots on Jan 31, 2015 12:21:11 GMT -5
While I like Mujica, he did a lot of his good work later in the season in lower pressure situations. Doesn't mean he didn't get MLB batters out, and be very efficient, just a penny in the pond. On Ogando, if the sox snatchef him, he must have some juice left and there's something to be said for a power arm from the right side when we only have Taz. Yes I've looked at his splits and k rate etc, but even when he was getting shelled he still flashed low to mid 90's with the power slider.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 31, 2015 19:44:43 GMT -5
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Post by brianthetaoist on Jan 31, 2015 20:38:06 GMT -5
For Workman (or Wright) to make it, assuming health, somebody has to go (no options): Koji Taz Mujica Varvaro Ogando Ross Breslow Ah, mis-counted ... well, that makes it simple: those are the guys that go north, barring the unexpected. Workman goes down to AAA as a reliever (maybe the PawSox closer). Then it may make sense to keep Escobar in the rotation in Pawtucket, with Wright piggybacking somewhere with some planned 3+ inning relief stints to keep him stretched out. Or vice versa, I guess.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 31, 2015 20:43:17 GMT -5
Note that I missed Ross has options but if he's on, I don't see him as bumped to Pawtucket leaving Breslow as the only lefty.
If Eveland and/or Paulino show up looking like their past, we're also going to have to figure something out there. I'm guessing (but don't know) both have opt outs. Hembree, Spruill and Hinojosa are three arms that should be in the majors but there isn't room unless a lot of people come up injured. Eveland could hypothetically bump Ross but that seems unlikely unless we get good Eveland and bad Ross.
ADD: I also don't see Workman as a closer. I think Noe Ramirez will be the PawSox closer unless Celestino puts it all into one shipping container.
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Post by larrycook on Feb 1, 2015 0:15:39 GMT -5
I think the sox were extremely high on Celestino. Hard to pinpoint where they stand now.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Feb 1, 2015 10:01:48 GMT -5
Note that I missed Ross has options but if he's on, I don't see him as bumped to Pawtucket leaving Breslow as the only lefty. If Eveland and/or Paulino show up looking like their past, we're also going to have to figure something out there. I'm guessing (but don't know) both have opt outs. Hembree, Spruill and Hinojosa are three arms that should be in the majors but there isn't room unless a lot of people come up injured. Eveland could hypothetically bump Ross but that seems unlikely unless we get good Eveland and bad Ross. ADD: I also don't see Workman as a closer. I think Noe Ramirez will be the PawSox closer unless Celestino puts it all into one shipping container. Yeah, I knew that about Ross, but I really doubt someone makes the team over him ... and for Workman, I just put him as closer because I think he's the guy in AAA that the Sox want to be most deliberate with his development as a reliever, so putting him in the highest leverage role seems to make sense. But, really isn't a big deal; I could see them just putting him in some other clearly defined role. The problem I see with this staff (and maybe is the reason to think about shipping Mujica if they really believe in Ogando) is that the lack of guys you can really send down and up creates a real lack of flexibility on the team's staff. Ross is really the only guy, so say you need Wright up for a single spot start ... you'd pretty much have to send Ross down for the 10-day period, which I don't know is ideal. It's not the end of the world, but with this rotation (especially the uncertainty of Buchholz and Masterson), I think flexibility may be desirable ...
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 1, 2015 11:10:29 GMT -5
Agreed, I think we were handcuffed all year in 2014 and I'm somewhat surprised Ben did it again.
On the other hand, we're accumulating trade chips at a pace which might give Ben more options than just the usual one year rental suspects. If the Marlins do in fact sign Sheilds, Tim Hudson has already said he'd pitch for them and even though they have Fernandez on the shelf there are quality young arms there. Same situation with the Mets who's strength is starting pitching but they pretty much suck everywhere else. They've been trying to unload one or two of their older starters but aren't finding any takers. New York papers are hinting that Wheeler could be made available for the right outfield/ shortstop package. Ready or not Marrero would be a significant upgrade there and the Mets outfield is atrocious with only a declining Granderson with any hope. The Sox are willing to exceed the cap for a year, eating salary to get a better trade isn't beyond a possibility.
If everyone is healthy, Ben will have a ton of options this spring.I seriously don't think he's done with the opening day roster yet, but health is the key here.There are so many ways this could go, I'd pretty much expect Ben to be able to put together a package based on our excesses. The beauty here is that his back isn't against the wall, he doesn't have to do anything.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 14:40:27 GMT -5
Workman, Wright (as LR), and Escobar are all guys I'd take over Breslow. Waste of a roster spot. Not a fair assessment. Escobar has pitched all of 2 innings in the major leagues and Breslow's on a decent contract that could easily be moved if someone else emerges. Whether it's Breslow, Escobar, Ross or Layne though, isn't the real issue that none of our LH pitchers are going to come close to replicating what Andrew Miller gave us?
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Post by nomar on Feb 1, 2015 17:52:44 GMT -5
Workman, Wright (as LR), and Escobar are all guys I'd take over Breslow. Waste of a roster spot. Not a fair assessment. Escobar has pitched all of 2 innings in the major leagues and Breslow's on a decent contract that could easily be moved if someone else emerges. Whether it's Breslow, Escobar, Ross or Layne though, isn't the real issue that none of our LH pitchers are going to come close to replicating what Andrew Miller gave us? I'd roll the dice with what we've seen from Escobar in the minors as a starter. The only reason I'm hesitant to put him in the bullpen rather than Breslow now is because he's 22 and I think he deserve another shot at starting. There's very little doubt in my mind that he won't end up at least being a better reliever than Breslow (if he doesn't end up a starter). Breslow is trash now. I respect him for his work in 2013, but even then, he never was someone I had much confidence in. Just not that talented of a pitcher. Great guy... just totally unnecessary for us to sign him for 2015.
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Post by moonstone2 on Feb 3, 2015 17:53:07 GMT -5
Not a fair assessment. Escobar has pitched all of 2 innings in the major leagues and Breslow's on a decent contract that could easily be moved if someone else emerges. Whether it's Breslow, Escobar, Ross or Layne though, isn't the real issue that none of our LH pitchers are going to come close to replicating what Andrew Miller gave us? I'd roll the dice with what we've seen from Escobar in the minors as a starter. The only reason I'm hesitant to put him in the bullpen rather than Breslow now is because he's 22 and I think he deserve another shot at starting. There's very little doubt in my mind that he won't end up at least being a better reliever than Breslow (if he doesn't end up a starter). Breslow is trash now. I respect him for his work in 2013, but even then, he never was someone I had much confidence in. Just not that talented of a pitcher. Great guy... just totally unnecessary for us to sign him for 2015. I have talked enough about Breslow but there are very few relievers that who were as successful as he was from 2008-2013. The Red Sox now have three relievers, Breslow, Ogando, and Ross who have the following in common. #1 Past Success in the majors. #2 Terrible 2014 #3 Cheap 2015 salary. #4 Under 35.
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